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May 13, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
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One of the most exciting technologies that build on top of Bitcoin is called Colored Coins and it launched Today with Coinprism, a web based wallet that brings Colored Coins and the Open Assets open source protocol to life.

Colored Coins allows users to take small fractions of bitcoins and add a secondary value to them. In practice this lets people create new assets and use Bitcoin's network to secure and trade these assets. This simple idea opens up a wide range of possibilities.

For example you can start a company and let Colored Coins represent the ownership of the business. Your investors can trade their Colored Coins representing your business easily as easily as if they were sending bitcoins.

Exchanges can create Colored Coins dollars that will represent real dollars and people will be able to send each other these dollars easily to avoid any possible volatility of Bitcoin. Today sending fiat currencies is expensive, restrictive and/or slow. Soon it will cost as little and will be as fast as sending Bitcoins.

Colored Coins can also represent precious metals, property and can be used for marketing purposes by multinational companies that need a frictionless global currency that works online and in mobile apps.

How does Colored Coins affect Bitcoin?

Colored coins make Bitcoin's network and bitcoins themselves more valuable because it adds a significant new functionality.

Widespread use of Colored Coins would have two main effects on Bitcoin:

  • Increase in demand for bitcoins, because you have to have BTC in order to manage and send your Colored Coins around.
  • Increase the number of small BTC transactions. This will put a pressure on the Bitcoin network, but it will also generate more income in fees for miners.

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May 13, 2014, 10:26:28 PM
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Is there a white paper that explains the colored-coins accounting protocol that you can link us to?

EDIT: found it myself: https://github.com/OpenAssets/open-assets-protocol/blob/master/specification.mediawiki

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May 13, 2014, 10:33:36 PM
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I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?
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May 13, 2014, 10:44:49 PM
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Question:

I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?
When the apple is eaten, the counterparty assigns it to another apple or recolors it.

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May 13, 2014, 10:48:32 PM
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Question:

I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?
When the apple is eaten, the counterparty assigns it to another apple or recolors it.

So for clarity, the buyer destroys the coin upon taking possession of the apple? or only after the apple has been eaten?
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or do they just keep both apple and coin and who cares if the apple has been eaten, we're not buying it back.
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May 13, 2014, 10:49:33 PM
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Question:

I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?
When the apple is eaten, the counterparty assigns it to another apple or recolors it.

So for clarity, the buyer destroys the coin upon taking possession of the apple? or only after the apple has been eaten?

The colored coin was an apple future. He exchanged it for the apple.

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May 13, 2014, 10:52:55 PM
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ok. So when I give the apple he sends me back the applecoin.

What happens next? Do I destroy it?

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I want to be honest in representing the number of apples I have
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May 13, 2014, 11:00:25 PM
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NXT also released similar technology recently called Asset Exchange.  They have virtually no marketing budget so there isn't as much fanfare.  It does work well though.

https://nxtforum.org/asset-exchange-62/how-to-make-your-own-local-fiat-exchange-with-nxt-ae/

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May 13, 2014, 11:00:37 PM
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Let's say I want to grow an apple tree. I need money for fertilizer, insecticide, and water. I can supply the seed, the land, and the labor. So to raise money for this venture I sell applecoins* expecting to get a yield of 1000 apples in a season (we have fast growing trees). I sell 100 colored coins to cover those costs and will give each colored coin owner 5% of the yield rounded down to the nearest whole apple and then will offer a discount on apple pie to the applecoin holders as well. To redeem the colored coins for the apples, you must send them back to me.

*screw you Apple, Inc.

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May 13, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
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ok. So when I give the apple he sends me back the applecoin.

What happens next? Do I destroy it?

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I want to be honest in representing the number of apples I have

Colored coins are IOUs so it is always possible for the issuer to misrepresent the underlying assets.  It's up to you to ensure that the IOUs outstanding is reasonable based on your ability to deliver.  This is not a bad thing, as you may be a very trustworthy apple producer and always honour convertibility of the the apple-IOUs into real apples.  

However, if you suspend redemptions in the future because you were operating a fractional reserve apple farm and there was a "run on your apples," then the value of the apple-IOUs outstanding will fall below the market value of other apples of commensurate quality.  Your customers who were regularly buying apple IOUs from you (effectively futures contracts which helped you pay to grow the apples) may not want to purchase from you anymore and this would hurt your business.  

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May 13, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
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coinprism is 100% premine right?
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May 13, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
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coinprism is 100% premine right?
Coinprism is only a wallet. You supply the bitcoins to fund your IOUs.

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May 13, 2014, 11:48:23 PM
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coinprism is 100% premine right?
Coinprism is only a wallet. You supply the bitcoins to fund your IOUs.

Right--talking about "premine" doesn't even make sense.  The coloring process is a tool that any bitcoin user can use to create IOUs or digital representations of other assets.  It is the "pen and paper" to create the IOUs, not the IOUs themselves.  If you want to create your own IOUs by coloring coins, there is nothing to buy so long as you have a small amount of bitcoins.  

These are not some new foo-coin, they are simply a new way to use bitcoins and the blockchain ledger.  If colored coins become popular, then it will help to increase the demand to hold bitcoins.  


EDIT: coinprism is like a paintbrush for coloring your bitcoins.  Uncolored bitcoins go in (white light) and all sorts of colors can come out:


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May 14, 2014, 01:04:45 AM
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it seems the announcement is premature. the site is not working yet

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May 14, 2014, 01:34:13 AM
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This is huge. This is the "killer app" people have been waiting for. If you aren't familiar with the colored coins concept it would definitley be worth your time to do a you tube search. Make some coffee before you start.

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May 14, 2014, 04:27:31 AM
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Question:

I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?

You can technically release any number of colored coins to represent your apples.

If you sell a Colored Coin you're not supposed to eat the apple which is the physical representation of your coins. You must reserve it in case somebody wants the apple in return for the coin.

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May 14, 2014, 04:29:19 AM
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ok. So when I give the apple he sends me back the applecoin.

What happens next? Do I destroy it?

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I want to be honest in representing the number of apples I have

Yes, if he exchanges his coins for an apple you're supposed to destroy the coin regardless if he eats it or not. Because you don't have the asset to back up the coin anymore.

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May 14, 2014, 04:30:13 AM
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coinprism is 100% premine right?

Colored Coins are 100% 'premine'. Coinprism is the name of the wallet that creates and holds the Colored Coins.

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May 14, 2014, 04:34:10 AM
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Let's say I want to grow an apple tree. I need money for fertilizer, insecticide, and water. I can supply the seed, the land, and the labor. So to raise money for this venture I sell applecoins* expecting to get a yield of 1000 apples in a season (we have fast growing trees). I sell 100 colored coins to cover those costs and will give each colored coin owner 5% of the yield rounded down to the nearest whole apple and then will offer a discount on apple pie to the applecoin holders as well. To redeem the colored coins for the apples, you must send them back to me.

*screw you Apple, Inc.

That's a good business model. Especially the Apple pie part. Smiley

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May 14, 2014, 04:35:02 AM
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Question:

I'm a farmer and have 100 apples. Am i correct in that I can issue 100 shares for my apples?

When I sell an apple colored coin what happens to the coin when the apple is eaten? Does the time-stamp just act like a receipt?
When the apple is eaten, the counterparty assigns it to another apple or recolors it.

So for clarity, the buyer destroys the coin upon taking possession of the apple? or only after the apple has been eaten?

The colored coin was an apple future. He exchanged it for the apple.

He's not describing a futures contract, he's describing a voucher.  Just use Groupon if you want to sell vouchers
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