Colonizing Mars

[hilariousandco]

I think most of the participants haven't full realized that they are going on a one way ticket. Meaning they will stay there for the rest of their lives. For the first two years there will be only 4 people on the base as well. Someone of them is definitely going to go nuts and kill everyone up there...

My main concern about the Mars One mission is just that. I think they may have a real lord of the flies situation once a small handful of people get up there, and start to realize there is no practical way for anyone to restrain them from doing whatever they damn well please. I think a starter colony should be a much larger group to help mitigate this, but then it gets prohibitively expensive...

There are some groups that do "Mars" training by having people live in special facilities in desert/tundra regions and a large part of the rationale behind it is to explore the psychological effects of isolation, being trapped indoors for extended periods of time, etc.

I'm sure if they don't already realise they're not coming back they will very soon. I also think it wont work. People can go insane quite quickly in space and loose their shit.

You mean get space dementia? I'm sure once homesickess kicks in they'll freak the fuck out, but like I said in another thread about this I very much doubt this will happen for various reasons.

This guy doesn't do rational arguments nor does he know the difference between fact and opinion. See this post and the following ones after it for mindblowing ignorance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147

The ignorance comes from those that doesn't argue against facts and start insulting others on other threads, and it's pretty clear in which category you are right now

You don't deal in facts, just opinion. And there are no insults. Just truths. You're a moron because of your moronic twisted logic and your failure to grasp or accept any facts that don't fit your arguments.  Agnostics or people who don't flat out deny god are not automatically religious or theists and cannot be put on a list of religious people, but you seem to think they are, plus you also don't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism, which is a another fact you wont accept.

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[Lauda]

Isn't there a mission planned for '16 or something?

[kuroman]

You don't deal in facts, just opinion. And there are no insults. Just truths. You're a moron because of your moronic twisted logic and your failure to grasp or accept any facts that don't fit your arguments.  Agnostics or people who don't flat out deny god are not automatically religious or theists and cannot be put on a list of religious people, but you seem to think they are, plus you also don't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism, which is a another fact you wont accept.

There is nothing twisted about my logic, as I presented facts not opinions, if you have something to say please reply in the correct thread and quote the correct reply instead of spreading insults and Fud in unrelated topics.

So back to Mars :

Isn't there a mission planned for '16 or something?

yes there is a mission called Insight between NASA and CNES (French space agency) and it is to study Mars seismology mainly

[platorin]

It's a long way to colonize Mars.

[Lauda]

You don't deal in facts, just opinion. And there are no insults. Just truths. You're a moron because of your moronic twisted logic and your failure to grasp or accept any facts that don't fit your arguments.  Agnostics or people who don't flat out deny god are not automatically religious or theists and cannot be put on a list of religious people, but you seem to think they are, plus you also don't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism, which is a another fact you wont accept.

There is nothing twisted about my logic, as I presented facts not opinions, if you have something to say please reply in the correct thread and quote the correct reply instead of spreading insults and Fud in unrelated topics.

So back to Mars :

Isn't there a mission planned for '16 or something?

yes there is a mission called Insight between NASA and CNES (French space agency) and it is to study Mars seismology mainly

I meant about sending people up there.

[hilariousandco]

You don't deal in facts, just opinion. And there are no insults. Just truths. You're a moron because of your moronic twisted logic and your failure to grasp or accept any facts that don't fit your arguments.  Agnostics or people who don't flat out deny god are not automatically religious or theists and cannot be put on a list of religious people, but you seem to think they are, plus you also don't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism, which is a another fact you wont accept.

There is nothing twisted about my logic, as I presented facts not opinions, if you have something to say please reply in the correct thread and quote the correct reply instead of spreading insults and Fud in unrelated topics.

Calling three non-religious agnostic scientists religious is not a fact. You thinking Sagan saying atheism is stupid does not make him religious especially when you took the quote out of context hence twisting logic. You not being able to comprehend the meaning in spinoza's god is a fact. Einstein being an ethnic Jew does not make him religious.He wasn't. That's a fact. None of your claims are facts but your opinion based on sheer ignorance and denial and they're all wrong. The only person that spreads fud is you.

[kuroman]

You don't deal in facts, just opinion. And there are no insults. Just truths. You're a moron because of your moronic twisted logic and your failure to grasp or accept any facts that don't fit your arguments.  Agnostics or people who don't flat out deny god are not automatically religious or theists and cannot be put on a list of religious people, but you seem to think they are, plus you also don't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism, which is a another fact you wont accept.

There is nothing twisted about my logic, as I presented facts not opinions, if you have something to say please reply in the correct thread and quote the correct reply instead of spreading insults and Fud in unrelated topics.

So back to Mars :

Isn't there a mission planned for '16 or something?

yes there is a mission called Insight between NASA and CNES (French space agency) and it is to study Mars seismology mainly

I meant about sending people up there.

Sadly no, for now the best we can do is go 300-400Km up to the ISS (for reference if you take one of those fancy gloves you find on old desks if the globe is 20cm diameter the ISS would be less than half a centimeter away from the surface....)

Edit : In the same perspective if earth is 20 cm in diameter, Mars would be approximatly at it's closest distance 10Km away and 660Km at the farthest distance

Calling three non-religious agnostic scientists religious is not a fact. You thinking Sagan saying atheism is stupid does not make him religious especially when you took the quote out of context hence twisting logic. You not being able to comprehend the meaning in spinoza's god is a fact. Einstein being an ethnic Jew does not make him religious.He wasn't. That's a fact. None of your claims are facts but your opinion based on sheer ignorance and denial and they're all wrong. The only person that spreads fud is you.

