don't use X11,it can be mined by Scrypt ASIC or fpga

[ingvarfervent]

any real proof ?   

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[AlexGR]

any real proof ?   

Plenty of proof... proof-of-stupidity.

Claiming scrypt asic can do x11 = ignorance or real issues in the brain department.

[Bawb3]

I have seen people say that making an X11 Asic will be much easier/faster than it was for scrypt... however I have no real knowledge on the subject so I cant say if that's true or not.

Regardless, if asics/fpga's invade x11, the market will dictate where GPU miners go next, it's not really that big of a deal.
For the time being, I like X11 for the temps... I don't feel like my cards are going to melt into nothing :-P. But if another algo starts to rise, we go there. I'm going to guess this "arms race" will be going on for quite some time, so lets sit back and relax, and watch the show

[amithus705]

I have seen people say that making an X11 Asic will be much easier/faster than it was for scrypt... however I have no real knowledge on the subject so I cant say if that's true or not.

Regardless, if asics/fpga's invade x11, the market will dictate where GPU miners go next, it's not really that big of a deal.
For the time being, I like X11 for the temps... I don't feel like my cards are going to melt into nothing :-P. But if another algo starts to rise, we go there. I'm going to guess this "arms race" will be going on for quite some time, so lets sit back and relax, and watch the show

Probably the best response in the whole thread.

[SpeedDemon13]

People more likely have huge gpu farms of Nvidia GTX 750ti's. What's not to like about that gpu: 30~60 watts and hashes at 2.8 mh/s on X11. By far the most profitable gpu and about 4~5 times more efficient than an AMD HD7970/280X.

[carloss]

People more likely have huge gpu farms of Nvidia GTX 750ti's. What's not to like about that gpu: 30~60 watts and hashes at 2.8 mh/s on X11. By far the most profitable gpu and about 4~5 times more efficient than an AMD HD7970/280X.

Exactly. Personally I don't think that the FPGA implementation will be significantly better than running bunch of 750Tis in the terms of MHash/W and MHash/USD.

Also, maybe there are private farms using custom software for AMD GPUs (the x11 implementation in sphminer is not really optimized enough).

[djm34]

the main problem with X11 are mainly X11 coins... one new coin everyday (not mentioning that for half of them the windows wallet have issues).
Until things settle a bit, there is no point mining them (except on nicehash, to take advantage of the people who rush into every X11 coin...  )

[SpeedDemon13]

People more likely have huge gpu farms of Nvidia GTX 750ti's. What's not to like about that gpu: 30~60 watts and hashes at 2.8 mh/s on X11. By far the most profitable gpu and about 4~5 times more efficient than an AMD HD7970/280X.

Exactly. Personally I don't think that the FPGA implementation will be significantly better than running bunch of 750Tis in the terms of MHash/W and MHash/USD.

Also, maybe there are private farms using custom software for AMD GPUs (the x11 implementation in sphminer is not really optimized enough).

Yup. How is it a 7970/280x be so outright over performed by a mid-grade gpu from Nvidia? Definitely there probably an optimization that doubles or even triples AMD's performance and maybe people are being greedy to keep to themselves. But we won't know until it's release.

the main problem with X11 are mainly X11 coins... one new coin everyday (not mentioning that for half of them the windows wallet have issues).
Until things settle a bit, there is no point mining them (except on nicehash, to take advantage of the people who rush into every X11 coin...  )

It's not the problem of making too many X11 coins, it's more of coins with no true good purpose and/or innovation.

[milly6]

CPU->GPU->FPGA->ASIC

The hardware order that a coin can be mined eventually.

A FPGA is better than an ASIC in regards that in can be reprogrammed. An ASIC is programmed to do just one thing only. ASIC's generally are quicker and I wouldn't doubt someone having a working FPGA programmed for X11.

don't doubt either... however nobody so far asked for the ban of scrypt coin 

A ban? he said dont use.. not a ban. Theres plenty of people that said dont mine scrypt coins

[milly6]

CPU->GPU->FPGA->ASIC

The hardware order that a coin can be mined eventually.

A FPGA is better than an ASIC in regards that it can be reprogrammed. An ASIC is programmed to do just one thing only. ASIC's generally are quicker and I wouldn't doubt someone having a working FPGA programmed for X11.

Where can buy FPGA miner? I am interested.

You won't be able to buy even if such fpga exists until they mine the shit out of x11 .

^yup just like they did on scrypt during the gpu buying rush.. blended right in

[alnoor1231]

Hey, I have an FPGA. Anyone wanna help me program it?

[kqpahv]

People more likely have huge gpu farms of Nvidia GTX 750ti's. What's not to like about that gpu: 30~60 watts and hashes at 2.8 mh/s on X11. By far the most profitable gpu and about 4~5 times more efficient than an AMD HD7970/280X.

Doubt that there are that many 750ti farms even out there. There is definitely something off with x11 mining though. Obviously it's not scrypt asics lol   or 750Ti's as x11 hasnt been profitable since the beginning when DRK was little known.
As the whole DRK thing is a bit shady I wouldnt be suprised if there was a way more efficient method to mine x11 not released to the public kept in mind already developing x11. The market numbers just dont make sense and don't correlate to other algos.  
Also both BTC and LTC developers have pointed out that x11 is actually a pretty week algo.

In the end who cares, eventually it will be obvious to everyone and x11 and it's coin's will be forgotten as the community moves away from it just as we see happening to scrypt now.

[Amph]

lmao at people yelling for proof, it's certainly possible to program it for x11, so if there is a profit with fpga(i don't know much about their cost ecc...) they are already used for sure

[Lucky7Gaming]

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/darkcoin-fpga-mining-co-op.836/

Looks like some people over at darkcointalk are working on this fpga mining.

[bexwhitt]

Lol, anyone who believes this is close to brain dead. Cost involved Into designing is too significant to even THINK about building an fpga/asic for an algo at such infancy.

Also, I find it funny how in recent months, starting any post with "I am china" seems to invoke confidence when trying to spread FUD about a subject.

an fpga is a blank chip which set up is loaded from an eprom, all it needs is someone smart enough to do the programing. there is no setup cost apart for the off the shelf parts and the build, whether this would be cost effective now that's another matter.

[mitchellmint]

I have it and how do you want me to prove it?  Its everywhere in China.  X11 is being done at 1/3 of the cost.  The old FPGA's are killing the GPU performance.

Make another Algo

[jimlite]

FIRST X11 CAN NOT BE MINED WITH AN SCRYPT ASIC. PERIOD.
SECONDLY, X11 FPGAs DO EXIST, BUT THEY COST ABOUT $4500
AND ARE ONLY 3X AS FAST AS A GPU. SO NOT WORTH IT RIGHT NOW.

[djm34]

I have it and how do you want me to prove it?  Its everywhere in China.  X11 is being done at 1/3 of the cost.  The old FPGA's are killing the GPU performance.

Make another Algo

show some photos (have fpga but no camera ?)  
(or better a video)
and since you have some fpga, why do you want other algos, you're not really logic (more for you less for the others)  
and btw, there are other algos (why everybody are so focused on X11 ? actually,never mind, keep it that way  )

[xephyr]

ltcgear.com is mining X11 (darkcoin) using FPGAs: http://ltcgear.com/product/x11-mod-m2/

[nuggetbram]

I don't think they're available yet. Sure, they might be easier to make than for scrypt, but those took over a year just for people f=proved them to exist. I don't think they'll be here for a loooong time.

I'm mining WhilrCoin now, no huge GPU farms on it yet and the algo is more efficient than x11. If there's concerns with the algo, just move on to a different one...