solid12345
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May 20, 2014, 03:45:21 AM |
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There's no doubt that there are logos worth millions and that quality scales with price. I do think there are good designs here, but the ideal situation is to have many to pick from. This thread didn't attract enough attention and the number of submission turned out be pretty low.
Couple this with the fact that today's logos are the same as yesterday's logos -- yet the price paid by the donators went up by a factor of 5, which no one could have predicted. There's a responsibility to get the best deal for the donators since it's all voluntary. One choice is to wait for the new attention and the unusually high bounty to produce more logos, but it's quicker to contract it out at this point. This was obviously not the intended path when the contest started.
So are you willing to revise the obscenely high 2600 MRO bounty for the gui wallet then? After all, its just a wallet skin, right? I'm sure you could find a Polish programmer who would do it for 1 btc. |
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eizh
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May 20, 2014, 04:06:49 AM |
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So are you willing to revise the obscenely high 2600 MRO bounty for the gui wallet then? After all, its just a wallet skin, right? I'm sure you could find a Polish programmer who would do it for 1 btc.
It's actually coding, not skinning, and a lot of it. The difficulty of implementing a cross-platform wallet is massive and there are relatively few that could do it. Bitcoin-Qt, for example, was Bitcoin's third client. We were thinking about raising that bounty to attract someone. Prior to the price rise, it was way underfunded and may still be. Supply-demand problem. |
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pizzaboy69696969
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May 20, 2014, 04:40:20 AM |
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Some quick attempts based on the ring signatures:   Oh wait contest closed, nevermind! |
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Quanttek
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May 20, 2014, 05:14:49 AM |
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Xenopus
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May 20, 2014, 05:31:52 AM |
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Discussed with the stakeholders (i.e. the bounty funders) and it's been decided that ending it with no award is the preference over changing the terms. We will contract it out with no reference made to any work here (to prevent any usage of your work). This is the only solution consistent with the original terms since it would have happened anyway at this price level.
Yes, Xenopus, it is indeed about money. This is an economic transaction and it has a going rate in the wider market. Below that, the artists have no incentive to sell. Above that, the bounty funders don't have an incentive to buy. The volatility of altcoins makes that messy and the smart thing to do would have been to decide a BTC bounty in the beginning since BTC is the most stable crypto. This was a major mistake on our part.
Thanks for wasting everyone's time, jackass. |
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Ximp
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May 20, 2014, 05:46:03 AM |
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"So yeah, we had a contest but the prize is too big now so we are canceling the contest. Thank you for the free design ideas!"
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anonymousxx1503
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May 20, 2014, 05:46:48 AM |
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Discussed with the stakeholders (i.e. the bounty funders) and it's been decided that ending it with no award is the preference over changing the terms. We will contract it out with no reference made to any work here (to prevent any usage of your work). This is the only solution consistent with the original terms since it would have happened anyway at this price level.
Yes, Xenopus, it is indeed about money. This is an economic transaction and it has a going rate in the wider market. Below that, the artists have no incentive to sell. Above that, the bounty funders don't have an incentive to buy. The volatility of altcoins makes that messy and the smart thing to do would have been to decide a BTC bounty in the beginning since BTC is the most stable crypto. This was a major mistake on our part.
Thanks for wasting everyone's time, jackass. Lol what a fucking bad move. |
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eizh
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May 20, 2014, 05:50:43 AM |
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A design contest will be up on 99designs soon. You're all welcome to submit/re-submit to that. The payout is significantly higher than what was planned here. As I said, the issue is not with paying a designer, but in the low number of submissions we got here. Desired features are also much more well-defined.
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pizzaboy69696969
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May 20, 2014, 05:58:13 AM |
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A design contest will be up on 99designs soon. You're all welcome to submit/re-submit to that. The payout is significantly higher than what was planned here. As I said, the issue is not with paying a designer, but in the low number of submissions we got here. Desired features are also much more well-defined.
Dude, you got over 60 designs! |
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dleader
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May 20, 2014, 06:00:10 AM |
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Apparently you think a pump is a true measure of your coins worth.
If you don't realize that a pool of 1-2 mil jumps from coin to coin looking for their next hit... than you deserve the shitty price MRO will be worth.
This month alone. Xbc, xlc, naut, cinni, vrc, sc, drm, xbl, pig, badger, on and on...
Get your heads out of your asses and pay ppl what they are worth. All you have left after the dump is hard work and your public profile. Blackcoin has suffered immensely from the bitch fight with iconic.
Think about it.
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dleader
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May 20, 2014, 06:02:33 AM |
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And... if you cant afford $500 then your coin is already doomed.
