xbox one or playstation 4?

[randomlove]

PC, who the fuck bothers with consoles except 7-12 year olds? Build a way better PC these days for the price of them monstrosities!

I don't think games like "The last of us" or "God of war" are a 7 yo games You can build a PC at the same price, that will be close in terms of performance (a 400$/€ PC won't perform better than a PS4) but the thing about consoles is exclusives, and if I were to buy a console it would be the PS4 as it can play games at full 1080p and with decent frame rates unlike the XBOne.

I'm a PC guy and I didn't own a console in almost a decade now, but that being said I still believe there is a market for consoles due to exclusives and game library.

With low level api that advantage consoles had over general purpose PCs is gone! So yes, I'm sorrybto say a £450 PC will crush a console. This I did say in my last... More lengthy post which you must have skipped. As I love tech and have done for decades I actually look beyhond what the msm says. I know the true horrors of the state of technology and its ugly and sad. for someone whonloves tech and as been dissapointed for 15 or so years bitcoin space is a fucking revalation! The excellerated growth that will come from this will make the industrial revolution look like childs play!

It's still not gone, Low API like Mantle and (maybe DX12)  is still far from the level of optimization consoles has, They are designed for game first and for most, in the other hand PC are PC to begin with.

A 450£ will be better in some cases than a PS4 while it will not in other the thing is the PS4 will have a more consistent experience and it will not "crush" as you claim also 450£ is way more than the PS4 price.

I can make a 450 system around a r9 280x easy. Absolutely abliterate the ps4. No bells or whistles but I can do it. 20 years in the industry though, should know my stuff.

I've had the unfortunate displeasure of using a xbone 1 and its shocking. So called killer title titan fall looks very little better than 360 titles. And compared to ps4 its a joke. At least ps4 made a gaming console! MS just needs die already! There just copyright IP trolls these days.

Ok I want to see you building a system at the same price as the PS4 with the same IOs (bluray reader and what's not) based on the 280x of course all components has to be new from trusted shops with warranties and not brought from black markets you have 400€/$ 350£ go ahead.

First, What idiot buys blu-rays in this day and age? The idiots that fell for 3D, that who! I have never put a cd/dvd drive in a computer for over a decade now! Jesus! I said 450 meaning ££££££ which is the price of the xbone1 not the PS4 which i did say would be the one i would chose if forced to choice a console (PS4). So please allow me the £450 and i will see what i can do....

FIRST ATTEMPT no seeing where i can save a bit here & there - Overclockers.oc.uk (£521 inc tax)

Powercolor Radeon R9 280X TurboDUO 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card                                      £221.99

AMD Piledriver FX-6 Six Core 6300 Black Edition 3.50GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail                      £79.99

MSI 970A-G46 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard                                                               £57.95

Kingston HyperX Beast 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX24C11T3K2/8X)                   £45.95

Toshiba (7K1000.D) 500GB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA050)  HDD                                      £35.99

EVGA 500W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0500-KR)   EVGA 500W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0500-KR)      £35.99

BitFenix Comrade Midi-Tower - White   BitFenix Comrade Midi-Tower - White                                               £29.99

                                                                                                                                         total         £423.20

                                                                                                                                          tax          £86.99

                                                                                                                                           G.TOTAL £521.94

With a little digging, Finding parts cheaper at different places you can easily get this down to £450. Hell, i don't use cases or pay tax so i'm well within my budget and nearly done it for £350 if you take them away! I said 280X a bit rashly but i stand by my point of it can be done with £450 INCLUDING tax, Im just not going waste my time working it out for you as i got much more productive stuff do with my time. If you want better other components remove the 280X for a 270X which is more than capable of smashing any game in still today and a Kaveri chip in and you will still be under £450 and have the extra ooomph from the kaveri APU graphics which work really well in Xfire tbh with 2133hz+ memory. Anything below that really hurts the APU's performance. Also notice i didnt use shitty parts like Swift power etc etc!

