America Should Open its Borders?

[zolace]

current U.S. law, it is illegal for a foreigner to work for a willing American employer or rent from a willing American landlord without government permission.  For most foreigners, this permission is impossible to obtain.  As a result, hundreds of millions who want to move here are stuck in their birth countries.  Most would-be immigrants are desperately poor, but could easily work their way out of poverty if they were here.  I say we should open them up what ya think?

[sana8410]

wow seems that your topic zolace, no one wants to open there borders on bitcointalk.  I think people are afraid to open up there borders.  D

[counter]

I think the law needs to be followed.  This borders are there for a reason.  I can't go other places if I don't follow the laws in place to get there legally.  How can you(OP) support breaking the law if it will have a negative effect on those that are in America legally?  Don't think your looking at this matter from all angles.  I do appreciate the discussion you started even though we don't agree.

[dank]

The world should open it's borders.  We are all one.

[bryant.coleman]

Why anyone want to immigrate to the US? I think if we really work hard, then we can achieve great heights, irrespective of where we live. But if you want to take advantage of the generous welfare systems in the US / EU, then I have to warn you that the welfare state system is already in the brink of collapse. Better stay in your home nation, and do some hard work.

[Rigon]

No I do not think we should open our borders. There is enough crime as there is and I think opening our boarders will make it a whold lot worse.

[hilariousandco]

No I do not think we should open our borders. There is enough crime as there is and I think opening our boarders will make it a whold lot worse.

Because immigrants only create more crime? Why don't you kick all the criminals and lazy bums out and let in intelligent and hardworking immigrants to take their place instead? Now that would be an interesting social experiment.

[Wilikon]

current U.S. law, it is illegal for a foreigner to work for a willing American employer or rent from a willing American landlord without government permission.  For most foreigners, this permission is impossible to obtain.  As a result, hundreds of millions who want to move here are stuck in their birth countries.  Most would-be immigrants are desperately poor, but could easily work their way out of poverty if they were here.  I say we should open them up what ya think?

I wish I knew more about Mexican laws and how they deal with a massive illegal immigration crossing their territory. Hold on. I think I do...


Mexico: the train of nightmares

[bryant.coleman]

No I do not think we should open our borders. There is enough crime as there is and I think opening our boarders will make it a whold lot worse.

Agreed. In most of the countries in the developed world, a majority of the crimes are committed by the recent immigrants.

A perfect example here:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/63520

Back in May it was reported that every rape assault in the city of Oslo in the last five years had been committed by a person with a "non-Western” background – a Norwegian euphemism for Muslim. Now it turns out that there have already been twice as many rape assaults in Oslo so far this year as there were in all of 2010.

[hilariousandco]

No I do not think we should open our borders. There is enough crime as there is and I think opening our boarders will make it a whold lot worse.

Agreed. In most of the countries in the developed world, a majority of the crimes are committed by the recent immigrants.

A perfect example here:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/63520

Back in May it was reported that every rape assault in the city of Oslo in the last five years had been committed by a person with a "non-Western” background – a Norwegian euphemism for Muslim. Now it turns out that there have already been twice as many rape assaults in Oslo so far this year as there were in all of 2010.

"In most of the countries in the developed world, a majority of the crimes are committed by the recent immigrants." Absolute bullshit and this is just the ignorant and incorrect rhetoric racists spew (but you're not a racist, right?). Do you have any official sources for these claims or figures, you know, ones that don't come from stuff you've just made up or from shoddy racist websites with a political agenda?

[minime]

all borders should be removed regardless which country

[beetcoin]

No I do not think we should open our borders. There is enough crime as there is and I think opening our boarders will make it a whold lot worse.

Agreed. In most of the countries in the developed world, a majority of the crimes are committed by the recent immigrants.

A perfect example here:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/63520

Back in May it was reported that every rape assault in the city of Oslo in the last five years had been committed by a person with a "non-Western” background – a Norwegian euphemism for Muslim. Now it turns out that there have already been twice as many rape assaults in Oslo so far this year as there were in all of 2010.

"In most of the countries in the developed world, a majority of the crimes are committed by the recent immigrants." Absolute bullshit and this is just the ignorant and incorrect rhetoric racists spew (but you're not a racist, right?). Do you have any official sources for these claims or figures, you know, ones that don't come from stuff you've just made up or from shoddy racist websites with a political agenda?

yeah that's just propaganda bullshit. if i were a new immigrant, the last thing i would want to do is fuck with the law. if that statistic were true, it's probably because immigrants have so much stacked against them that they get desperate.

[bryant.coleman]

yeah that's just propaganda bullshit. if i were a new immigrant, the last thing i would want to do is fuck with the law. if that statistic were true, it's probably because immigrants have so much stacked against them that they get desperate.

Stats prove otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

Japan: While foreigners from Africa are outnumbered by Japanese natives by 4551%, per capita Africans are responsible for 3.5 times as much crime as Japanese natives.

Denmark: According to the figures from Danmarks Statistik, crime rate among refugees and their descendants is 73% higher than for the male population average, even when taking into account their socioeconomic background.

Finland: A 2006 study found that the share of immigrants has a positive and significant impact on the crime rate, confirming that a larger share of immigrants is associated with a higher crime rate.

Germany: Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers. The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Germans.

Greece: Official statistics show that immigrants are responsible for about half of the criminal activity in Greece.

Netherlands: Non-"white Dutch" youths are more likely to have contact with the police and be convicted of a serious crime than their "white Dutch" compatriots.

[Wilikon]

all borders should be removed regardless which country

Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?

[umair127]

all borders should be removed regardless which country

They cant do that cause then the govs will feel like they dont have control of traffic inflow of immigrants.  Plus then there will be more crime if that was to happen.  Imagine how happy Al qeda will be to plant themselves all over the world

[bryant.coleman]

Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?

Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.

[umair127]

Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?

Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.

It doesnt really matter who opens there borders your just opening pandora box allowing to much freedom of entry of people who you really dont all know.  Then this will also open a world for new diseases to be contracted far much easier also

[Wilikon]

Do you own a key to have access to where you live? Why is that? Do you need a password to have access to your email? Why is that?

Classic. One thing I have noticed recently. The people who are the most vocal about opening the borders of the US, most of them are firmly against opening the borders of their own nations. For example, the previous Mexican president Vicente Fox Quesada. Honduran and Salvadorean immigrants claim that it was during Fox's regime that the brutality against them increased the most.

This was true until around 2010, forever. I do not know the status now but:

"Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/?page=all

[bryant.coleman]

Another point I have to make is that, the Americans themselves are responsible for a part of the immigration problem. Birthright citizenship is such a stupid idea, and I don't think there is any other nation in the world which is having a similar law. This law has not only encouraged illegal immigration, but also put additional strain to the welfare system by encouraging the illegals to have a large number of children.

[Wilikon]

Another point I have to make is that, the Americans themselves are responsible for a part of the immigration problem. Birthright citizenship is such a stupid idea, and I don't think there is any other nation in the world which is having a similar law. This law has not only encouraged illegal immigration, but also put additional strain to the welfare system by encouraging the illegals to have a large number of children.

The Fourteenth Amendment was the answer to the Democrat slave owners from owning the children of "their property" and the children of the children of their property, in perpetuum... So it was not a stupid Amendment, even though it is being abused now by some heavy pregnant women doing some dangerous stuff just like the one in the video I linked.