Russians boycotting US food industry.

[Nemo1024]

Russia says could replace any Western food sanctions from elsewhere

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/ukraine-crisis-food-idUSL6N0NH1TC20140425

Russia will get the cheese and meat from somewhere else, while the farmers in Poland and Lithuania will lose their market.

Both sides could replace the others products.  Consumers in both nations will have higher prices.  The least replaceable item on both sides is aerospace products as the lead time to manufacture is long.  Russia buys US planes from Boeing, the USA buys rocket engines.  Neither is easily replaced. 

I would very much prefer if Russia didn't import 6th hand Boeings (not from US, but rather from Latin America and Africa by companies, that are after making a quick buck), which are about to fall apart. Russia has many great construction bureaus, Tupolev and Iljushin, are just to biggest, and they should be further developed.

As for Western companies, I prefer Airbus in terms of cabin comfort: air quality, pressure, ventilation. Whenever I fly, I choose companies that use Airbus....

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[Littleshop]

Russia says could replace any Western food sanctions from elsewhere

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/ukraine-crisis-food-idUSL6N0NH1TC20140425

Russia will get the cheese and meat from somewhere else, while the farmers in Poland and Lithuania will lose their market.

Both sides could replace the others products.  Consumers in both nations will have higher prices.  The least replaceable item on both sides is aerospace products as the lead time to manufacture is long.  Russia buys US planes from Boeing, the USA buys rocket engines.  Neither is easily replaced. 

I would very much prefer if Russia didn't import 6th hand Boeings (not from US, but rather from Latin America and Africa by companies, that are after making a quick buck), which are about to fall apart. Russia has many great construction bureaus, Tupolev and Iljushin, are just to biggest, and they should be further developed.

As for Western companies, I prefer Airbus in terms of cabin comfort: air quality, pressure, ventilation. Whenever I fly, I choose companies that use Airbus....

I prefer specific planes not specific companies knowing there are planes that are to me more comfortable than others.  Specifically the A380, B747 and the B777 and looking forward to the A350.  I hate flying on A320 or B737's but still have to. 

While 6'th hand Boeings are certainly less safe then newer planes, it shows how well Boeings stand up.  It is well known that Boeings in general are built tougher then Airbus but also because of that tend to use more fuel.

[countryfree]

I bet the balance remains in favor of the US.

I don't know how many Russians eat American food, but I'm sure there are far less Americans eating Russian food. Come to think of it, I guess the only Russian product available in the U.S. is Vodka (but Swedish vodka is better). Russian food hardly exists outside Russia.

I'd be cruel, I'd talk about Russian cars.

Russia exports a lot of food products to the United States and the European Union. The most important of those products is the Caviar (including Beluga, Sterlet, Ossetra, and Sevruga).

The Russians eat far more US food then vice versa.  Most of the US imports from Russia are petroleum products.  

Thanks for this data. I guess I was wrong and right at the same time. The balance is in favor of Russia, but if I go to an American mall, I won't find any Russian-made product. This country doesn't make any consumer product an American would like. Caviar? Come on, I'm having caviar less than once a year, and I'm living well. Most of mankind doesn't know what caviar is.

[bryant.coleman]

Thanks for this data. I guess I was wrong and right at the same time. The balance is in favor of Russia, but if I go to an American mall, I won't find any Russian-made product. This country doesn't make any consumer product an American would like. Caviar? Come on, I'm having caviar less than once a year, and I'm living well. Most of mankind doesn't know what caviar is.

Most of mankind doesn't know what caviar is, but many of the millionaires and billionaires won't be able to live without it.   And it is not that affordable either. A 9 Oz tin (255 grams) of Russian Volga Reserve Ossetra Caviar costs some $2,000 - 2,500. The Beluga caviar costs even more.

[bitsmichel]

Thanks for this data. I guess I was wrong and right at the same time. The balance is in favor of Russia, but if I go to an American mall, I won't find any Russian-made product. This country doesn't make any consumer product an American would like. Caviar? Come on, I'm having caviar less than once a year, and I'm living well. Most of mankind doesn't know what caviar is.

