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May 01, 2014, 08:18:32 AM |
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Thread resurrection.
What do you guys think about the current policies about governments not claiming territory on celestial bodies?
That only applies to earth based governments that has signed that treaty I think? Anyway, what would they do if someone actually colonized and claimed Mars? I think that they would not do anything. |
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Dogtanian
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May 01, 2014, 03:13:54 PM |
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Thread resurrection.
What do you guys think about the current policies about governments not claiming territory on celestial bodies?
They don't need to officially claim them, but if theres anything valuable on them it'll just be who gets there first and extracts it. |
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dogechode (OP)
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May 01, 2014, 04:51:00 PM |
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I would have to research the agreements but if memory serves, I believe basically it says that no nation can claim territory on a celestial body ie make a section of the moon or mars part of their sovereign nation.
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Dogtanian
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May 01, 2014, 05:11:01 PM |
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I would have to research the agreements but if memory serves, I believe basically it says that no nation can claim territory on a celestial body ie make a section of the moon or mars part of their sovereign nation.
See above. They don't need to 'claim' it officially, but it'll be whoever gets there first and settles a base or operation on it or whatever. |
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dogechode (OP)
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May 01, 2014, 05:29:57 PM |
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It is an important distinction though. If you claim ground as sovereign territory, you can refuses to allow others to enter said territory, defend it, claim exclusive ownership of resources contained therein, etc. If you can't, then if country A sets up a "base" what's to stop anyone else from walking right into the middle of it and taking pictures, or digging a hole in the ground to mine some minerals?
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Dogtanian
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May 01, 2014, 05:32:50 PM |
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It is an important distinction though. If you claim ground as sovereign territory, you can refuses to allow others to enter said territory, defend it, claim exclusive ownership of resources contained therein, etc. If you can't, then if country A sets up a "base" what's to stop anyone else from walking right into the middle of it and taking pictures, or digging a hole in the ground to mine some minerals?
If people have set up facilities there that essentially makes it theres, but that's probably how future wars will start. |
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May 01, 2014, 05:34:23 PM |
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It is an important distinction though. If you claim ground as sovereign territory, you can refuses to allow others to enter said territory, defend it, claim exclusive ownership of resources contained therein, etc. If you can't, then if country A sets up a "base" what's to stop anyone else from walking right into the middle of it and taking pictures, or digging a hole in the ground to mine some minerals?
If people have set up facilities there that essentially makes it theres, but that's probably how future wars will start. If we get to the point where we're actually colonising other planets and setting up plants to mine them for minerals or whatnot then new laws will almost certainly be drawn up otherwise there would be disputes and possibly wars started. |
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May 02, 2014, 04:04:23 AM |
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Just more of a reason for people to become more politely aware and active. Big decisions will need to be made and the right people will need to be in position so things to go all wrong.
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kuroman
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May 02, 2014, 06:23:03 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
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May 02, 2014, 06:26:06 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
At that time earth would have already been destroyed by humans and in time same thing will happen to mars . |
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cookmac
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May 02, 2014, 06:46:21 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
At that time earth would have already been destroyed by humans and in time same thing will happen to mars . Sounds about right, we seem to fuck up on everything. |
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May 02, 2014, 08:08:18 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
At that time earth would have already been destroyed by humans and in time same thing will happen to mars . Sounds about right, we seem to fuck up on everything. Mars was already destroyed. |
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May 02, 2014, 08:38:54 AM |
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If some day we will go to another planet, I hope that we will better to that planet than to Earth.
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May 02, 2014, 08:44:59 AM |
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kuroman
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May 02, 2014, 09:43:02 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
At that time earth would have already been destroyed by humans and in time same thing will happen to mars . Sounds about right, we seem to fuck up on everything. Mars was already destroyed. Mars is fine as it is right now, but when you'll either render it Venus like due to pollution or render you destroy due to some thermo nuclear or biohazard shit and make it impossible for any percpective of life then we are talking about what we human can do with our stupidity  |
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May 02, 2014, 11:38:59 AM |
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it will be simillar to earth, which means wars might start once space exploration becomes lucrative and lobying can began
At that time earth would have already been destroyed by humans and in time same thing will happen to mars . Sounds about right, we seem to fuck up on everything. Mars was already destroyed. Mars is fine as it is right now, but when you'll either render it Venus like due to pollution or render you destroy due to some thermo nuclear or biohazard shit and make it impossible for any percpective of life then we are talking about what we human can do with our stupidity if he haven't destroyed Earth yet what makes you think we would destroy Mars it's good for human race to be stationed on more planets in case an asteroid destroys Earth  |
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May 02, 2014, 11:40:36 AM |
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Mars is fine as it is right now, but when you'll either render it Venus like due to pollution or render you destroy due to some thermo nuclear or biohazard shit and make it impossible for any percpective of life then we are talking about what we human can do with our stupidity We won't further destroy Mars because we need it for further advancement into the Galaxy. |
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dogechode (OP)
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May 02, 2014, 01:06:09 PM |
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Mars is a stepping stone and a solution to some of our problems on Earth. Ultimately the Earth can only sustain so many human beings at a time, and most cultures don't seem to be particularly keen on enforcing any population controls (China's 1-child policy was basically globally condemned for years as repressive) so eventually we will need more space and resources.
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kuroman
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May 02, 2014, 07:56:51 PM |
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Mars is fine as it is right now, but when you'll either render it Venus like due to pollution or render you destroy due to some thermo nuclear or biohazard shit and make it impossible for any percpective of life then we are talking about what we human can do with our stupidity We won't further destroy Mars because we need it for further advancement into the Galaxy. Sadly reaching Mars is one thing (as it achievable with near future technology if the resources and political power is put in place to do such a thing) but the rest of the galaxy is not happening anytime soon, it takes 10 months to reach Mars in it closest orbit to earth, an almost 3 years to do a round trip, to reach Jupiter it is 6 years ......ect to reach the star system Proxima centauri which is the closest star system to earth, it takes 80000+ years with our current technology It's a several centuries if not mileniea challenge if he haven't destroyed Earth yet what makes you think we would destroy Mars it's good for human race to be stationed on more planets in case an asteroid destroys Earth we didn't yet, but we are destroying it right now, being it directly or indirectly, directly but destroying whole ecosystem deforestations, destroying it resources ... and indirectly by pollution and global warming, not to mention that whole areas were destroyed by nuclear tests and accidents and more to come as nuclear power plants are getting older and older, not to mention other risks being it biological ones or technological ones.... |
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May 06, 2014, 12:13:52 PM |
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I'm afraid that Mars will be used as an mining platform, if in years to come we will establish a base (and I mean a big one like for several thousand people). The colonization of the Mars will still be impossible (lack atmosphere), so instead we will be gathering resources and sending them back to Earth.
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