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January 05, 2012, 10:38:11 AM
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Wow, that tightened right up.  Still, I take a wider view.

Short term: Up.  I'm a bear but I won't fight momentum.
Mid-term: Down.  The fundamentals suck.
Long-term: The future's made of RevCoins.  Smiley

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January 05, 2012, 11:01:24 AM
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I'm betting its going to drop some time today as people in the US wake up and sell their coins at the delicious prices. Already sold some at 6.2, hopefully i'll be able to buy back in around 5 :p

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January 05, 2012, 11:12:35 AM
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After a large and rapid increase in price it would be natural, almost expected to see quite a few people take profits off the table and dump the price to somewhere in the low to mid $5 range.

For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

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January 05, 2012, 11:22:15 AM
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Essentially: Yay, the crashing is over!  Happy days are here again!

Did the fundamentals change?

I've said that enough times that people are sick of it.  Near as I can tell, No.

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January 05, 2012, 12:56:36 PM
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Did the fundamentals change since june? Hardly. So why couldnt it go up to $30 again?

The reality is that the bitcoin market is extremely shallow. The vast majority of bitcoins are not for sale and are being hoarded and will not be sold almost regardless of price. More important is time frame, they might be sold in 1 or 2 years, again, almost regardless of price.

Of what remains, only a tiny fraction is actually used for commerce, the bulk is speculation. The result is the price for the next few years can go pretty much anywhere, all it takes is speculators speculating what others speculators will do. It could go back to $30 or more, it could collapse to $1. Anyone who thinks he knows where its going is delusional.

That said, it has been reported but I think people may underestimate its significance:
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/money-shiny-new-coins-1.404597

Remittances to Israel alone account for more than $1 billion annually. Add to that the fact Jews dominate gold and diamond trade, and its not hard to see the potential of bitcoin gaining ground there.

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January 05, 2012, 01:23:07 PM
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Whats there religion got to do with it?
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January 05, 2012, 01:30:29 PM
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ty for the info.
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January 05, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
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Whats there religion got to do with it?

That comment was not about religion - but about the country Israel and the fact that more than $1 billion is sent annually there (by whatever current money sending systems) - this is a huge market for bitcoin if you think bitcoin is in this business.
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January 05, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
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Whats there religion got to do with it?

Israel is a Jewish state, so I guess thats got something to do with, wouldnt you agree?

If you meant to ask what judaism has to do with gold and diamond trade; its a cultural and historic thing that goes back centuries, but none of that matter. What does matter is that they are extremely important players in gold and diamond trade across the globe. And to put it euphemistically, not all of that is paid with traditional bank transfers.

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January 05, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
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now what  Grin

6.25 is the average between $5.5 and $7
If you are a responsible bitcoin owner then sell and stabilize it.
If you want to get to $7 because it is "round" number - then buy Smiley
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January 05, 2012, 05:26:14 PM
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January 05, 2012, 05:27:47 PM
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After a large and rapid increase in price it would be natural, almost expected to see quite a few people take profits off the table and dump the price to somewhere in the low to mid $5 range.

For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

indeed. there was e.g. that guy who sold amazon-couposn for about 80% of theire value in bitcoin.

-> that makes bitcoins alot more worthy, cause if you want to buy on amazon, it is alot cheaper to first buy bitcoins and trade them against those coupons for ag 20% gain.

i don't know how many of this coupons he sold, but whenever i saw them, they were pretty high and there was a huge demand for them..so i guess some 10.000$ + ..
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January 05, 2012, 06:27:05 PM
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I am at BitcoinCharts.com, looking at the 1 Month/Hourly MT Gox chart (larger chart version)

It is a thing to behold. 

You will see steady climb from 1st week of December to January 1st. Very steady and gradual and to me most importantly, a very STABLE climb upward.

After the New Year, the pattern has changed dramatically... there have been 2 upward dollar spikes , each in the space of 2-3 days.One from $4.20 to $5.20 and the recent $4.80 to around today's $6.20 mark.

I for one would like to see a steady, trading in range climb, like we had the previous 3 weeks, with the occasional .50-$1 burst upward.

I would love to see it go to the moon like everyone else does, and it may, but I am hesitant to invest again until it gets boring, trading steady for weeks at a time again.



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January 05, 2012, 06:37:44 PM
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After a large and rapid increase in price it would be natural, almost expected to see quite a few people take profits off the table and dump the price to somewhere in the low to mid $5 range.

For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

indeed. there was e.g. that guy who sold amazon-couposn for about 80% of theire value in bitcoin.

-> that makes bitcoins alot more worthy, cause if you want to buy on amazon, it is alot cheaper to first buy bitcoins and trade them against those coupons for ag 20% gain.

i don't know how many of this coupons he sold, but whenever i saw them, they were pretty high and there was a huge demand for them..so i guess some 10.000$ + ..

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January 05, 2012, 06:42:03 PM
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I guess a stable BTC price is not an option.... ??
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January 05, 2012, 06:42:35 PM
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I guess a stable BTC price is not an option.... ??

Not in a market driven by 90% speculation. 

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January 05, 2012, 06:43:31 PM
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After a large and rapid increase in price it would be natural, almost expected to see quite a few people take profits off the table and dump the price to somewhere in the low to mid $5 range.

For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

After a gigantic correction from June prices, it would be natural, almost expected, to see a rally that retraces some of the correction, if not all of it.

For those traders who anticipate lower prices: did the fundamentals change since June?  What's happened to bitcoin to make it fall so far?  Answer: scammers and hackers.  However, I think speculators are beginning to realize that incompetent exchanges, scammers or mybitcoin are not the end of bitcoin, and that the bitcoin technology is sound.  There are many new services since June and media exposure is rising again.

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January 05, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
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only thing that keeps price 'stable' at the moment are flaky mtgox APIs - they freeze reportning data, all btc economy freezes

they should do something about their APIs
mirroring, load balancing, cdn, whatever

they could offer premium real time for monthly subscription and keep the current crappy api reporting free

so many different options and methods to aproach it and make it smooth.

when big waves come, only thing holding us back are mtgox api's  - which will not be impressive in general public view

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their own mtgoxlive is a joke as of late
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January 05, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
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For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

Fundamentals aren't the problem with bitcoin.  It's awareness, which gets better by the day.

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