Its not entirely true, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_developed_in_Russia Of course Tetris is a very popular example, but there are others.

[bryant.coleman]

Right now, the sanctions are having zero effect.

Russian trade with EU, US ‘unaffected’ by sanctions — deputy economy minister

http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/732783

[TaunSew]

Right now, the sanctions are having zero effect.

Russian trade with EU, US ‘unaffected’ by sanctions — deputy economy minister

http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/732783

Sanctions had no affect on Italy, before WW2.  Likewise Iran and North Korea still stand to this day.

The USSR was fairly autonomous during the Cold War, except in agriculture and that was due to scale.  That still largely reigns true today but Russia's wheat import is diversified and most of it is coming from other continents.

[bryant.coleman]

The USSR was fairly autonomous during the Cold War, except in agriculture and that was due to scale.  That still largely reigns true today but Russia's wheat import is diversified and most of it is coming from other continents.

Russia's wheat imports? Russia is a net exporter of wheat, and not an importer.

[TaunSew]

The USSR was fairly autonomous during the Cold War, except in agriculture and that was due to scale.  That still largely reigns true today but Russia's wheat import is diversified and most of it is coming from other continents.

Russia's wheat imports? Russia is a net exporter of wheat, and not an importer.

That is a map of trade volume, not production and internal consumption.  What I said, previously, is correct.

http://paulgregorysblog.blogspot.ca/2010/09/mystery-of-russian-grain-exports-its.html

There are other links which I can dig up.  The Russians consume more wheat than they domestically produce.  The reason Russia has export volume in wheat is from reselling wheat (purchased abroad) to the Chinese / Japanese who pay a premium for it.

[bryant.coleman]

That is a map of trade volume, not production and internal consumption.  What I said, previously, is correct.

http://paulgregorysblog.blogspot.ca/2010/09/mystery-of-russian-grain-exports-its.html

My source is not some crappy blog. Check the industry data:

http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publications/Grain%20and%20Feed%20Annual_Moscow_Russian%20Federation_3-27-2012.pdf
http://www.informaecon.com/SovEconSample2.pdf

Russia total wheat production is 52 million tonnes, while the consumption is 35.5 million tonnes.

For all the cereals (wheat, barley.etc), the total production is 94 million tonnes, and the consumption is 70 million tonnes.

[Lethn]

I wish you'd use maths and data like that in all your arguments lol

[sana8410]

China is making the maximum use out of the opportunities.

China ready to replace EU investors in Russia if more sanctions follow

http://rt.com/news/161104-sanction-eu-russia-china/

China will eat up Russia just like a cancer the same as they are doing in Africa and some South American companies.
"the yellow race will rule the world" as all the religion books say. Russians tough and brutal, Chinese silent assassin

[Balthazar]

China will eat up Russia just like a cancer the same as they are doing in Africa and some South American companies.

Not only China doing this. Russia doing the same, they're closing old african debts in exchange for rights to mineral deposits development and shares in african companies.

[bryant.coleman]

China will eat up Russia just like a cancer the same as they are doing in Africa and some South American companies.
"the yellow race will rule the world" as all the religion books say. Russians tough and brutal, Chinese silent assassin

lol... Russia is too big for China to eat up all at once. Anyway... right now China needs Russia's oil and gas, while Putin needs China's US Dollar reserves. Let's see how far the cooperation goes. 

[TaunSew]

China will eat up Russia just like a cancer the same as they are doing in Africa and some South American companies.
"the yellow race will rule the world" as all the religion books say. Russians tough and brutal, Chinese silent assassin

lol... Russia is too big for China to eat up all at once. Anyway... right now China needs Russia's oil and gas, while Putin needs China's US Dollar reserves. Let's see how far the cooperation goes.  

I don't think China will eat anyone up.  There's money to be made but I doubt any Chinese want to live in Africa or Russia in the long term.  There's areas of China more developed than Russia now.  It's like convincing Americans to goto Guatemala for work.

