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January 05, 2012, 06:57:43 PM
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I am at BitcoinCharts.com, looking at the 1 Month/Hourly MT Gox chart (larger chart version)

It is a thing to behold. 

You will see steady climb from 1st week of December to January 1st. Very steady and gradual and to me most importantly, a very STABLE climb upward.

After the New Year, the pattern has changed dramatically... there have been 2 upward dollar spikes , each in the space of 2-3 days.One from $4.20 to $5.20 and the recent $4.80 to around today's $6.20 mark.

I for one would like to see a steady, trading in range climb, like we had the previous 3 weeks, with the occasional .50-$1 burst upward.

I would love to see it go to the moon like everyone else does, and it may, but I am hesitant to invest again until it gets boring, trading steady for weeks at a time again.

This can be viewed as punctuated equilibrium.  Or visualized as someone walking blindfolded down a path, getting pushed by a stranger, and then trying to regain her balance.
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January 05, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
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I guess a stable BTC price is not an option.... ??

Not in a market driven by 90% speculation. 

The price always seems to correct and stabilize, again looking at last months chart.

Guess that the must the other 10% at work ?
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January 05, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
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After a large and rapid increase in price it would be natural, almost expected to see quite a few people take profits off the table and dump the price to somewhere in the low to mid $5 range.

For those traders who anticipate higher prices in the very near future, I would ask why that is so?  What's happened to bitcoin in the last week to make it rise so far and so quickly?  Apart from change in sentiment, was any new product or service announced?  Did the fundamentals change?

indeed. there was e.g. that guy who sold amazon-couposn for about 80% of theire value in bitcoin.

-> that makes bitcoins alot more worthy, cause if you want to buy on amazon, it is alot cheaper to first buy bitcoins and trade them against those coupons for ag 20% gain.

i don't know how many of this coupons he sold, but whenever i saw them, they were pretty high and there was a huge demand for them..so i guess some 10.000$ + ..

Do not buy gift codes (Amazon, iTunes, or otherwise) with bitcoins.  Those gift codes were paid for with stolen credit card numbers, and Amazon will probably kill them before you use them or before whatever you buy is shipped.  Meanwhile, the seller has run off with your bitcoins.

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serious: this were also my first thoughts when it came to this coupons, but after i watched some of them beeing sold and everbody involved beeing very happy, i doubt they are killed or paid for with stolen credit cards^^

there are a lot of possibilities where those come from, to imply serious crime straight away.. well i don't usually do so.
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January 05, 2012, 08:45:16 PM
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Regarding the subject:
I see the price clinging to the asks on low volume as bullish.

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January 06, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
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indeed. there was e.g. that guy who sold amazon-couposn for about 80% of theire value in bitcoin.

-> that makes bitcoins alot more worthy, cause if you want to buy on amazon, it is alot cheaper to first buy bitcoins and trade them against those coupons for ag 20% gain.

i don't know how many of this coupons he sold, but whenever i saw them, they were pretty high and there was a huge demand for them..so i guess some 10.000$ + ..

Do not buy gift codes (Amazon, iTunes, or otherwise) with bitcoins.  Those gift codes were paid for with stolen credit card numbers, and Amazon will probably kill them before you use them or before whatever you buy is shipped.  Meanwhile, the seller has run off with your bitcoins.

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serious: this were also my first thoughts when it came to this coupons, but after i watched some of them beeing sold and everbody involved beeing very happy, i doubt they are killed or paid for with stolen credit cards^^

there are a lot of possibilities where those come from, to imply serious crime straight away.. well i don't usually do so.

The second thought is to doubt those supposed sales and happy customers.  Probably the scammer giving himself good feedback in order to trick people.  Where did you see these gift cards for sale, if I might ask?

It's for this reason that good vendor sites like SR are based on building a "web of trust", so that the accounts of fake customers and scammers are identified and closed before they can rip off too many real customers.  Of course some scammers will always slip through the cracks if they try hard enough, before they are caught.

Same idea with Ebay, but the scam works a little differently there.  A while back, some people were excited to sell bitcoins on Ebay, because they were selling like hotcakes at a 20% premium over the going MtGox price.  They would get with PayPal and then send the customer the bitcoins to the customer's bitcoin address.  Then PayPal reversed their payments (they were bought with stolen paypal accounts or stolen cc's), and they were out their bitcoins.  Now if you see bitcoins for sale on Ebay, its usually as BitBills or something which gets physically shipped.

You have to be on your guard with irreversible transactions like bitcoin (also international wire transfers and western union).  Its the critical ingredient in all the common scams (craigslist scams, nigerian emails, etc.).

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January 06, 2012, 04:10:57 PM
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only thing that keeps price 'stable' at the moment are flaky mtgox APIs - they freeze reportning data, all btc economy freezes

they should do something about their APIs
mirroring, load balancing, cdn, whatever

they could offer premium real time for monthly subscription and keep the current crappy api reporting free

so many different options and methods to aproach it and make it smooth.

when big waves come, only thing holding us back are mtgox api's  - which will not be impressive in general public view

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their own mtgoxlive is a joke as of late

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is there a better charting site out there?  I understand the lag is going to originate with the gox data...but being able to zoom and scroll like I want would be nice, something like netdania?

http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/
http://www.btccharts.com/

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January 06, 2012, 05:34:57 PM
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only thing that keeps price 'stable' at the moment are flaky mtgox APIs - they freeze reportning data, all btc economy freezes

they should do something about their APIs
mirroring, load balancing, cdn, whatever

they could offer premium real time for monthly subscription and keep the current crappy api reporting free

so many different options and methods to aproach it and make it smooth.

when big waves come, only thing holding us back are mtgox api's  - which will not be impressive in general public view

 Angry

their own mtgoxlive is a joke as of late

+1

is there a better charting site out there?  I understand the lag is going to originate with the gox data...but being able to zoom and scroll like I want would be nice, something like netdania?

http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/
http://www.btccharts.com/

pulling from the same API, all of these services at best are lagging behind if not frozen completely during trading peak times like now
appreciate for trying to help though
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January 06, 2012, 05:40:29 PM
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only thing that keeps price 'stable' at the moment are flaky mtgox APIs - they freeze reportning data, all btc economy freezes

they should do something about their APIs
mirroring, load balancing, cdn, whatever

they could offer premium real time for monthly subscription and keep the current crappy api reporting free

so many different options and methods to aproach it and make it smooth.

when big waves come, only thing holding us back are mtgox api's  - which will not be impressive in general public view

 Angry

their own mtgoxlive is a joke as of late
I just wanted to +1 this.  Their API/socketio is extremely unreliable and it forces me to stop trading because I have no data in front of me.
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January 06, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
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Yeah just getting it out there since he asked, source of the problem still needs to be fixed. 

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January 06, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
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th api is working Smiley

do you know if there are any sites using their api to watch live order stream?
although once TH faces growing traffic pulling their API's, most likely it would cause the same problem, but for the time being i may give TH a try if i won't have to code my own gui to their live data feeds
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January 09, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
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now what  Grin


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small selloff last night broke out of the ascending triangle, woke up to big sellof to >$6

(of course the chart is outdated but the quote totally applies)

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