Darkwallet - Taunting the gov regulators.. hmmm is it really a good idea

[odolvlobo]

Anarchism = is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.

I thought Anarchism came from Anarchy? As per Dictionary >>>
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anarchy
a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.

As you can see, "anarchy" is not the same as "anarchism". Similar is some ways, but not the same.

[ranlo]

It's a bad idea to openly proclaim your altcoin's purpose is money laundering and black market use though it obviously makes for good marketing. Should they one day wind up in court on bogus charges of laundering conspiracy the overzealous fed prosecutors will use all these quotes to drive nails into their coffin like they did Weev. I just hope these guy's aren't stupid enough to launch a black market themselves to bootstrap their coin because they will be under microscope.

This is pretty much how I feel as well. The purpose of coins should be pressing towards the good uses, rather than the bad. Sure, they can be used for laundering and drugs, but so can cash. It doesn't mean everyone advertises cash as being for illegal purposes. We need to focus on positives of coins to help spread adoption.

[Beliathon]

Anarchism = is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.

I thought Anarchism came from Anarchy? As per Dictionary >>>
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anarchy
a state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.

As you can see, "anarchy" is not the same as "anarchism". Similar is some ways, but not the same.

"The measure of the state’s success is that the word anarchy frightens people, while the word state does not. We are like those African slaves who believe that their master is their benefactor, or those Russians who still believe that Stalin was their guardian."
-Joseph Sobran

Most fundamentally, anarchism is about the belief that human beings are inherently compassionate creatures, and that we can do better than capitalism.
We DO NOT need armed men, coercion, deception, and violence to organize ourselves and distribute resources in a way that benefits everyone.

Homo Sapiens are not chimps. We are Bonobos. We are hyper-sexual primates. We are neuro-biologically wired for empathy, kindness, and trust.

As a species, we are collectively suffering immeasurably as a result of our ignorance about our true nature.

If you want to learn about REAL anarchism, read an anarchist FAQ.

[BittBurger]

   
Darkwallet - Taunting the gov regulators.. hmmm is it really a good idea

No.  It shows immaturity and poor judgment on the part of those who created it.  Along with other comments they've made implying that they're absolutely fine with another 911 happening because of their creation.

Idiots.

-B-

[gtraah]

Most fundamentally, anarchism is about the belief that human beings are inherently compassionate creatures,

I beg to differ lol many are not..

btw i think most humans  wish there was no need for war, armed men, corrupt leaders , federal reserve.... etc etc

[gtraah]

   
Darkwallet - Taunting the gov regulators.. hmmm is it really a good idea

No.  It shows immaturity and poor judgment on the part of those who created it.  Along with other comments they've made implying that they're absolutely fine with another 911 happening because of their creation.

Idiots.

-B-

this is what i was getting at, nothing was wrong with the app. But if people truly want to drive up the value of BTC then I don't think comments such as "implying that they're absolutely fine with another 911 happening because of their creation" is the way to do it.. This is where I see Bitcoins community agenda split in half, some people want it underground meaning it may only be good for guns, drugs, online stuff, gaming etc... as it sure wont buy you tomatoes and potatoes, pay your bills, or a new car... And some want it the otherway around.

[Beliathon]

No.  It shows immaturity and poor judgment on the part of those who created it.  Along with other comments they've made implying that they're absolutely fine with another 911 happening because of their creation.

Jesus fucking christ, another 911 happening because of dark wallet? Really? You a conservative, BittBurger? Enough with the politics of fear bullshit. 9/11 was fucking EARNED, with blood. Yeah I said it.

Stop demonizing TOOLS, you goddamn luddite. Tools are ALWAYS neutral! Never good, never evil. And money is about power. It always has been.

Read this book, free your mind from the tyranny of illusion:



Welcome to the Desert of the Real, by Slavoj Zizek.

"There is only one good: knowledge. And one evil: Ignorance."
-Socrates

[inBitweTrust]

 mid 17th century: from Greek anarkhos ‘without a chief’ (see anarchy) + -ism; later influenced by French anarchisme .

This is correct. Anarchy refers to decentralized, voluntary peaceful interaction without leaders or rulers as you indicate from the greek root. Rules, regulations and laws can exist but have to be mutually agreed upon. If someone breaks a law in an anarchistic society they can either choose to leave and not participate or agree to rehabilitate and compensate the victim/s.

I guarantee if there is no law or order somewhere or leadership of somesort... someone and his followers will rise up and try to become big boss, now what if that someone was a pure nutcase who liked to torture people?

