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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. |
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May 08, 2014, 10:11:01 PM |
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.....this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean....
What of your KNC are you referring to? |
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May 08, 2014, 10:30:12 PM |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. this gear can do 2 th over clocked with a 1500 watt psu? so let us say you are correct . what does the custom psu cost? |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. this gear can do 2 th over clocked with a 1500 watt psu? so let us say you are correct . what does the custom psu cost? Hell I can not even figure out how people are getting 1.4+TH/s from the DS1050 it ships with. 1500W PSU in case size does not exist.. yet there are 1200W replacements out there. |
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May 09, 2014, 12:46:55 AM |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. this gear can do 2 th over clocked with a 1500 watt psu? so let us say you are correct . what does the custom psu cost? Hell I can not even figure out how people are getting 1.4+TH/s from the DS1050 it ships with. 1500W PSU in case size does not exist.. yet there are 1200W replacements out there. Picture made 1 minute ago:  |
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May 09, 2014, 01:17:26 AM |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. this gear can do 2 th over clocked with a 1500 watt psu? so let us say you are correct . what does the custom psu cost? Hell I can not even figure out how people are getting 1.4+TH/s from the DS1050 it ships with. 1500W PSU in case size does not exist.. yet there are 1200W replacements out there. Picture made 1 minute ago: Nice.....  Is the final hashrate at TURBO mode?? |
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May 09, 2014, 01:19:43 AM |
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I have ordered both SP10s and later SP30s from the previous GB, but I'm not convinced that this GB price is a winner ... doesn't seem quite like the GB deal you would be looking for, taking ROI calculations etc. into consideration. Yes, SP kit is superior in its built quality, but the bottom line is profit out of mining, so looks and continued reliability can easily be ignored by many when looking at the bottom line. A combined hosting GB sounds an interesting idea as previously mentioned, as would a lower price for the GB SP10.
Good point. I don't want good build quality. I want shit build quality. After 6 - 12 months, this thing is going to the same place as my KnC shit - to the bottom of the ocean. Why do I care if the built quality is high? If this thing is serviceable in 2 years, that is a damn waste. Build quality comes into play when OC'ing. The S2 is stuck @ 1.1, FrakenJups @2.6-2.8??(I do not run one(3)). IF SP10's PSU can be upgraded to 1500W that quality could lead to 6-700 GH/s OC'in.. this gear can do 2 th over clocked with a 1500 watt psu? so let us say you are correct . what does the custom psu cost? Hell I can not even figure out how people are getting 1.4+TH/s from the DS1050 it ships with. 1500W PSU in case size does not exist.. yet there are 1200W replacements out there. Picture made 1 minute ago: Oh I see it, in their media as well. Just confusing that they list PSU @ 1050W (up to 1200W to boost performance), yet there are stats of 1.4TH/s @ 1340W, did you upgrade PSU? Did S-T upgrade unit to 1200W PSU before shipping? Does the $3200 - GB ship with PSU capable of reaching 1.4TH? |
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May 09, 2014, 05:33:32 AM |
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Psu has considerable safety margins built in, so it can run at around 15-20% more power than stated.
The limiting factor for this design is the cooling capacity, at 20°C and below you will reach 1,5 TH.
If you can cool your unit with 3°C air at high airflow, or with immersion you could get the maximum out of it but it is really not worth the effort.
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May 09, 2014, 09:18:20 AM
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Is the final hashrate at TURBO mode??
Depends on the room temperature of your miner. Oh I see it, in their media as well. Just confusing that they list PSU @ 1050W (up to 1200W to boost performance), yet there are stats of 1.4TH/s @ 1340W, did you upgrade PSU? Did S-T upgrade unit to 1200W PSU before shipping?
Does the $3200 - GB ship with PSU capable of reaching 1.4TH?
1.4TH/s is the normal mode  And yes the PSU is very capable of reaching 1.4TH and 1.5TH. I stressed over this too around 20 March when SP-Tech made their announcement on the forum. After a lot of questions and after dogie's review now I'm the happy owner of a SP10. Captured this right now in a warm room:  |
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May 09, 2014, 10:08:45 AM |
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Roadstress you have yours at home in Bonnie Scotland right?
Can you do a video of it with audio on? I'd like to see what it sounds like in a non-datacenter environment before I make any decisions on purchasing
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May 09, 2014, 11:12:21 AM |
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Roadstress you have yours at home in Bonnie Scotland right?
Can you do a video of it with audio on? I'd like to see what it sounds like in a non-datacenter environment before I make any decisions on purchasing
Cheers.
I'm not from Scotland. raskul is Well I have my miners in a remote location and it's a bit hard for me to do a short movie, but I remember there was a movie from someone I just don't recall who or where is it. I will dig for it and post it when I find it. |
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May 09, 2014, 11:23:09 AM |
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If you tell me how this miner will mine 8.5BTC I will buy one.
188 days with 14% increments will make 4BTC after that it will make 0.0077 a day.
