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January 22, 2012, 11:01:57 PM
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There are still laws, people dont steal from each other or they will get jailed

Is that why you don't steal?

Have you noticed that people are still stealing even with the laws?

How about we pay if they actually deliver? That's a pretty damn low bar btw. If I deliver you an unrequested service it doesn't matter how awesome it is, you don't owe.

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Is that why you don't steal?
me - may be not. look at game and movie piracy - no punishment - lots of people do that, its still stealing.

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Have you noticed that people are still stealing even with the laws?
yes. but if there was no law there would be a lot more robbers/murderers than there are now
you have too much faith in people. A lot of people will scam/rob you if they could get away with it

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you do request the service by living in that country. if you dont like it you can ask the country to change it or leave
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January 22, 2012, 11:05:17 PM
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when you dont like your job you look for another job
when you dont like your country's laws you either find another country or make sure the laws are changed (which is improbable in the USA)
laws that dont allow ppl to gamble their moneys online are immoral so need to be ignored, why lose the time to change it ?


i am already in touch with mafia and they are much cheaper that the state, they got me speeding i give them 30% of the ticket and i move on, the only problem is this mafia have a monopoly its only provided by police, i need a approval of something i need a paper i pay and i get what i need i am already doing business with the mafia the only problem is the state who steals my income
it is immoral in your opinion - looks like most of the people in your country disagree - assuming its a democracy
you lose the time to change so you wont be sent to jail for doing it
you are welcome to deal with the mafia instead of the police - its your choice. just dont come QQing later if you get screwed by them
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January 22, 2012, 11:15:01 PM
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not paranoid, just trying to be a legitimate buisness

+1 , what's smarter?:  pushing the envelope to make a statement and losing out in the long run, or playing by the rules when necessary to better ensure more long-term survival?

This is the crux of the issue. Whether the laws are moral or right is irrelevant. It's a business and if they want continue putting food on the table they need to follow the regulations. 

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January 22, 2012, 11:21:28 PM
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you are welcome to deal with the mafia instead of the police - its your choice. just dont come QQing later if you get screwed by them
you dint get it did you, bribe is something new to you ?
no. that's why i said earlier that laws are sometimes misused
I never claimed the system is perfect, but it has its uses.
It definitely not this:
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law is a tool for that state to make delinquents, then put said delinquents on jail, then use the jailed man to scare old ladies

I think a lot of changes need to be made - but that doesn't give me the right to ignore the current laws. It gives me the responsibility to make sure the laws are changed.
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January 23, 2012, 04:29:39 AM
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Well, I'm really glad we spawned such a fascinating conversation about power and politics  Roll Eyes

Cypherdoc, you're on Comcast. Comcast's in America the last time I checked. @myself, in case you thought you were still in Karbombistan, you actually do have rights in America. For example, you have the right to remain silent; you have the right to an attorney. You have the right to complain loudly and to lobby your congressman about not being able to use a foreign casino website. But you won't. Because you say you want freedom of speech... but really you're too lazy to do anything other than bitch on a forum. Maybe you should bitch about the fact that you live in a fascist country. You just want convenience. So everybody else in the world should bend over backwards, take risks and break laws so you can do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it. But just wait. When those foreign law-breaking casinos run off with your money? It's "Boohoo I'm being censored" one day, and "Boohoo Mr. Policeman, those criminals took my money" tomorrow. Or else, "Oh no, my government shut down my favorite casino and they won't give me my money back. Guess I'll go back to watching Regis until the next idiots come along who I can gamble with for three months before my government shuts them down." Write a letter to your fuckin Attorney General. Tell him you're a victim of censorship. It's a free country they say, and stamps are cheap.

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January 23, 2012, 04:32:56 AM
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Well, I'm really glad we spawned such a fascinating conversation about power and politics  Roll Eyes

Cypherdoc, you're on Comcast. Comcast's in America the last time I checked. @myself, in case you thought you were still in Karbombistan, you actually do have rights in America. For example, you have the right to remain silent; you have the right to an attorney. You have the right to complain loudly and to lobby your congressman about not being able to use a foreign casino website. But you won't. Because you say you want freedom of speech... but really you're too lazy to do anything other than bitch on a forum. Maybe you should bitch about the fact that you live in a fascist country. You just want convenience. So everybody else in the world should bend over backwards, take risks and break laws so you can do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it.But just wait. When those foreign law-breaking casinos run off with your money? It's "Boohoo I'm being censored" one day, and "Boohoo Mr. Policeman, those criminals took my money" tomorrow. Or else, "Oh no, my government shut down my favorite casino and they won't give me my money back. Guess I'll go back to watching Regis until the next idiots come along who I can gamble with for three months before my government shuts them down." Write a letter to your fuckin Attorney General. Tell him you're a victim of censorship. It's a free country they say, and stamps are cheap.