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eizh
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May 20, 2014, 06:22:42 AM |
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Apparently you think a pump is a true measure of your coins worth.
If you don't realize that a pool of 1-2 mil jumps from coin to coin looking for their next hit... than you deserve the shitty price MRO will be worth.
This month alone. Xbc, xlc, naut, cinni, vrc, sc, drm, xbl, pig, badger, on and on...
Get your heads out of your asses and pay ppl what they are worth. All you have left after the dump is hard work and your public profile. Blackcoin has suffered immensely from the bitch fight with iconic.
Think about it.
I'm perfectly familiar with the altcoin space and its pumps and dumps. But any financial asset is worth what it is in the immediate market (accounting for liquidity). The contest is actually for roughly the same amount ($500) as we were debating here, but because the number of high-quality submissions are higher through 99designs, this is acceptable. Some nice logos like Counterparty (XCP) came out of this site as well as Peercoin's famous one (though I'm personally not a fan). |
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sadface
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May 20, 2014, 07:04:54 AM |
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wow, what a waste. absolutely not acceptable. scammers is what you are.
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sadface
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May 20, 2014, 07:27:17 AM |
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thx for bumping the thread.
you can try to spin this around as much as you want, this is dishonest and contemptuous as it gets. there would have been other ways, but you chose the worst. congrats
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thelonecrouton
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May 20, 2014, 10:58:13 AM |
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Well, thanks I guess. I was thinking of picking up some monero, but with behavior like this, how could anyone ever trust these clowns?
Good luck with your radical "Fuck the supporters!" management style.
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Xenopus
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May 20, 2014, 04:20:37 PM |
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wow, what a waste. absolutely not acceptable. scammers is what you are.
Because the contest got upgraded from $130 at the time of your submission to $500 + protected from price volatility (double-edged sword).  Too bad, I genuinely liked your designs. You're did a really shitty thing, and instead of apologizing (like, at all) you just shrug and pretend you did nothing wrong. You have ZERO right dealing out holier-than-thou sass like this people who are upset at your disgraceful behaviour. |
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solid12345
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May 20, 2014, 08:08:13 PM |
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I was going to get on today to apologize to eizh, I was under the impression the logo bounty was being reduced to 99 dollars, then I saw it was $500 on the site which I think is a fair price so I started working on one. Well lo and behold I go to upload my design and AGAIN it's now been changed now to $300 prize. What next, will it be reduced to $99 tomorrow?
This is all the more reason digital contract technology on the blockchain is going to be huge, it will be harder for clients to pull such shenanigans when there is documentation for every every move in the b2b process.
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eizh
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May 20, 2014, 08:10:55 PM
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I was going to get on today to apologize to eizh, I was under the impression the logo bounty was being reduced to 99 dollars, then I saw it was $500 on the site which I think is a fair price so I started working on one. Well lo and behold I go to upload my design and AGAIN it's now been changed now to $300 prize. What next, will it be reduced to $99 tomorrow?
This is all the more reason digital contract technology on the blockchain is going to be huge, it will be harder for clients to pull such shenanigans when there is documentation for every every move in the b2b process.
Solid, it's $500 (that's what I see on the top right corner). What are you talking about? Does the site keep $200 for itself? If that is the case, I can increase it. edit: Pretty sure I can't change it now, but you can just take MRO in that case. |
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eizh
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May 20, 2014, 08:13:58 PM
Last edit: May 20, 2014, 09:42:28 PM by eizh |
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wow, what a waste. absolutely not acceptable. scammers is what you are.
Because the contest got upgraded from $130 at the time of your submission to $500 + protected from price volatility (double-edged sword). Too bad, I genuinely liked your designs. You're did a really shitty thing, and instead of apologizing (like, at all) you just shrug and pretend you did nothing wrong. You have ZERO right dealing out holier-than-thou sass like this people who are upset at your disgraceful behaviour. You are right. Moving it to a different venue and asking for artists to resubmit is more of a move than a cancellation so the terms should be kept constant. In light of that, if a previous submission from this forum wins, you have the option to take 300 MRO instead -- fluffypony clarified this in the main thread. This would have to be privately arranged because I'm pretty sure the site just automatically pays out. Sorry for the clusterfuck. The logic is simple: a forum contest should be cheap because only those who happen to be on this forum are in it, making it relatively noncompetitive. The MRO price went up so it's fair to move to a more competitive venue. When we're talking about something like 99designs.com, you have to beat out a lot more artists and naturally you deserve more, and we're willing to pay that. |
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