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June 06, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
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One idea is to get tourists to believe the benefit of bringing bitcoin to Bali. Maybe you could dangle prizes for travelers to write blog about how they spend their time in Bali and using Bitcoin. They must write the blog on well-known travel blogs and social media.

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One idea is to get tourists to believe the benefit of bringing bitcoin to Bali. Maybe you could dangle prizes for travelers to write blog about how they spend their time in Bali and using Bitcoin. They must write the blog on well-known travel blogs and social media.



It great idea !

Thank you St-ly_T , it awesome!

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June 19, 2014, 04:16:25 AM
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Hi Guys.

We have already done installion of Bitcoin's Billboard in Bali. I think this also the first Bitcoin's billboard for Indonesia.  It will attract attention of local and international tourists that bypass this main road. I hope this will help spread the Bitcoin trend

Other big thing will come from this BitIslands Project ! Stay Tune !


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June 20, 2014, 01:43:45 AM
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We just meet with tax advisor from government in Indonesia. It seems like tax in here quietly friendly with Bitcoin with current existing regulation. Tax will be based on fee (as per our income). It will be 1% of our fee income


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June 20, 2014, 06:36:01 AM
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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?
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June 20, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.

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June 21, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.


Hi Thiec

Please read in this article, I believe you are Indonesian since you can understand our regulation
http://indonesia.bitcoin.co.id/panduan-perpajakan-bitcoin-di-indonesia/

That link has article about guidance to pay tax for miner, exchanger, and even ecommerce that use bitcoin

I hope it helps !

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June 21, 2014, 04:41:51 PM
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Tabra: Now Accepting Bitcoin




Tabra combines sacred symbols with semi-precious stones, collection beads, and ancient materials to create gypsy earrings, tribal pendants, primitive talismans, exotic bracelets, and necklaces – many of her pieces are one-of-a-kind or limited editions. Whether mystical and spiritual symbols, tribal motifs, shaman influenced combinations or evil eye talismans, women worldwide find Tabra’s designs both beautiful and meaningful.

Many women even say they feel more powerful when wearing Tabra’s jewelry.

Yes, Tabra accepts Bitcoin

Address : Hanoman Street no 17 Ubud
Island : Bali, Indonesia
Website : www.Tabra.com

Photo : http://bitislands.com/tabra-international

We are start converting merchant currently in Bali. More merchant will join us soon !

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June 21, 2014, 06:48:20 PM
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We just create subreddit for this BitIslands Project

Support us through reddit Smiley

http://www.reddit.com/r/bitislands/

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Specialist in the design and building of WordPress and Squarespace websites. Services include creating custom webapps using AngularJS. Golightly+ provides website maintenance services as well as webhosting. Andrew is the founder of Golightly+ and is currently residing in Ubud, Bali. His portfolio can be seen on his website.

Yes, Golightly+ accepts Bitcoin

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eheiiii
ngebut trus nih pak oscar Cheesy

hope you guys can make Bali a big basecamp for bitcoiners Cheesy

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Great idea...smashing travellers for six!

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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.


I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.
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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.


I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.
as long as "profit" still sticked, it doesnt matter (the 1%)
 Cheesy
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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.


Hi Thiec

Please read in this article, I believe you are Indonesian since you can understand our regulation
http://indonesia.bitcoin.co.id/panduan-perpajakan-bitcoin-di-indonesia/

That link has article about guidance to pay tax for miner, exchanger, and even ecommerce that use bitcoin

I hope it helps !

Thanks for the article. I just finished read it and here my opinion.
(I am not tax official, and i share my opinion and my knowledge in tax fields base of Indonesia Tax Rule)

1. Miner
I am totally agree that any income from miner are object to income tax (PPh) and not object to VAT (PPN).

2. Exchanger
I also agree that exchanger that stand as mediator for buyer and seller earn fee and the fee are object to income tax, and since the new regulation (PP No.46/2013) if your earning fee are lower than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs IN A YEAR than your fee are object to 1% income tax (final without deduction from cost), and if your earning fee are higher than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs than your fee are object to Income Tax Law No.36/2008 Act 17 which currently rate is 25% after you deduct the cost to generate your earning. (You may read act 31E for tax reduction criteria)

I am not complete agree about VAT, since your only mediator, your sale are not count as VAT's object but your fees are. And if like above, there are certain criteria, if you pass 4,8 Billions mark than you become VAT's object and if not, you dont. So, the different is the article said sales, i am said fee

3. Commerce
Always use PP No.46/2013 which make 4,8 Billions rupiahs a year as a mark for tax income calculation
Below 4,8 Billions, all sales are object to 1% income tax (whatever you make a profit sales or not)
Above 4,8 Billions, all sales can be deducted to the cost (cogs, expenses ect) and the margin are object to 25% income tax
Connection with the article, the poster is not use this regulation, his opinion is in general and not consider to government regulations No.46/2013

VAT also have 4,8 Billions as turning point base of Finance Ministers Regulation No.197/PMK.03/2013, start to apply Jan 1st, 2014

4. Investment
Agree with the article. The capital gain may become object of income tax. And VAT could be declare if transaction above 4,8 Billions

I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.

