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April 17, 2014, 09:07:30 AM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.

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April 17, 2014, 09:43:06 AM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

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April 17, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics. 

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.





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April 17, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
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Another brainwashed apologist for the Federal Reserve scam...

Not one red cent of the income tax goes to those things other then interest on the debt... the fraudulent debt created by design to enslave you.

Ehm, I think you got it wrong. On every paycheck that I receive, sums are withdrawn for social security, medicare, etc.
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April 17, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics. 

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
So, what exactly is the difference between you guys and a company like Google, that also have it's ways to avoid taxes? You "anarchists" do the same as this "bad capitalists".
Your "civil disobedience" just benefits yourself, so don't act like some kind of freedom fighter. You are not going to change this "corrupt & evil systems". You are just making it worse for people who can't use the same tricks as you.
Spread as much BS as you want, but as long as you can't show, how you make the world a better place for other people than you, you are just an ego manic coward.

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April 17, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics.  

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
So, what exactly is the difference between you guys and a company like Google, that also have it's ways to avoid taxes? You "anarchists" do the same as this "bad capitalists".
Your "civil disobedience" just benefits yourself, so don't act like some kind of freedom fighter. You are not going to change this "corrupt & evil systems". You are just making it worse for people who can't use the same tricks as you.
Spread as much BS as you want, but as long as you can't show, how you make the world a better place for other people than you, you are just an ego manic coward.


Spoken like a true government shill.  

If you believe in & support what that system is doing, go ahead...send them your wealth.  Hell, send them double if you feel it benefits the world so much.

But.. If you send in that check out of fear of what might happen if you didn't, then who's the coward!

Show me one benefit the Federal Reserve scam has done for the world.

Nothing but endless wars, torture, mayhem... and the economic raping of the true value producers of the world have resulted from that system.

How do I & others who refuse to support that system benefit the world?  If the answer to that isn't painfully obvious then you're brainwashed beyond hope.  

And for the record, since the corporate tax only goes to fund the military industrial establishment, I fully support google, apple, & any other company doing absolutely everything in their power to avoid enabling that monster too.

Any government "benefit" any American receives does not come from the illegal & immoral income tax & the Federal Reserve scam that is behind it.  Your government's own Grace commission proved that.


You government shills gotta get more creative.  You're using the oldest tactics in the book.  Nobody but the mindless lemmings buys those tired tactics.








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April 17, 2014, 04:08:34 PM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics.  

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
So, what exactly is the difference between you guys and a company like Google, that also have it's ways to avoid taxes? You "anarchists" do the same as this "bad capitalists".
Your "civil disobedience" just benefits yourself, so don't act like some kind of freedom fighter. You are not going to change this "corrupt & evil systems". You are just making it worse for people who can't use the same tricks as you.
Spread as much BS as you want, but as long as you can't show, how you make the world a better place for other people than you, you are just an ego manic coward.


Spoken like a true government shill.  

If you believe in & support what that system is doing, go ahead...send them your wealth.  Hell, send them double if you feel it benefits the world so much.

But.. If you send in that check out of fear of what might happen if you didn't, then who's the coward!

Show me one benefit the Federal Reserve scam has done for the world.

Nothing but endless wars, torture, mayhem... and the economic raping of the true value producers of the world have resulted from that system.

How do I & others who refuse to support that system benefit the world?  If the answer to that isn't painfully obvious then you're brainwashed beyond hope.  

And for the record, since the corporate tax only goes to fund the military industrial establishment, I fully support google, apple, & any other company doing absolutely everything in their power to avoid enabling that monster too.

Any government "benefit" any American receives does not come from the illegal & immoral income tax & the Federal Reserve scam that is behind it.  Your government's own Grace commission proved that.


You government shills gotta get more creative.  You're using the oldest tactics in the book.  Nobody but the mindless lemmings buys those tired tactics anymore.