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January 23, 2012, 04:43:50 AM
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BTW, @OP
if you go directly to Bitcoinica's IP with https://50.56.4.62 -- or any direct IP address that supports https, and proceed through the warning, your connection will still be encrypted even though the certificate ID isn't recognized by the browser. So even though it shows red on the lock, if you click the lock for details you should see that it's just a validity error, but that the encryption is working.

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January 23, 2012, 05:00:29 AM
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This DNS issue is old and has been discussed in other threads. I suggest changing your DNS.
Actually, this is NOT old, as the DNSSEC stuff just got fully implemented by Comcast as of January 10. Mostly, I was curious if Zhoutong had any input as to why his site would get blocked and what he could do to fix it. Instead, we got a massive tangent about politics and freedom. Well, guess what: I changed to Google's DNS servers and I can hit Bitcoinica again, but it still sucks that major ISPs are blocking this stuff.

And as an aside, I wrote to all three of my local representatives about SOPA/PIPA and told them the legislation sucked and I strongly opposed it. They all gave me political BS answers, including two who said something to the effect of, "the PROTECT IP Act (SOPA) has some serious problems; I've helped work on a better act called the OPEN Act that you should appreciate...." Well, I haven't looked into the OPEN Act yet, but I'm betting pretty heavily that by the time it reaches the senate floor, it too will be filled with garbage from the lobbyists of the world.

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January 23, 2012, 05:08:23 AM
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This DNS issue is old and has been discussed in other threads. I suggest changing your DNS.
Actually, this is NOT old, as the DNSSEC stuff just got fully implemented by Comcast as of January 10. Mostly, I was curious if Zhoutong had any input as to why his site wouldn't get blocked. Instead, we got a massive tangent about politics and freedom. Well, guess what: I changed to Google's DNS servers and I can hit Bitcoinica again, but it still sucks that major ISPs are blocking this stuff.

And as an aside, I wrote to all three of my local representatives about SOPA/PIPA and told them the legislation sucked and I strongly opposed it. They all gave me political BS answers, including two who said something to the effect of, "the PROTECT IP Act (SOPA) has some serious problems; I've helped work on a better act called the OPEN Act that you should appreciate...." Well, I haven't looked into the OPEN Act yet, but I'm betting pretty heavily that by the time it reaches the senate floor, it too will be filled with garbage from the lobbyists of the world.

Actually, I first had this issue with Comcast in mid-December.  I was not the first experience it either.  Comcast operates a huge network, and just because it didn't affect you until recently doesn't mean you know what happened to the rest of us.

The only path back to a free and open internet (we've already lost it in many respects, and the encroachment will continue without some form of government action), is to get back to a model where anyone can buy a pipe of a certain size and resell their bandwidth.  When we were on phone lines, the FCC required that companies allow you to resell bandwidth.  Cable lines fall under different regulations, and as such we have huge monopolies who are unable to address any legitimate technical issues of individual users.

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January 23, 2012, 05:09:27 AM
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This DNS issue is old and has been discussed in other threads. I suggest changing your DNS.
Actually, this is NOT old, as the DNSSEC stuff just got fully implemented by Comcast as of January 10. Mostly, I was curious if Zhoutong had any input as to why his site wouldn't get blocked. Instead, we got a massive tangent about politics and freedom. Well, guess what: I changed to Google's DNS servers and I can hit Bitcoinica again, but it still sucks that major ISPs are blocking this stuff.

And as an aside, I wrote to all three of my local representatives about SOPA/PIPA and told them the legislation sucked and I strongly opposed it. They all gave me political BS answers, including two who said something to the effect of, "the PROTECT IP Act (SOPA) has some serious problems; I've helped work on a better act called the OPEN Act that you should appreciate...." Well, I haven't looked into the OPEN Act yet, but I'm betting pretty heavily that by the time it reaches the senate floor, it too will be filled with garbage from the lobbyists of the world.

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January 23, 2012, 05:10:21 AM
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when you dont like your job you look for another job
when you dont like your country's laws you either find another country or make sure the laws are changed (which is improbable in the USA)
laws that dont allow ppl to gamble their moneys online are immoral so need to be ignored, why lose the time to change it ?


i am already in touch with mafia and they are much cheaper that the state, they got me speeding i give them 30% of the ticket and i move on, the only problem is this mafia have a monopoly its only provided by police, i need a approval of something i need a paper i pay and i get what i need i am already doing business with the mafia the only problem is the state who steals my income

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January 23, 2012, 05:25:26 AM
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The OPEN Act (H.R.3782) is interesting, and potentially relevant to bitcoin.  Instead of censoring things, the bill implements financial sanctions for such sites.  Of course, bitcoin breaks this entirely, but hopefully this will at least get them to leave the internet's core protocols alone for a while.