Peace

Not even close :
1-No windows copy included (if it is a gaming PC you are forced to use windows
2-No drives, (yes there are people like me who still buys Games in boxes and collector editions whenever I can) at least I own the copy of the game and can resell it or exchange it later on
3-You talk about your case as it is the general case of everyone, you don't pay tax ? good for you, so you can buy the PS4 without taxes as well in that case it does drive the price down.
4-I never talked about the XBOne, I always said PS4 and all my previous comment are there, also a console will most likely be sitting in the living room and I want to see someone putting a caseless pc in his living room under his TV, (some exception would want to do it) but I doubt anyone who want's to buy a console will consider anything like that, no to mention that he owns already a PC if he wants to buy a console and it doesn't go the other way around
5-Yup APU needs high speed memory that's way the PS4 is using very expensive unified 8GB GDDR5 memory

Of course you won't waste time working it out for me, not only you blow your own 450£ while lacking some important things, your 520£ is more 50% more expensive than the price of a PS4.
Also you are forgetting the whole point of consoles = Exclusives, the guy owns a pc for sure (who doesn't in this day and age) and wants a console for multimedia, and games and consoles has a larger library and games genre ( Coming from a PC gamer)

1. No, You dont need windows to play games and i dont support eugenicists (M$), And most people have a copy of windows already!
2. £5-£10 for a dvd drive then if you must!
3. I don't believe anyone should pay TAX as its theft, plain and simple. I avoid it at every step i possibly can
4. I DID! I said 450£ which is obviously the xbone and not the ps4 @ 350!
5. And?

as i said, Use a 270X and there you go, go buy yourself all the crud you want and its still under £450 and will play ANYTHING better than the PS4 (Quality wise)

Go pack your bags dude, I been building PC's for 25 years + and know whats possible.

[gagalady]

For gaming i suggest PS4. Also Xbox controller is kind of fat and PS4 is more comfortable to hold in my opinion.

[jparsley]

I think those game consoles are a lot stronger than highend pcs.

[Natium]

P4 defo!

[kuroman]

PC, who the fuck bothers with consoles except 7-12 year olds? Build a way better PC these days for the price of them monstrosities!

I don't think games like "The last of us" or "God of war" are a 7 yo games You can build a PC at the same price, that will be close in terms of performance (a 400$/€ PC won't perform better than a PS4) but the thing about consoles is exclusives, and if I were to buy a console it would be the PS4 as it can play games at full 1080p and with decent frame rates unlike the XBOne.

I'm a PC guy and I didn't own a console in almost a decade now, but that being said I still believe there is a market for consoles due to exclusives and game library.

With low level api that advantage consoles had over general purpose PCs is gone! So yes, I'm sorrybto say a £450 PC will crush a console. This I did say in my last... More lengthy post which you must have skipped. As I love tech and have done for decades I actually look beyhond what the msm says. I know the true horrors of the state of technology and its ugly and sad. for someone whonloves tech and as been dissapointed for 15 or so years bitcoin space is a fucking revalation! The excellerated growth that will come from this will make the industrial revolution look like childs play!

It's still not gone, Low API like Mantle and (maybe DX12)  is still far from the level of optimization consoles has, They are designed for game first and for most, in the other hand PC are PC to begin with.

A 450£ will be better in some cases than a PS4 while it will not in other the thing is the PS4 will have a more consistent experience and it will not "crush" as you claim also 450£ is way more than the PS4 price.

I can make a 450 system around a r9 280x easy. Absolutely abliterate the ps4. No bells or whistles but I can do it. 20 years in the industry though, should know my stuff.

I've had the unfortunate displeasure of using a xbone 1 and its shocking. So called killer title titan fall looks very little better than 360 titles. And compared to ps4 its a joke. At least ps4 made a gaming console! MS just needs die already! There just copyright IP trolls these days.

Ok I want to see you building a system at the same price as the PS4 with the same IOs (bluray reader and what's not) based on the 280x of course all components has to be new from trusted shops with warranties and not brought from black markets you have 400€/$ 350£ go ahead.

First, What idiot buys blu-rays in this day and age? The idiots that fell for 3D, that who! I have never put a cd/dvd drive in a computer for over a decade now! Jesus! I said 450 meaning ££££££ which is the price of the xbone1 not the PS4 which i did say would be the one i would chose if forced to choice a console (PS4). So please allow me the £450 and i will see what i can do....

