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May 19, 2014, 05:04:21 PM
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Just what it says. There's talk that there could be opportunities to build a brand-new society on another world in the near future (I won't go into details here but it looks like it could happen). What would you do if you were basically dumped on another planet with a few of your buddies and told to survive, and you decide that it's a prime opportunity to build a new society?
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May 19, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
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Just what it says. There's talk that there could be opportunities to build a brand-new society on another world in the near future (I won't go into details here but it looks like it could happen). What would you do if you were basically dumped on another planet with a few of your buddies and told to survive, and you decide that it's a prime opportunity to build a new society?

I'd make it so that no-one could erect a fence (and claim the space enclosed within for themselves). That would be a good start I reckon. Then we'd all be in it together from the off.
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May 19, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
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make it mandatory for young kids to meditate in school, from a young age. that shit will go a long way in helping people become fully responsible adults. it's been proven to develop certain parts of the brain, such as the part that makes you unfeeling for others (sociopaths).
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May 19, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
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Just what it says. There's talk that there could be opportunities to build a brand-new society on another world in the near future (I won't go into details here but it looks like it could happen). What would you do if you were basically dumped on another planet with a few of your buddies and told to survive, and you decide that it's a prime opportunity to build a new society?

All laws, taxes and government units would have EXPIRATION DATES. Nothing longer then 10 years. If it is a good law it will be re passed. They would not be done all at once or grouped together either. 


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May 19, 2014, 08:34:08 PM
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Remove money. Everything is done with a barter system or volunteering for the better of the community. Focus on technological innovation to do two things: automate all mundane jobs to free humanity to be creative, and to advance our space-faring capabilities. Minimal government to ensure people don't go murdering each other etc, otherwise stay out of the way.

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
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May 20, 2014, 03:32:24 AM
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I want details unless you mean Mars One.
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May 20, 2014, 04:19:33 AM
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Remove money. Everything is done with a barter system or volunteering for the better of the community. Focus on technological innovation to do two things: automate all mundane jobs to free humanity to be creative, and to advance our space-faring capabilities.

Why the handicap?

Minimal government to ensure people don't go murdering each other etc, otherwise stay out of the way.

When has this ever worked?  Both the part about a government staying minimal, and actually stopping people from murdering each other.

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May 20, 2014, 04:38:31 AM
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1st rule, there are no rules just traditions
2nd rule, see the first rule

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May 20, 2014, 04:49:44 AM
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I would probably play a few different simulation games like Civilization and try to optimize society based on the best parts of each civilization in history.
Might even separate areas to experiment with different ideas example China and Hong Kong two systems but one country but pushed further to one specializing in avionics and space development the other country agriculture and deep seafaring technologies.
Try different legal procedures and different laws within countries such as difference between Civil and Common Law or Even Sharia  and develop a system based on all three but using the best of it.
And have fun with society set minimum working age in different countries one 10 one 12 one 14 one 16 one 18
Same with consent and marriage
Then try different types of education systems classic example focus on math in asian countries focus on general arts and creative thinking in Western countries
Play with subsidization in some countries and remove it in others and see how people adapt and where they become the most creative since the brain is more malleable when young does it make sense to be innovative at a younger age and have people learn at older ages or is it better for education to be taught as it is and for the big wigs and corporate structure to be old and unchanging slow to innovate.
Goes into environmental structure so developing the right structure is worth a reanalysis to find and discover the best optimization settings.
Then Try developing a tech paradise in one city and an ecological efficient sustainable city in another.
Rebuild the internet make a mesh-net that uses computing power to try and develop plasma based engines and do formulas that would take significant man time but can be replaced with processing, aka organize big datasets into something useful like is being done with medical research
Replace oil energy with geothermal energy in the long run with solar becoming more efficient and using less energy in the production process
First by sticking rods around Volcanos then finding better processes to acquire the earths internal core temperature
Then using magnetic fields try to utilize that energy into a low density field to store energy since our current systems are limited by live current basically we can't store energy in signifcant amounts to solve that we need to concentrate energy for long durations of time. (Hard light) etc.
Develop new storage systems using DNA sequences to maximize the writing of data
Overall resulting in a bit of a mad scientist as I try to develop cryogenics in my quest for immortality and then creating an interactive virtual world that allows time to pass by faster in it than outside it example 1000 hours in VR is 1 day in reality allowing for more time to develop the outside society within a single human lifetime.

