Snowden poll

[TheFootMan]

In case you're interested, here's some background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwAodrjZMY

[Sindelar1938]

Vanity and altruism are not mutually exclusive
We owe snowden big time

[commandrix]

As one who has only loosely followed the Snowden story, I like what he did. I'm just sorry that the mess he's gotten himself into has contributed to our increasingly tense relations with Russia. Really the authorities should be negotiating with him so he can come home and return whatever documents he's still sitting on instead of making him out to be a villain and traitor when all he did was cry foul in a very public way.

[Lauda]

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

[beetcoin]

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

i think it's by design. defund education, control the major media outlets.. and control the people. last week's episode of vice was a good example. there are people in texas who rely on water/rain for sustenance, and there hvae been droughts the past few years. they still deny that the drought could be caused by climate change.

[bryant.coleman]

He did it for altruistic motives, to fight for our privacy online. And we should be thankful to him for that. If there was no Snowden, then no one would have ever known about the dirty work being done by the NSA.

[Hazir]

He did it for altruistic motives, to fight for our privacy online. And we should be thankful to him for that. If there was no Snowden, then no one would have ever known about the dirty work being done by the NSA.

Simply put, in my eyes Snowden is a Hero. He did great thing, he opened people's eyes. We are being spied, invigilated and our online privacy is a joke. Now people know there is no freedom in the internet.

[TheFootMan]

He did it for altruistic motives, to fight for our privacy online. And we should be thankful to him for that. If there was no Snowden, then no one would have ever known about the dirty work being done by the NSA.

Simply put, in my eyes Snowden is a Hero. He did great thing, he opened people's eyes. We are being spied, invigilated and our online privacy is a joke. Now people know there is no freedom in the internet.

Good points, I concurr. It's also worth nothing that the socalled traitors and/or whistleblowers are often character assasinated by those beeing exposed, I think that's quite silly, and I think it would be better to say nothing about the case in those instances. But I guess lies and deceipt is part of the spy world..

[validium]

To me he is a hero, an internet champion. His revelation helped show how big a threat five eyes(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes) pose to electronic communication.

[dogechode]

Don't really agree with either of the available choices. Poll needs more options.

[bitsmichel]

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

It is far far beyond simple spying.  Imagine a search engine with the worlds information.

You have political opponents? you look in the search engine where they are, and order a kill squad
Your business is doing bad?  you look in the search engine what others are doing, ruin their business opportunities/deals
You don't like some person of your old class?  you ruin his relationship using their data
You have a whistle-blower in your team?   you take his information, look for everything that is negative, make mass media broadcast it. Try to kill him without trial;

The possibilities are endless

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

i think it's by design. defund education, control the major media outlets.. and control the people. last week's episode of vice was a good example. there are people in texas who rely on water/rain for sustenance, and there hvae been droughts the past few years. they still deny that the drought could be caused by climate change.

I do not have PRISM access to look up the actual data on other Americans. Perhaps one of the NSA members could reply in this thread.

[validium]

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

It is far far beyond simple spying.  Imagine a search engine with the worlds information.

You have political opponents? you look in the search engine where they are, and order a kill squad
Your business is doing bad?  you look in the search engine what others are doing, ruin their business opportunities/deals
You don't like some person of your old class?  you ruin his relationship using their data
You have a whistle-blower in your team?   you take his information, look for everything that is negative, make mass media broadcast it. Try to kill him without trial;

The possibilities are endless

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

i think it's by design. defund education, control the major media outlets.. and control the people. last week's episode of vice was a good example. there are people in texas who rely on water/rain for sustenance, and there hvae been droughts the past few years. they still deny that the drought could be caused by climate change.

I do not have PRISM access to look up the actual data on other Americans. Perhaps one of the NSA members could reply in this thread.

True. With the type of info they collect they must have some sort of a search engine, imagine gaining access to it, the things you could do with it

[msc_de]

he only a mother-fucker

[bitgeek]

he only a mother-fucker

Why do you think so? I'd appreciate some reasoning here. The only thing he fucked was the government, and we need more people like him.