FIRST ATTEMPT no seeing where i can save a bit here & there - Overclockers.oc.uk (£521 inc tax)

Powercolor Radeon R9 280X TurboDUO 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card                                      £221.99

AMD Piledriver FX-6 Six Core 6300 Black Edition 3.50GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail                      £79.99

MSI 970A-G46 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard                                                               £57.95

Kingston HyperX Beast 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX24C11T3K2/8X)                   £45.95

Toshiba (7K1000.D) 500GB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache - OEM (DT01ACA050)  HDD                                      £35.99

EVGA 500W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0500-KR)   EVGA 500W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0500-KR)      £35.99

BitFenix Comrade Midi-Tower - White   BitFenix Comrade Midi-Tower - White                                               £29.99

                                                                                                                                         total         £423.20

                                                                                                                                          tax          £86.99

                                                                                                                                           G.TOTAL £521.94

With a little digging, Finding parts cheaper at different places you can easily get this down to £450. Hell, i don't use cases or pay tax so i'm well within my budget and nearly done it for £350 if you take them away! I said 280X a bit rashly but i stand by my point of it can be done with £450 INCLUDING tax, Im just not going waste my time working it out for you as i got much more productive stuff do with my time. If you want better other components remove the 280X for a 270X which is more than capable of smashing any game in still today and a Kaveri chip in and you will still be under £450 and have the extra ooomph from the kaveri APU graphics which work really well in Xfire tbh with 2133hz+ memory. Anything below that really hurts the APU's performance. Also notice i didnt use shitty parts like Swift power etc etc!

Peace

Not even close :
1-No windows copy included (if it is a gaming PC you are forced to use windows
2-No drives, (yes there are people like me who still buys Games in boxes and collector editions whenever I can) at least I own the copy of the game and can resell it or exchange it later on
3-You talk about your case as it is the general case of everyone, you don't pay tax ? good for you, so you can buy the PS4 without taxes as well in that case it does drive the price down.
4-I never talked about the XBOne, I always said PS4 and all my previous comment are there, also a console will most likely be sitting in the living room and I want to see someone putting a caseless pc in his living room under his TV, (some exception would want to do it) but I doubt anyone who want's to buy a console will consider anything like that, no to mention that he owns already a PC if he wants to buy a console and it doesn't go the other way around
5-Yup APU needs high speed memory that's way the PS4 is using very expensive unified 8GB GDDR5 memory

Of course you won't waste time working it out for me, not only you blow your own 450£ while lacking some important things, your 520£ is more 50% more expensive than the price of a PS4.
Also you are forgetting the whole point of consoles = Exclusives, the guy owns a pc for sure (who doesn't in this day and age) and wants a console for multimedia, and games and consoles has a larger library and games genre ( Coming from a PC gamer)

1. No, You dont need windows to play games and i dont support eugenicists (M$), And most people have a copy of windows already!
2. £5-£10 for a dvd drive then if you must!
3. I don't believe anyone should pay TAX as its theft, plain and simple. I avoid it at every step i possibly can
4. I DID! I said 450£ which is obviously the xbone and not the ps4 @ 350!
5. And?

as i said, Use a 270X and there you go, go buy yourself all the crud you want and its still under £450 and will play ANYTHING better than the PS4 (Quality wise)

Go pack your bags dude, I been building PC's for 25 years + and know whats possible.

1- This alone proves how wrong you are, MOST of PC games are Windows exclusive, Steam is starting to take steps towards linux based OS but games developers are NOT! And no not most of people owns a copy of windows (that they can install on whatever machine), since most people buys their PC, laptops with windows included with the machine (a copy bound to the device that you need to burn on Restoration disks, I mean seriously for someone that's been building PC for 25 years + and been on this domaine you should know this much at least) and if you say otherwise I invite you to prove it.

2-Yes I know it's dirt cheap and even a bluray reader cost no more 30 of your £ but that's not even the point, if you want to make a proper comparison you do it considering what you have on both sides, some brought PS3s and PS4 just for the bluray player to watch movies with the option to game of course

3-Your average joe has no choice but to buy with taxes as VAT unless they have a professional card, but that again goes both way if you want to buy you parts without VAT you can buy the console of your choice without Tax as well so this is not even an argument

4-And I never claimed the XBOne as a good console choice, I've already said that the PS4 is a good value for money compared to the XBOne which is underpowered yet more expensive than the PS4 (well yeah it includes kinect but again I prefer having the choice to buy that later if I'm interested than being forced to live with such a thing)

5-and lol switching from a 280x to a 270x is going to save you around 70£ at most that's not even the price of windows 8 copy from a store and a 270x + an FX6300 will not destroy a PS4 they'll have comparable graphics the PC might have better frame rates in same game (low profile game as the PS4 frame rates is locked to 60 or 30 in general)  but will suffer in games, it's here where console optimization comes in hand. and the console will last for 10 years a PC does not, you'll need to upgrade soon enough especially if it is a mid range PC, and another thing you are forgetting is that both consoles will rely on CLOUD COMPUTING to achieve better performance and better games overall especially when it comes to exclusives (this is one of the reasons, that Sony and MS decided to go for a cheap architecture rather than having going for a very expensive console that outperform current PCs in the short run and selling them at lost (for example the PS3 cost almost double of what Sony was selling it for at the time and it was ridiculously expensive at launch but it did outperform any PC at it price range and for a while)