Do you really think, that your government is spending less on wars, when you don't pay taxes? They don't. They are spending less on schools, infrastructure, etc.
Btw. I am not an US-citizen and I am not with any government.


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April 17, 2014, 04:12:39 PM
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We all have our freewill.  And with freewill comes the responsibility to accept the consequences of all freewill choices. Nobody has the right to violate anyone's freewill.  Do so & you most certainly should go to prison.

Your logic trying to paint true free men/women as criminals could not be more flawed & idiotic.

Only courageous humans who refuse to answer to anyone but their own conscience, always respecting the freewill of others, & the Golden Rule are truly free.  (The exact opposite of any criminal.)
Freewill is god given at time of birth, it is called free agency in the bible.
Freedom is not equal to freewill.

Freedom is something those who I am descended came here for, we don't have it.
Laws are not just to protect others, not in this country or any other.
Laws supress freedom in genral. For example the government prohibits certain harmful substances from being used while allowing other equally as harmful substances. I found a site that lists quite a few unconstitutional laws.

Sage you clearly are having your time of the month based off your posts here.
You are ignored, have a nice life.
Bottom line, Free agency is God given, Freedom is a lack of human rights violating laws which no country currently has.
According to your logic even slaves have/had freedom, They have free will. They can refuse to work and "accept the consequences," they can run away and "accept the consequences."
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April 17, 2014, 04:18:55 PM
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics.  

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
So, what exactly is the difference between you guys and a company like Google, that also have it's ways to avoid taxes? You "anarchists" do the same as this "bad capitalists".
Your "civil disobedience" just benefits yourself, so don't act like some kind of freedom fighter. You are not going to change this "corrupt & evil systems". You are just making it worse for people who can't use the same tricks as you.
Spread as much BS as you want, but as long as you can't show, how you make the world a better place for other people than you, you are just an ego manic coward.


Spoken like a true government shill.  

If you believe in & support what that system is doing, go ahead...send them your wealth.  Hell, send them double if you feel it benefits the world so much.

But.. If you send in that check out of fear of what might happen if you didn't, then who's the coward!

Show me one benefit the Federal Reserve scam has done for the world.

Nothing but endless wars, torture, mayhem... and the economic raping of the true value producers of the world have resulted from that system.

How do I & others who refuse to support that system benefit the world?  If the answer to that isn't painfully obvious then you're brainwashed beyond hope.  

And for the record, since the corporate tax only goes to fund the military industrial establishment, I fully support google, apple, & any other company doing absolutely everything in their power to avoid enabling that monster too.

Any government "benefit" any American receives does not come from the illegal & immoral income tax & the Federal Reserve scam that is behind it.  Your government's own Grace commission proved that.


You government shills gotta get more creative.  You're using the oldest tactics in the book.  Nobody but the mindless lemmings buys those tired tactics anymore.

Do you really think, that your government is spending less on wars, when you don't pay taxes? They don't. They are spending less on schools, infrastructure, etc.
Btw. I am not an US-citizen and I am not with any government.



Schools are paid for by property taxes.

Roads are paid for by gas taxes.

Not one red cent of the income tax goes to benefit any Americain in any way.  100% goes back into the hands of the Banksters, where it issued to further foment wars that they profit from.

And the only way they can get away with it is because they have so many ignorant lemmings like you to promote the myths you're espousing.
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It should be clear for everybody with some brain, that just not paying taxes wouldn't change anything, shouldn't it?

Yes, because tax revolts are so un-American and never achieve anything ....

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The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act because they believed that it violated their rights as Englishmen to "No taxation without representation," that is, be taxed only by their own elected representatives and not by a British parliament in which they were not represented. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain.