What's preventing you from replying to me on the correct topic we were discussing this on? If I recall correctly you didn't reply to me there, so how about doing it, instead of being off topic here, I'll be more than glad to reply to anything you have to say there, so stop polluting this thread with insults and fud. Facts were presented there, and I'm still waiting for your reply there, this topic is about Mars so lets keep it that, if you want to argue about anything Mars related I said feel free to do and I'll be more than glad to reply to you.

[Lauda]

I meant about sending people up there.

Sadly no, for now the best we can do is go 300-400Km up to the ISS (for reference if you take one of those fancy gloves you find on old desks if the globe is 30cm diameter the ISS would be less than half a centimeter away from the surface....)

I was way mistaken in the year but here you go:
http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap
This is planned.

[kuroman]

I meant about sending people up there.

Sadly no, for now the best we can do is go 300-400Km up to the ISS (for reference if you take one of those fancy gloves you find on old desks if the globe is 30cm diameter the ISS would be less than half a centimeter away from the surface....)

I was way mistaken in the year but here you go:
http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap
This is planned.

It's still on the study phase and very hypothetical time table for now we will know more in the future according to their road map in may 2018 the demonstration mission will be launched and communication satellites, so I assume that by next year they should already be starting the production of the hardware of that mission and that at least design for that part of the project to be presented this year.

[Triffin]

Interesting topic ..

Not sure 'humans' are a suitable species for exo-planet settlements ..
Mars colonization may have to wait until after the 'singularity' here on earth ..
I'm assuming that we'll evolve to a mostly non-biologic species within 5 generations
from now, perhaps faster than that .. Once the transhuman evolution occurs; then
space and exoplanet expeditions will be feasible .. No adverse effects from radiation,
length of time, resource requirements etc etc .. Maybe our descendants won't bother going
at all as I suspect that they'll be addicted to 'virtual reality' for 'experiences' and will lack
the motivation to get off this rock .. Who knows ..

Triff ..

[kuroman]

Interesting topic ..

Not sure 'humans' are a suitable species for exo-planet settlements ..
Mars colonization may have to wait until after the 'singularity' here on earth ..
I'm assuming that we'll evolve to a mostly non-biologic species within 5 generations
from now, perhaps faster than that .. Once the transhuman evolution occurs; then
space and exoplanet expeditions will be feasible .. No adverse effects from radiation,
length of time, resource requirements etc etc .. Maybe our descendants won't bother going
at all as I suspect that they'll be addicted to 'virtual reality' for 'experiences' and will lack
the motivation to get off this rock .. Who knows ..

Triff ..

just a little correction Mars is not an exo-planet and anything exo planet related is not happening anytime soon

[Dogtanian]

It's a long way to colonize Mars.

It's a long way to mars. I can't imagine they;ll ever get funding for this if they are entirely serious and it's not just a marketing ploy or publicity stunt etc.

[Lauda]

It's a long way to colonize Mars.

It's a long way to mars. I can't imagine they;ll ever get funding for this if they are entirely serious and it's not just a marketing ploy or publicity stunt etc.

Who wouldn't want to live on another planet?

[Dogtanian]

It's a long way to colonize Mars.

It's a long way to mars. I can't imagine they;ll ever get funding for this if they are entirely serious and it's not just a marketing ploy or publicity stunt etc.

Who wouldn't want to live on another planet?

One as barren as Mars? It'd be boring.

[Lauda]

One as barren as Mars? It'd be boring.

You obviously have no knowledge on this matter. Colonizing Mars doesn't mean just sending off a few capsules to live in.

[dogechode]

Well, for one thing the Earth is sort of running out of new frontiers for us to explore and I think there is a sense of excitement (for some people) in colonizing a new planet. Also it won't be barren for long if we start sending people there.

There are a lot of theories about ways we could alter the atmosphere, get the temperature up significantly, etc but none of them can be tested and verified until we get up there and start trying. We would have to begin with people living in structures (either bunkers or more ideally a series of connected giant transparent dome/bubble structures) but eventually they could terraform the planet to Earth-like conditions and atmosphere.

[Dogtanian]

One as barren as Mars? It'd be boring.

You obviously have no knowledge on this matter. Colonizing Mars doesn't mean just sending off a few capsules to live in.

It's not like they're going to terraform it or build massive cities. You'd probably need more money than was in the world to do this.

[dogechode]

I don't think terraforming has to be prohibitively expensive. The bigger issue is we just need to get people up there. If you try to predict every future expense and plan it all out like 100 years in advance it will just never begin. One piece at a time, then keep growing and adding things and others will jump on the bandwagon and send up their own colonists... really we just need to get the ball rolling.

[Dogtanian]

I don't think terraforming has to be prohibitively expensive. The bigger issue is we just need to get people up there. If you try to predict every future expense and plan it all out like 100 years in advance it will just never begin. One piece at a time, then keep growing and adding things and others will jump on the bandwagon and send up their own colonists... really we just need to get the ball rolling.

It'd be the most expensive thing ever conducted. I imagine colonizing a planet and building infrastructure would be too.

[gagalady]

The people that are going to fly to the mars are trained by professionals and  in these  few year training they'll be just like real researchers. They are not going there without any knowledge just to be there haha