 There are many Chinese who came to America, Australia and Canada in the 1970s / 1980s and many of their children are now returning to Hong Kong and other Chinese cities - why?  There's more opportunity in China for educated people and more things to do.  Economy is sucking hard in Australia / Americas and all you do is get fat in the suburbs.


Chinese living in Africa?  You do know that Angola is more expensive than China?  Launda is more expensive than Hong Kong (never mind China has tons of cheap cities with good jobs these days).

 What living space?!  A Chinese standard of living is more expensive in Africa than it is in China.  

Mind you it's a Communist Government, maybe they'll chain the Chinese labourers to poles in the cargo holds like it's the slave trade but in reverse.    

[bryant.coleman]

There is a huge gap in the child sex ratio in China. There are something like 1,200 males for every 1,000 females, in the 0-14 age group. It will be better for China to export this excess male population to places like Angola, in order to prevent social unrest in the future.

[TaunSew]

There is a huge gap in the child sex ratio in China. There are something like 1,200 males for every 1,000 females, in the 0-14 age group. It will be better for China to export this excess male population to places like Angola, in order to prevent social unrest in the future.

No, as I said before most of Africa is too expensive in relative to China.  To live first world and second lifestyles can be extremely expensive in third world countries.

Though the 1200 males for every 1000 females is nothing - we've had those conditions in the west for very long times, especially in blue collar mining towns and mining towns haven't had any noticeable unrest in eons (if there's unrest then it's over work conditions, not a lack of p00sy).  Supposedly there are cities in China with a gender imbalance and there's no doom.


  No wives means more disposable income so the guys would just spend their money on hookers, drugs and ATVs.  It's what guys are already doing in Perth and Edmonton.  I think you all underestimate how expensive children and *especially* wives can be.

The women always cause the most.    Eating out, shoes and purses adds up..

[bryant.coleman]

No wives means more disposable income so the guys would just spend their money on hookers, drugs and ATVs.  It's what guys are already doing in Perth and Edmonton.  I think you all underestimate how expensive children and *especially* wives can be.

The lack of family can result in an upswing in the crime rates, and complete breakdown of the social fabric. Also, in future, that will mean that there are less and less tax payers to combat the increase in the population of the elderly.

[TaunSew]

No wives means more disposable income so the guys would just spend their money on hookers, drugs and ATVs.  It's what guys are already doing in Perth and Edmonton.  I think you all underestimate how expensive children and *especially* wives can be.

The lack of family can result in an upswing in the crime rates, and complete breakdown of the social fabric. Also, in future, that will mean that there are less and less tax payers to combat the increase in the population of the elderly.

I'm not familiar with any of those studies, at least on a global basis.  I think the studies you refer to were conducted in impoverished neighborhoods in the US where single mothers and/or divorce is prevalent and a lack of family is being blamed for being the cause in crime and social upheaval (chicken before the egg hypothesis).

In Japan's case - you have a huge generation of "Grass Eaters" now, men not in relationships, not married and without kids and there's no explosion in crime.

At least with the oil towns that I know about - while the stories of crime and cocaine are exaggerated, on a per capita basis (percentage) they're generally no different (if not slightly safer) than normal cities.  There's many cities in the United States like Chicago which are "no go zones" for normal humans, how could oil towns be worse?

Though you are correct about the tax base.  The biggest economic spenders tend to be women and thus they're overrepresented in consumer tax and real estate tax revenue and those two would plummet in a hypothetical bachelor society (hence why some countries in the past had "bachelor taxes" to make up for the loss).  As well, without women and children, men can also retire earlier and thus that's a loss in overall income tax base.

[kuroman]

One person with a piece of carton board written on it to boycott US of A products does make whole Russia boycotting US product ? hmm, how is this even credible unless I missed some news where the population or a good portion of it is doing this

And again such call from a Russian population stand point is understandable, with all the aggressiveness toward their country being it from Media, or real acts like sanction to their industry, banks and companies by the US