There is not to back here dude, Not only you can't build a PC better than the PS4 at the same price (something you didn't even attempt to prove so far) you are still denying the whole point of a console, which is exclusive games ! the guy already owns a mid range PC (like the one you want him to build) if not a high end

[randomlove]

Jesus dude, I did that in 5 minutes. If i spent 30 mins to an hour i would do what i said, BEAT ALL CONSOLES WITH £450! I never said i would beat the PS4 price/performance bracket. I absolutely DESTROYED the xbone with a 270X, never mind the 280X system.

And if you bothered to read i recommended a PS4 as well but said get a PC instead. I never noticed he had a PC already, WHy not just buy a 280X, sling it in your comp and pocket the £200+ change? Obviously he doesn't need ANOTHER copy of windows either! See how you put your foot in your own hole there? Your a smuck to buy DVD's and even more of a smuck to buy blu-ray and you deserve what you get for supporting these oligarch companies and copyright/IP trolls. 3D printers will soon change all that bullshit!

Im not arguing with you, It was a throw away comment to begin with but IT IS POSSIBLE! not matter what you think. And in the US it would be even cheaper! But so is the xbone so its all relative. The comment was aimed at the joke that is the xbone, not the PS4 especially, thats is at a good price point but as i said originally. Low level API's will make enough of a difference to change this.

I'm a PC gamer and console pads suck dick! I would never give up keyboard/mouse/keypad for anything.

TBH though, i really don't give a flying fuck what you think haha

[sandk]

They are both excellent choices. You should decide based on
- the systems exclusive titles
- system adoption in your narrow circle of friends (the more friends you can play with the more fun you will have

just my 2c..

[randomlove]

What happens when M$ and SOny go bump in the next few years? They both been losing money for over a decade now and are literally alive by been patent trolls (in the case of M$) and are losing marketshare in every one of the markets they are in. With decentralization big oligarch companies like these will die on the side road as its just unfeasable to operate such HUGE companies in the real world. Its only because of the cabals they get to sit where they do with no opposition. I know this is of topic but there nothing more relivent in this day and age than what i speak of.

I mean, Who pays for the servers once these companies FINALLY die? And before you say they wont, NOTHING LAST FOREVER!!! NOTHING!!!

[kuroman]

Jesus dude, I did that in 5 minutes. If i spent 30 mins to an hour i would do what i said, BEAT ALL CONSOLES WITH £450! I never said i would beat the PS4 price/performance bracket. I absolutely DESTROYED the xbone with a 270X, never mind the 280X system.

And if you bothered to read i recommended a PS4 as well but said get a PC instead. I never noticed he had a PC already, WHy not just buy a 280X, sling it in your comp and pocket the £200+ change? Obviously he doesn't need ANOTHER copy of windows either! See how you put your foot in your own hole there? Your a smuck to buy DVD's and even more of a smuck to buy blu-ray and you deserve what you get for supporting these oligarch companies and copyright/IP trolls. 3D printers will soon change all that bullshit!

Im not arguing with you, It was a throw away comment to begin with but IT IS POSSIBLE! not matter what you think. And in the US it would be even cheaper! But so is the xbone so its all relative. The comment was aimed at the joke that is the xbone, not the PS4 especially, thats is at a good price point but as i said originally. Low level API's will make enough of a difference to change this.

I'm a PC gamer and console pads suck dick! I would never give up keyboard/mouse/keypad for anything.

TBH though, i really don't give a flying fuck what you think haha

Because he wants to play Console exclusives that does not exist in PC, I don't know what don't you get there
I'm a PC Gamer and right now the only games I play cannot be played on a console. but that again doesn't mean I'll discredit console as long as they have huge libraries of exclusive they'll remain relevant to a larger public than PC gaming.

[counter]

I don't think it is fair that I suggest which you should have because I haven't played enough PS4.  I guess it depends on the person and what they are really looking for from the system as a whole.

[randomlove]

Jesus dude, I did that in 5 minutes. If i spent 30 mins to an hour i would do what i said, BEAT ALL CONSOLES WITH £450! I never said i would beat the PS4 price/performance bracket. I absolutely DESTROYED the xbone with a 270X, never mind the 280X system.