Oh some of this exists already but making scale and improving it is the goal Smiley
http://gameslikefinder.com/games-like-civilization/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleability_of_intelligence
www.reed.edu/~mab/papers/fletcher.ab96.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person%E2%80%93environment_fit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_energy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_digital_data_storage
http://accelworld.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_Burst
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May 20, 2014, 02:17:14 PM
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I want details unless you mean Mars One.

Yes. I mean Mars One. Mostly I was just curious about what everybody thought about creating a brand-new society where our children and grandchildren will have to live with the consequences of the decisions we make now.
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May 20, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
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I would create a military society like sparta, clone millions of new soldiers. Create enterprise ships from asteroids then conquer and unite earth under one rule.
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May 22, 2014, 11:10:20 AM
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I will see to it all is treated as one and teach everyone to treat all in the world as his/her own.

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May 22, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
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Nothing will change.

The nature is harsh and competition is the only way to preserve "desire" trait of human/species.

Natural selection is just doing its job to weed out the inflexible.



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May 22, 2014, 06:12:19 PM
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accept bitcoin, legalize weed and prostitution (to attract tourists), enjoy the benefits Cheesy

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May 22, 2014, 11:48:50 PM
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I want details unless you mean Mars One.

Yes. I mean Mars One. Mostly I was just curious about what everybody thought about creating a brand-new society where our children and grandchildren will have to live with the consequences of the decisions we make now.
I'd make it kind of like Canada. Free health care, moderate taxes, and diversity.

Currency would be a custom crypto (Maybe), and I'd set up mandatory work requirements unless seriously disabled or sick, but those requirements can have an optional overtime, chosen individually.

I'm not sure what could be used to help the economy... Depends on geography.

I have to think about what else.
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May 23, 2014, 01:28:40 AM
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Reward system for right-doing versus punishment for wrong-doing...
So you turn the current 'person of interest' type mass spying operation from one being targeted at precrimes, and convert it to a system that rewards people with bitcoin who go through their day without either breaking the law or generally being an arsehole...maybe a weekly lottery of all those caught on surveillance doing good, 10 winners a week, 500 satoshi each...

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May 23, 2014, 02:59:08 AM
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Too many people are focusing on the political system of the new society.  The reality is that the political system will end up reflecting the population's inherent nature, sooner or later.

The solution is to carefully select your people.  Good genetics = good society.  Whatever traits you want society to have make sure that they are abundant in your founding stock.  Additionally you will want a sense of community, so make sure to select a small number of people, so that eventually everyone will have some sort of family connection to everyone else.  I might go with as few as 64 founders, assuming that we would have rapid population growth to cope with inbreeding concerns, though I would probably double or triple that just to be safe.  If population couldn't grow then I would select about 3000 founders.

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May 23, 2014, 07:53:37 AM
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Remove money. Everything is done with a barter system or volunteering for the better of the community. Focus on technological innovation to do two things: automate all mundane jobs to free humanity to be creative, and to advance our space-faring capabilities.

Why the handicap?

Minimal government to ensure people don't go murdering each other etc, otherwise stay out of the way.

When has this ever worked?  Both the part about a government staying minimal, and actually stopping people from murdering each other.

All of the upthread comments are nonsense.

There is nothing you could do to make the new civilization have an outcome any different than the one we have already.

Read from the linked post on down to end of thread to educate yourselves:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg6864704#msg6864704

I live in a world of very dumb men. Sigh.  Roll Eyes

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May 23, 2014, 08:50:59 AM
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Nothing will change.

The nature is harsh and competition is the only way to preserve "desire" trait of human/species.

Natural selection is just doing its job to weed out the inflexible.





I disagree, we are bubble wrapping the planet to cater to idiots.  We need to take the safety devices off and let nature run its course. I agree that nothing will change though.  Humans are too greedy of a species.

We are quickly hitting a point of no return. Every species has an expiration date, and lets face it, humans are starting to smell.
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May 23, 2014, 12:07:46 PM
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Nature is running its course. See the revolutions and riots increasing all over the globe. Man is only under the illusion he is in control.

The herd will soon be culled.

Humanity will survive as long as there is an attainable frontier to reset the cycle from. Then repeat the hamster wheel collective madness again anew.

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