The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. Parliament responded in 1774 with the Coercive Acts, or Intolerable Acts, which, among other provisions, ended local self-government in Massachusetts and closed Boston's commerce. Colonists up and down the Thirteen Colonies in turn responded to the Coercive Acts with additional acts of protest, and by convening the First Continental Congress, which petitioned the British monarch for repeal of the acts and coordinated colonial resistance to them. The crisis escalated, and the American Revolutionary War began near Boston in 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

It is ALWAYS about the money you fools, taxes are at the root of the evil of a coercive state. Only criminals steal under the colour of threat of violence.
The difference is, that you guys don't officially declare, that you stop paying taxes. You are not a resistance movement, you are just some cowards hiding in the shadow and hope to don't get caught.
Comparing yourself to real revolutionaries just shows, that you have no idea, what you are talking about.

You don't get it Turvarya.... Crypto currencies have changed the game.

There is no need to "resist" anything.   Simply ignore them & conduct business outside of that corrupt system... in spite of their threats & intimidation tactics.  

Good luck 3 letter agencies finding & seizing crypto assets!  They are powerless against this new paradigm.  Fear is the only card they have left to keep the spineless lemmings compliant.  Soon enough the lemmings too will realize the game has changed.

Non-violent civil disobedience has always been the most effective agent of change against corrupt & evil systems... and always takes courage.  Calling us cowards proves that YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
So, what exactly is the difference between you guys and a company like Google, that also have it's ways to avoid taxes? You "anarchists" do the same as this "bad capitalists".
Your "civil disobedience" just benefits yourself, so don't act like some kind of freedom fighter. You are not going to change this "corrupt & evil systems". You are just making it worse for people who can't use the same tricks as you.
Spread as much BS as you want, but as long as you can't show, how you make the world a better place for other people than you, you are just an ego manic coward.


Spoken like a true government shill.  

If you believe in & support what that system is doing, go ahead...send them your wealth.  Hell, send them double if you feel it benefits the world so much.

But.. If you send in that check out of fear of what might happen if you didn't, then who's the coward!

Show me one benefit the Federal Reserve scam has done for the world.

Nothing but endless wars, torture, mayhem... and the economic raping of the true value producers of the world have resulted from that system.

How do I & others who refuse to support that system benefit the world?  If the answer to that isn't painfully obvious then you're brainwashed beyond hope.  

And for the record, since the corporate tax only goes to fund the military industrial establishment, I fully support google, apple, & any other company doing absolutely everything in their power to avoid enabling that monster too.

Any government "benefit" any American receives does not come from the illegal & immoral income tax & the Federal Reserve scam that is behind it.  Your government's own Grace commission proved that.


You government shills gotta get more creative.  You're using the oldest tactics in the book.  Nobody but the mindless lemmings buys those tired tactics anymore.

Do you really think, that your government is spending less on wars, when you don't pay taxes? They don't. They are spending less on schools, infrastructure, etc.
Btw. I am not an US-citizen and I am not with any government.



Schools are paid for by property taxes.

Roads are paid for by gas taxes.

Not one red cent of the income tax goes to benefit any Americain in any way.  100% goes back into the hands of the Banksters, where it issued to further foment wars that they profit from.

And the only way they can get away with it is because they have so many ignorant lemmings like you to promote the myths you're espousing.
Every penny from the property taxes goes to Schools? Every penny from the gas taxes goes to Roads? There is no other money source for Schools and no other source for Roads?
That is one of the most stupid things, I have ever heard. In Austria we have the saying: Geld hat kein Mascherl. Money doesn't have a bow tie. That means you can't trace every penny. If they don't get enough money with income taxes, they just take it from the gas or property taxes.

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Don't drop the soap  Grin
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If they don't get enough money with income taxes, they just take it from the gas or property taxes.

Nope, They take it from new debt.
The combined amount of taxes is far less than the U.S. expenses.
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April 17, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
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Seven pages in and no one has proven that I owe the IRS anything for capital gains.

That's because they have no idea what private keys I possess.

What more proof do you need that this ridiculous IRS ruling is completely without teeth??

I'm grumpy!!
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April 17, 2014, 04:59:39 PM
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If they don't get enough money with income taxes, they just take it from the gas or property taxes.

