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May 27, 2014, 08:47:45 PM
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no one institution or group of people have complete ownership on corruption and greed... except for the human race. ancaps seem to think that "government" is the lowest common denominator, but it's actually just human nature.

Human nature is malleable.

yeah but so what? so he the role of government. either way, government and human nature are collectively fucked up.

What do you mean, "so what"?  Are you okay with the world is today?  Because obviously you think it's fucked up, and so do I.  So how do you fix it?  As I said, human nature is malleable, so if you seek a better world, you have to raise better humans.  Where does this primarily occur?  In parenting.  When parents raise their children peacefully and rationally, you get a generation of peaceful, rational children.  What do peaceful, rational children do?  They play nicely: they share, they don't hit, they don't lie, they respect each other's things.  Which system is a mirror of these values?  Anarchism and capitalism: statism necessitates a violation of property rights, and socialism (the "property is theft" sort) necessitates a violation of property rights, and people who will not put up with this support neither; because people today are raised constantly having their property violated, e.g. spanking, time-out, having things taken from them, on and on, these values are mirrored in the state: you have an entity which can punish, put in prison, and take things away such as taxes, and you have individuals who have to put up with it for the good of society.  It's a mirror; modern government is an extension of "human nature", as are all forms of social organization, including Anarcho-Capitalism.  So: who adheres to AnCap beliefs?  People who are going to raise their children peacefully and rationally, who will fix this world and shape a culture which doesn't accept where the world is going now.

I'm pointing out that your observations are shallow and your intentions are worthless, if you've yet to catch on.

well i didn't quite get the context, i thought you were making a point against what i originally said. i support better parenting and all that, but it's not really in my power to affect how people and parents teach their kids, especially if they are part of the group of people who are fucked up.
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May 27, 2014, 09:20:22 PM
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"Fidel lived like a King" etc etc - Fidel Castro is a king.

Did he siphon money from the people of Cuba that he might live off the fat of the land ?   No he didn't - and if you are trying to suggest that he might have then you are a gullible stooge willingly swallowing the US imperialist bilge that is routinely fed to you.

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May 27, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
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What to expect, he conquer Cuba.

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May 27, 2014, 11:29:15 PM
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I respect Fidel Castro and I think he is a great politician.

Just some western propaganda probably from Florida where all the runaways went after their gambling casinos were expropriated and the Mafia got screwed over in Havana.
I agree Castro did a good job considering how many times the CIA wanted to assassinate him its a damn good run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/638_Ways_to_Kill_Castro
OH and he had ICBM's in Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis just as an aside
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May 28, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
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Wow...a lot of pro-socialists lately.

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May 28, 2014, 02:07:49 PM
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The leaders of any country get into top by fooling the population.
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May 28, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
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I don't like the cuban regime, but doesn't mean it hasn't do some good things, even if it is a poor country under brutal american sanctions.
Check cuban education levels, health system, kids mortality, etc, and compare them with Latin-American states in the seventies, eighties and nineties. Or even today.

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May 28, 2014, 08:39:20 PM
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Wow...a lot of pro-socialists lately.

Doesn't Dogecoin have its own forum?

you sir, sound like an ancap extremist. not everyone has to say things that you agree with.. it doesn't make you a bad guy to concede that castro did some good things. i don't know if anyone here is calling him a saint, they are just saying he has done some good.

while i'm not a big supporter of socialism, i don't think anarcho-capitalism is any better.
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May 28, 2014, 09:18:15 PM
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Wow...a lot of pro-socialists lately.

Doesn't Dogecoin have its own forum?

you sir, sound like an ancap extremist. not everyone has to say things that you agree with.. it doesn't make you a bad guy to concede that castro did some good things. i don't know if anyone here is calling him a saint, they are just saying he has done some good.

while i'm not a big supporter of socialism, i don't think anarcho-capitalism is any better.

Same position, considering his circumstances he did the best he could, not always the ideal but he adapted to circumstances.
The whole period after the end of Russian support at the end of the cold war destroyed the economy.

But Castro did try to fix it with increasing tourism and making new alliances with Latin American countries
All while facing that US boycott of Cuba that every other country abandoned years ago and said interference that comes with that.
Even the UN has been condemning them the USA for its boycott since 1992 end of Cold War.

That said I do credit Cuba with some creative ideas to address food problems like Organopónicos and making do even with the economic problems they face. The tourist money and differences in wealth is a problem in that country but the resolution requires time, and economic development.
We can compare it to China in that sense.

At the least they provide free high quality education, Cuban doctors are in high demand and trusted for a reason, and they do practice preventive healthcare not just the standard type, like in the Western countries.
Only humans they can't be perfect or a super robot (Except in Robot Chicken XD)
http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/dance-dance-revolucion.html
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73f8-47a2-a5bd-f839adf50488/amr250072009eng.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2315760

So there is an extreme and then a step in the right direction to seeing the whole issue.
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May 28, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
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Anarchism is that lovely political system no one knows what it means, but some of its defenders (specially, on the beginning of the XX century) did knew how to get it, bombing their way on.

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