And if you bothered to read i recommended a PS4 as well but said get a PC instead. I never noticed he had a PC already, WHy not just buy a 280X, sling it in your comp and pocket the £200+ change? Obviously he doesn't need ANOTHER copy of windows either! See how you put your foot in your own hole there? Your a smuck to buy DVD's and even more of a smuck to buy blu-ray and you deserve what you get for supporting these oligarch companies and copyright/IP trolls. 3D printers will soon change all that bullshit!

Im not arguing with you, It was a throw away comment to begin with but IT IS POSSIBLE! not matter what you think. And in the US it would be even cheaper! But so is the xbone so its all relative. The comment was aimed at the joke that is the xbone, not the PS4 especially, thats is at a good price point but as i said originally. Low level API's will make enough of a difference to change this.

I'm a PC gamer and console pads suck dick! I would never give up keyboard/mouse/keypad for anything.

TBH though, i really don't give a flying fuck what you think haha

Because he wants to play Console exclusives that does not exist in PC, I don't know what don't you get there
I'm a PC Gamer and right now the only games I play cannot be played on a console. but that again doesn't mean I'll discredit console as long as they have huge libraries of exclusive they'll remain relevant to a larger public than PC gaming.

I think we can finally agree..... I didnt know they even had any exclusive titles left tbh, They come out on PC in the end don't they these days? At least the ones worth any salt? I think PS4 as some but M$ don't do they?

[kuroman]

Jesus dude, I did that in 5 minutes. If i spent 30 mins to an hour i would do what i said, BEAT ALL CONSOLES WITH £450! I never said i would beat the PS4 price/performance bracket. I absolutely DESTROYED the xbone with a 270X, never mind the 280X system.

And if you bothered to read i recommended a PS4 as well but said get a PC instead. I never noticed he had a PC already, WHy not just buy a 280X, sling it in your comp and pocket the £200+ change? Obviously he doesn't need ANOTHER copy of windows either! See how you put your foot in your own hole there? Your a smuck to buy DVD's and even more of a smuck to buy blu-ray and you deserve what you get for supporting these oligarch companies and copyright/IP trolls. 3D printers will soon change all that bullshit!

Im not arguing with you, It was a throw away comment to begin with but IT IS POSSIBLE! not matter what you think. And in the US it would be even cheaper! But so is the xbone so its all relative. The comment was aimed at the joke that is the xbone, not the PS4 especially, thats is at a good price point but as i said originally. Low level API's will make enough of a difference to change this.

I'm a PC gamer and console pads suck dick! I would never give up keyboard/mouse/keypad for anything.

TBH though, i really don't give a flying fuck what you think haha

Because he wants to play Console exclusives that does not exist in PC, I don't know what don't you get there
I'm a PC Gamer and right now the only games I play cannot be played on a console. but that again doesn't mean I'll discredit console as long as they have huge libraries of exclusive they'll remain relevant to a larger public than PC gaming.

I think we can finally agree..... I didnt know they even had any exclusive titles left tbh, They come out on PC in the end don't they these days? At least the ones worth any salt? I think PS4 as some but M$ don't do they?

both of them do, but Sony seems to have more exclusive, while MS exclusives are shared with PC (some still 100% exclusives) best games of recent years, like The Last of Us are PS4 exclusives

[ibakgs]

ps4 . some games look better on PS4

[Hazir]

ps4 . some games look better on PS4

You realise that is their marketing bullshit? There is no huge difference between xbox one and PS4. Sure PS4 is faster but not that faster to actually see difference in graphics sure you will see some minor differences if you are a cyborg or sitting in front of your monitor with magnifier.

[AnimeBoy_007]

Simply get a PS4. It has more games than XBOX One. And the Console is worth for the price.

[scryptasicminer]

Final fantasy series can only be played on ps4.

[kuroman]

Final fantasy series can only be played on ps4.

that's not true, it was true at some point (from FF VII to FFXII but FFXIII for example came out on XB360 before PS3(the ps3 version was better at his uncompressed scenes on bluray quality while the xb360 required 25144512145 disks

[drporschef]

By now since majority have said PS4, you`ll go with the best system right?

Not some xbox crap 

[androz]

the same dilemma Sheldon had in the last episode of the big bang theory

yeh Kiki112, i posted the link a couple of days ago but was accidentally removed by moderator.

bizcoinz must see it 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwCiVQ9IqIc


http://www.techtimes.com/articles/5224/20140406/bazinga-xbox-one-vs-ps4-sheldon-cooper-decides.htm

[Richard213]

i will choose playstation 4