Nope, They take it from new debt.
The combined amount of taxes is far less than the U.S. expenses.
I know, that my government takes it from the schools(and we also have increasing debts). I can't believe, that US-government doesn't do the same thing.

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April 17, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
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Seven pages in and no one has proven that I owe the IRS anything for capital gains.

That's because they have no idea what private keys I possess.

You have to tell us something more to give you an answer. Tell us something about the way you get your income and the way you spend your money. For example, are you paid for your work in BTC? How do you convert BTC in USD for anything you need to pay that does not accept BTC? How do you pay rent, electricity, internet, etc?

There may be a loophole in your process.

For example, let's say you provide web design services. I hire you and I pay you with BTC. Your part of the transaction is transparent to IRS but I will deduct your payment to the IRS as my business' expenses. If I am audited, I will tell the IRS that I paid you in BTC and the IRS will ask you where those BTC are and it's your burden to give them this info.

Another example. You have a bunch of BTC but you have to pay your rent in USD. You need to convert those BTC in USD. Of course, if you use an exchange platform such as Coinbase, they will get you. Maybe you will get cash selling BTC to someone for USD. That someone may be another loophole for you. Also, you pay rent and your landlord puts that rent in his income. If he is audited, he will show IRS that he received cash from you and IRS will then ask you where you got that cash from.

In summary, as long as your whole life is not in BTC, you may get caught because of third parties you have interacted with.
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April 17, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
Last edit: April 17, 2014, 07:07:31 PM by 7Priest7
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he will show IRS that he received cash from you and IRS will then ask you where you got that cash from.
A family member.
A gift from a friend.
Found it on the street.
Some random person on the street handed it to him.
In summary, as long as your whole life is not in BTC, you may get caught because of third parties you have interacted with.

OBEY!!!
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April 17, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
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A family member.
A gift from a friend.
Found it on the street.
Some random person on the street handed it to him.

Ah ah, sure, and the IRS will say "Oh, ok, fine, we understand". I want to see him trying to explain where he gets monthly cash to pay for rent  Smiley

Anyhow, I don't wish anything bad to happen to our fellow Bitcoin lover (we are all Bitcoin lovers, let's remember that). It's just that I think that as long as your whole payment history is not in BTC, the IRS can still catch you.
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April 17, 2014, 07:50:10 PM
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A family member.
A gift from a friend.
Found it on the street.
Some random person on the street handed it to him.

Ah ah, sure, and the IRS will say "Oh, ok, fine, we understand". I want to see him trying to explain where he gets monthly cash to pay for rent  Smiley

Anyhow, I don't wish anything bad to happen to our fellow Bitcoin lover (we are all Bitcoin lovers, let's remember that). It's just that I think that as long as your whole payment history is not in BTC, the IRS can still catch you.

You work for the IRS botolo86?
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April 17, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
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Anyhow, I don't wish anything bad to happen to our fellow Bitcoin lover (we are all Bitcoin lovers, let's remember that). It's just that I think that as long as your whole payment history is not in BTC, the IRS can still catch you.
Absence of evidence, is not evidence of abstinence, true.

That said, A person can say whatever they want, unless the I.R.S. has some proof otherwise they either have to investigate further or let it go.
A friend/family member/stranger who would give a person rent month after month is very rare, the rarity of it does not make it unfathomable.
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April 17, 2014, 11:34:49 PM
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I hope you get caught
I hope the exact opposite. I watched Robin Hood the other day (the Disney version) ...

You do realize the I.R.S. is more like Robin Hood in this situation.

As much as I dislike the government/I.R.S., the OP is probably middle to upper class and if he/she paid the taxes it would be used in part for Social Security which goes to the elderly and disabled.
Those who are not disabled/elderly and simply choose not to work probably don't deserve handouts.

If he/she is dodging taxes he/she probably isn't giving anything to any charity.
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