You didn't understand my logic. I prefer to get a miner because I will always have a way of producing BTC and also it gives me diversity in options. By buying BTC you are limiting your options by a lot imo. Having a machine that produces BTC gives me the option to sell at any exchange rate (for example I can exchange my mined BTC at $400, $350, $300 etc and also at $500, $600, $700 etc), by buying and holding you are only limited to exchange only when the value goes up and even if you do you may exchange today at $1000 and in one week when the exchange is $1100 you won't have what to exchange. No matter the exchange rate after a while you will feel sorry that you turned your BTC to fiat because you could get a better rate. Also if BTC goes back to $100 or difficulty goes to the sky with a low exchange rate then I will just turn my miner off and turn it back on when it's profitable (exchange rate goes up or diff goes down). If you are holding to your 8.5 BTC and the exchange goes to $300 who do you think will suffer more? Me with the miner or you with the 8.5 BTC? IMO all who throw as much btc for a miner and didn't calculated to return back the btc was.....  I think the most simple calculation (at least for me) if I spend btc to buy a miner in fiat I'll check with 55-60% increase per month in difficulty. If I see return and some profit on a miner I'll buy, if not, I'll wait. Currently I'm in waiting status.... Only a better btc/usd could change this. Edit: The famous sentence what I read on the forum and I think it's a good one: "You mine btc not fiat." Edit2: At 800$ btc price this one would be the best deal. (Or S2) I see a contradiction in your statement. You will mine the same amount of BTC at $800 btc price or even less than what you are mining at this btc price because there will be more people who will start mining which equals to a higher rise in difficulty. Look what happened last autumn when BTC skyrocketed from $120 to $1200. Difficulty also skyrocketed (remember double the difficulty in just one month?) and we will have that kind of exponential rise if BTC price goes to the moon (and it will someday) and by the time everyone starts buying miners my farm will be much bigger and I will have more BTC mined than the ones who joined later. Nobody is so good at exchanging their BTC at the right moment and while looking behind seems easy, doing it live much more rough. Mining for me is like a brake for greed and it keeps me from doing stupid and big mistakes. What i wanted to say: If I pay in btc and i able to mine LESS btc what I paid for the miner in btc it's loss. At 800$ btc price you can buy the miner at near half btc and you'll get some return. If you're not able to mine back your investment why don't you simply hold it? You can't speculate on the price rise of btc something like this: hey dude, i bought a miner for 8.5 btc, it mined back 7 btc but the price risen to 1000$ what a good deal... Just do some math. Have to tell it's not offense against you, or the product or SP. I think it's a quality product at a good price on the market. BTC PRICE IS TOO LOW to buy hardware priced in $. This opinion is not only about SP and your group buy, but the whole mining market these days.... About difficulty rise. These part is about me (and I think about some other miners). I have runing some asics (16th+some). I don't care these days about difficulty because I can do nothing with it. Now I'm just waiting, watching the coins knocking in my wallet and waiting. When the price will blow up I'll buy a shitload of new asics (at good btc price there will be some good deals) and chatch up the difficluty. (And i think with this strategy I can buy asics what can make + return in btc) About trading. I'm a complete noob, but better on electronics.  Hope you understand what I mean, sometimes there are mistakes in my english but please forgive me. |
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May 09, 2014, 11:25:04 AM |
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So back on subject:
1. hosted SP10 will go online on 16 may?
2. When do we start to pay. Bank transfer take 2-3 days to show up...
1. I don't have anything official, but my assumption is between 15 and 17 2. You should receive an e-mail by tomorrow max. If you don't, then either contact me or directly SP-Tech. About 2 - FYI still haven't received something. |
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May 09, 2014, 11:42:04 AM |
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So back on subject:
1. hosted SP10 will go online on 16 may?
2. When do we start to pay. Bank transfer take 2-3 days to show up...
1. I don't have anything official, but my assumption is between 15 and 17 2. You should receive an e-mail by tomorrow max. If you don't, then either contact me or directly SP-Tech. About 2 - FYI still haven't received something. Because: So back on subject:
1. hosted SP10 will go online on 16 may?
2. When do we start to pay. Bank transfer take 2-3 days to show up...
1. I don't have anything official, but my assumption is between 15 and 17 2. You should receive an e-mail by tomorrow max. If you don't, then either contact me or directly SP-Tech. We'll start hosting around the 16 or a bit before, first come first serve, per our daily production and the queue. Tomorrow is weekend in Israel, you'll get first emails on Sunday. Our sales admin was under the weather today. |
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May 09, 2014, 12:10:56 PM |
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Thanks Roadstress - had missed that.
Will have my mind on it for Sunday then.
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May 09, 2014, 04:57:01 PM |
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Machine is the most beautiful I've ever seen a machine, but the price is really expensive, and now the market is not very good, I think it might be more cost-effective or directly buy bitcoin.
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May 09, 2014, 05:05:13 PM |
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Machine is the most beautiful I've ever seen a machine, but the price is really expensive, and now the market is not very good, I think it might be more cost-effective or directly buy bitcoin.
the market is great.  if we see the up ramps are faster than the down ramps, that's a good sign... from this;  yes a very good sign that the market is actually; very, good. |
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May 09, 2014, 05:33:50 PM |
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Machine is the most beautiful I've ever seen a machine, but the price is really expensive, and now the market is not very good, I think it might be more cost-effective or directly buy bitcoin.
It's the best $/GH available right now on the market so it's not really that expensive. You can't buy anything better except from scammers from VMC and maybe S1, but that's like a USB stick miner |
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May 09, 2014, 05:43:49 PM |
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Machine is the most beautiful I've ever seen a machine, but the price is really expensive, and now the market is not very good, I think it might be more cost-effective or directly buy bitcoin.
It's the best $/GH available right now on the market so it's not really that expensive. You can't buy anything better except from scammers from VMC and maybe S1, but that's like a USB stick miner Humm buying a few S1 have best $/GH, with 3,200$ you can get 8 of them + psu, so you can get 1.6Th/s but i take a lot more space ^^ |
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