[TheFootMan]

Well, many Americans don't really care about all of this. Which is pretty sad. How can they be this ignorant?
If I was in his place, I would have done it too. After all, spying upon half the world, is a thing much greater than me.

It is far far beyond simple spying.  Imagine a search engine with the worlds information.

You have political opponents? you look in the search engine where they are, and order a kill squad
Your business is doing bad?  you look in the search engine what others are doing, ruin their business opportunities/deals
You don't like some person of your old class?  you ruin his relationship using their data
You have a whistle-blower in your team?   you take his information, look for everything that is negative, make mass media broadcast it. Try to kill him without trial;

The possibilities are endless

Sure are, but most if not all of those things are illegal, and if something suddenly started to happen to you, I'm pretty sure you'd know about some suspects. And if anyone was caught doing any of that stuff, they political career would most certainly be toast for every if it was proved that they were involved.

But fast forward to the future: There will be assasinations conducted by mini-drones carrying lethal does of poison, administering it through putting a little bit inside a glass of milk, mimicking a mosquito bite at night etc. And research within biochemistry and medical profession will have advanced so much that many common medical incidents can be faked. Heartattack - no problem, let's administer a poision that can make the heart stop and then the substance will simply be undetectable after the incident, because the body simply breaks it down.

I guess many such substances already exist, but I would think the mini-drone technology is not quite yet there, but it will come.

And new security measures for important people will include, in addition to traditional anti missile weapons etc. environments where not even a bug can enter.

So in the future, we will see that some traitor exposed some national secrets, he then went to seek asylum in Russia or wherever, and then shortly thereafter he dies form food poisioning or any other kind of disease or condition that quickly can make a man die. And there would be no records of anything, there was nobody travelling internationally to conduct an assasination. Welcome to the cozy future.

[bitsmichel]

Sure are, but most if not all of those things are illegal, and if something suddenly started to happen to you, I'm pretty sure you'd know about some suspects. And if anyone was caught doing any of that stuff, they political career would most certainly be toast for every if it was proved that they were involved.

The CIA does not care about legality. They do what they think is necessary. No matter if this is poisoning people, testing lethal medicines on soldiers, torturing people, human experimentation or whatever. Its a good job  
 

[TheFootMan]

Sure are, but most if not all of those things are illegal, and if something suddenly started to happen to you, I'm pretty sure you'd know about some suspects. And if anyone was caught doing any of that stuff, they political career would most certainly be toast for every if it was proved that they were involved.

The CIA does not care about legality. They do what they think is necessary. No matter if this is poisoning people, testing lethal medicines on soldiers, torturing people, human experimentation or whatever. Its a good job  
 

I've read abot that sick stuff. It made me less of a human knowing about all that shit.

I guess your last sentence is kind of a joke, but if anyone works for the CIA, I'm sure they feel it's all worth it when they're left behind in some shithole and left to rot, because they were 'expendable'. Sounds fun!

[msc_de]

he only a mother-fucker

Why do you think so? I'd appreciate some reasoning here. The only thing he fucked was the government, and we need more people like him.

he had many choices how to figure out what US government did wrongly but he made bad choice and fucked her motherland. bullshit

[kuroman]

without a doubt Snowden is a hero and if it wasn't for him we would be still in the dark, and I'm sure he knows more and didn't leak informations that could endanger american lives but I bet there are even worse stuff that we don't know of yet, but what we know already is quite disturbing and I'm glad to see some countries starting to retaliate such as Germany and their recent annoucement to stop using Cisco and other american companies equipement since they are being bugged by the NSA, (this will push the companies concerned to lobby and have their equipment spy free if they want to keep doing business in the internationnal market)

[beetcoin]

my issue with snowden is.. he's not living in russia. as bad as the U.S. is, i'd think russia is an even worse place to live (in terms of individual rights and the government speaking for the people).

he's sitting on all of this valuable information.. russia could easily extort or force it out of him. i don't think he intended to land in russia.