Not exactly. My post before are prefer to merchants and they aren'tt exchanger, they are buying and selling goods.

Exchanger not really buy or sell btc, they only market place as you said like a broker. The real transaction occurred between buyer and seller, and exchanger are the middle man only. So "the sales" are not object to 1% regulation

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boleh di deketin Cheesy, jgn asik bitcoin yg di pacarin  Cheesy

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delightful update Smiley
your fee is in IDR, and what they taxed is this IDR.. so the tax is not for BTC but for IDR, is this right?
if I'm a merchant, and I want my customer able to pay using BTC, how about the tax? is the tax will be calculated based on the BTC value in IDR when the transaction happen? or how?

The tax rate is 1% base of government regulations number 46 year 2013 (PP No.46/2013)

Tax will be calculate from your income (sales) in IDR, so if you sale in BTC than it will base of BTC value in IDR like you said.

I dont know why does funchiestz said that the tax charge only for fee cause the rule is clear. The object of 1% is INCOME not the MARGIN (FEE).

Margin have another rule base of tax law no.36/2008 article 17 in certain criteria.


Hi Thiec

Please read in this article, I believe you are Indonesian since you can understand our regulation
http://indonesia.bitcoin.co.id/panduan-perpajakan-bitcoin-di-indonesia/

That link has article about guidance to pay tax for miner, exchanger, and even ecommerce that use bitcoin

I hope it helps !

Thanks for the article. I just finished read it and here my opinion.
(I am not tax official, and i share my opinion and my knowledge in tax fields base of Indonesia Tax Rule)

1. Miner
I am totally agree that any income from miner are object to income tax (PPh) and not object to VAT (PPN).

2. Exchanger
I also agree that exchanger that stand as mediator for buyer and seller earn fee and the fee are object to income tax, and since the new regulation (PP No.46/2013) if your earning fee are lower than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs IN A YEAR than your fee are object to 1% income tax (final without deduction from cost), and if your earning fee are higher than 4,8 Billions Rupiahs than your fee are object to Income Tax Law No.36/2008 Act 17 which currently rate is 25% after you deduct the cost to generate your earning. (You may read act 31E for tax reduction criteria)

I am not complete agree about VAT, since your only mediator, your sale are not count as VAT's object but your fees are. And if like above, there are certain criteria, if you pass 4,8 Billions mark than you become VAT's object and if not, you dont. So, the different is the article said sales, i am said fee

3. Commerce
Always use PP No.46/2013 which make 4,8 Billions rupiahs a year as a mark for tax income calculation
Below 4,8 Billions, all sales are object to 1% income tax (whatever you make a profit sales or not)
Above 4,8 Billions, all sales can be deducted to the cost (cogs, expenses ect) and the margin are object to 25% income tax
Connection with the article, the poster is not use this regulation, his opinion is in general and not consider to government regulations No.46/2013

VAT also have 4,8 Billions as turning point base of Finance Ministers Regulation No.197/PMK.03/2013, start to apply Jan 1st, 2014

4. Investment
Agree with the article. The capital gain may become object of income tax. And VAT could be declare if transaction above 4,8 Billions

I think it is very clear. Exchange income is from transaction fee. Exchange position is just like a property agent, or stock broker. The total amount of transaction is income for the bitcoin sellers, not for the exchange. For bitcoin sellers they also require to declare income for selling their bitcoin base of PP no. 46, which means they need to pay 1% of tax from total amount of rupiah they received.

Not exactly. My post before are prefer to merchants and they aren'tt exchanger, they are buying and selling goods.

Exchanger not really buy or sell btc, they only market place as you said like a broker. The real transaction occurred between buyer and seller, and exchanger are the middle man only. So "the sales" are not object to 1% regulation

Just want to clarify: "Capital gain may become object of income tax", what Indonesian tax regulation state that ?

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another bitcoin island wanna be
http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/23/jersey-bitcoin-island/ Smiley
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