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January 23, 2012, 05:29:16 AM
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wow so this is why bitcoinica hasnt been loading for me!   Shocked

just installed openDNS screw comcast!
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January 23, 2012, 05:34:37 AM
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wow so this is why bitcoinica hasnt been loading for me!   Shocked

just installed openDNS screw comcast!

You don't have to install any software. You can use googles DNS so you just point your router or pc at 4.4.4.4 or 8.8.8.8
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January 23, 2012, 05:43:42 AM
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I have to think that this is all due to someone like from the thread of the year. Someone who was up a lot of money at bitcoinica and then got liquidated saying how much of a criminal zhou is. They probably wrote to the ISP and compelled them to remove the entry (or worked for Comcast). It would be interesting though if Zhou threatened legal action in retaliation for Comcast essentially removing his site from the internet.
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January 23, 2012, 05:51:36 AM
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but it still sucks that major ISPs are blocking this stuff.
Comcast doesn't block Bitcoinica. Comcast correctly obeys the DNSSEC records advertised by bitcoinica.com. The fault can be blamed either on Zhoutong or his DNS vendor, domaincontrol.com. Or maybe both of them.

Comcast not only cannot be blamed, but they should be praised: they don't resolve misconfigured domain names for their customers. The whole point of DNSSEC is to avoid the possibility of using fake domain name servers.

There is a small possibility that some people can't resolve bitcoinica.com due to the problem in their equipment: some of it crashes/chokes/hangs upon seeing type 43 or type 46 DNS records or IPv6 DNS servers advertised by Bitcoinica.

I posted about this about a week ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42267.msg688795#msg688795 .
Since then I tested this on several known working setups and I'm positive that the fault is due to Zhoutong's or his DNS vendor's misconfiguration.

As a temporary workaround you can put:

50.56.4.62 bitcoinica.com

in /etc/hosts or C:\WINOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts .

Please comment, critique, criticize or ridicule BIP 2112: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54382.0
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January 23, 2012, 06:30:56 AM
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I have to think that this is all due to someone like from the thread of the year. Someone who was up a lot of money at bitcoinica and then got liquidated saying how much of a criminal zhou is. They probably wrote to the ISP and compelled them to remove the entry (or worked for Comcast). It would be interesting though if Zhou threatened legal action in retaliation for Comcast essentially removing his site from the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleep_of_Reason_Produces_Monsters

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January 23, 2012, 02:53:45 PM
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I apologize for this technical issue. Apparently 3% of global DNS servers couldn't resolve bitcoinica.com properly due to DNSSEC settings.

I have investigated into this issue carefully and found that the problem was with the DNS provider we are using. They stopped signing for DNSSEC after a recent domain transfer out of GoDaddy.

I have fixed the problem now and the domain is being signed again. Comcast users, please verify that you're able to access bitcoinica.com.

Again, sorry for the issues that cause constant troubles. And thumbs up to Comcast, because one of their engineers sent us the detailed problem trace and assisted us in the resolution.

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January 23, 2012, 03:32:27 PM
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I have to think that this is all due to someone like from the thread of the year. Someone who was up a lot of money at bitcoinica and then got liquidated saying how much of a criminal zhou is. They probably wrote to the ISP and compelled them to remove the entry (or worked for Comcast). It would be interesting though if Zhou threatened legal action in retaliation for Comcast essentially removing his site from the internet.

Take a deep breath. A little paranoia around recent events is to be expected so it is helpful to know that and keep it in bounds.

As it turns out the technical explanation is reasonable, DNSSEC is working the way it is supposed to work. Are you ready for IPV6?  Smiley

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January 23, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
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I apologize for this technical issue. Apparently 3% of global DNS servers couldn't resolve bitcoinica.com properly due to DNSSEC settings.

I have investigated into this issue carefully and found that the problem was with the DNS provider we are using. They stopped signing for DNSSEC after a recent domain transfer out of GoDaddy.

I have fixed the problem now and the domain is being signed again. Comcast users, please verify that you're able to access bitcoinica.com.

Again, sorry for the issues that cause constant troubles. And thumbs up to Comcast, because one of their engineers sent us the detailed problem trace and assisted us in the resolution.

It works!
Code:
$ dig @75.75.75.75 bitcoinica.com

; <<>> DiG 9.7.3-P3 <<>> @75.75.75.75 bitcoinica.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 48531
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;bitcoinica.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
bitcoinica.com. 3600 IN A 50.56.4.62

;; Query time: 151 msec
;; SERVER: 75.75.75.75#53(75.75.75.75)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 23 09:12:08 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 48
$ dig @8.8.8.8 bitcoinica.com

; <<>> DiG 9.7.3-P3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 bitcoinica.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19751
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;bitcoinica.com. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
bitcoinica.com. 515 IN A 50.56.4.62

;; Query time: 21 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Mon Jan 23 09:13:03 2012
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 48

Dunno why the query time is so bad, but it resolves now.

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