There will always be psychopaths and sociopaths hurting themselves and the rest of society(2-4% of human population) just like how traditional slavery still exists in parts of west Africa. Does this mean that we should give up and stop trying to improve each others lives or does this mean that there can be no progress made? 150 years ago you would have been laughed at if you proposed such a time honored human tradition as slavery would be largely outlawed and found socially unacceptable throughout most of human society. We shouldn't jump to the conclusion into thinking that there may never be a 2nd emancipation from being born into debt and contracts you never signed up for or could even understand to agree to.

Anarchists aren't proposing utopia but just honesty and consistency in regards to ethics. Most people already live peaceful and anarchistic lives in day to day interactions with friends, family members, clients and business associates.... where duplicity sets in is with the state. Psychologically, we humans permit all sorts of abuse against one another that we would never do because we have been conditioned to think in such a way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Perhaps we will never see a more anarchistic society within our lifetime but is that an excuse to not try and be more honest and compassionate towards each other now regardless?

Bitcoin is plan B for some. It is a tool that allows you to be a socialist, fascist, communist, statist, or at any moment opt out and choose to fund and support ethical programs and charities instead of funding the aspects you may disagree within part or full.

[inBitweTrust]

This is where I see Bitcoins community agenda split in half, some people want it underground meaning it may only be good for guns, drugs, online stuff, gaming etc... as it sure wont buy you tomatoes and potatoes, pay your bills, or a new car... And some want it the otherway around.

Some people are planning on filling Dark markets with what are considered legal items as well so their isn't a distinction between choosing to buy potatoes or some funny plants as we recognize and respect your self- ownership.

[gtraah]

150 years ago you would have been laughed at if you proposed such a time honored human tradition as slavery would be largely outlawed and found socially unacceptable throughout most of human society.

Bitcoin is plan B for some. It is a tool that allows you to be a socialist, fascist, communist, statist, or at any moment opt out and choose to fund and support ethical programs and charities instead of funding the aspects you may disagree within part or full.

But then go back even further, to like the egyptian rulership famous for enslaving the jews... and not just then, I am sure many kings had slaves back in those days, babylonians, persians etc... slaves used to wear a Metal Ring in his ear this would brand him as a slave.

But yes i am guessing even then people knew it was wrong ,but its hard to stop someone in power unless everybody stuck together and fought the status quo, which is unlikely and a shame in a way.

Lolll getting way offtopic now..

Who wouldnt love a society based on freedom, fairness,  I agree it would be great, I wish it were like that.

anyway back to the darkmarket....

If there were dark market shops I could go to, or pay bills with, or maybe do some shopping would be awesome but for that to happen its going take time and a certain economical situation.. As for now, I honestly rather it run parallel with the $$ people choose what currency they want to use... fair enough if we need to convert to dollar for some stuff let it be.. I think this is MORE than I or anyone would have imagined bitcoin getting too, and it will then have much more room to evolve and it WILL evolve.. exciting!

[Ron~Popeil]

There is a fine line between harmless banter and poking a bear. The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe. I like dark wallet because frankly it is no ones business how I choose to allocate my bit coin and it is certainly no ones business how much I have. I wish the developers would spend more time thinking than talking.

[ranlo]

There is a fine line between harmless banter and poking a bear. The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe. I like dark wallet because frankly it is no ones business how I choose to allocate my bit coin and it is certainly no ones business how much I have. I wish the developers would spend more time thinking than talking.

This right here is how it should be advertised, and I agree. I'm not using it for illegal purposes (darkcoin or any other for that matter), but I still think anonymity should be an option. As long as I'm doing nothing wrong, there should be no reason to be constantly watched.

[cr1776]

There is a fine line between harmless banter and poking a bear. The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe. I like dark wallet because frankly it is no ones business how I choose to allocate my bit coin and it is certainly no ones business how much I have. I wish the developers would spend more time thinking than talking.

To some (many?) that statement alone makes you an extremist.

[smoothie]

DarkSend is closed source.

May as well sleep with rattlesnakes. 

[justusranvier]

Middle management government bureaucrats and regulators have just as much, if not more, reason to want a private place to stash their money as everyone else.

Things like Dark Wallet increase Bitcoin adoption by that class of people.

[Lethn]

There is a fine line between harmless banter and poking a bear. The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe. I like dark wallet because frankly it is no ones business how I choose to allocate my bit coin and it is certainly no ones business how much I have. I wish the developers would spend more time thinking than talking.

To some (many?) that statement alone makes you an extremist.

I think I'm right in saying that there are those of us who would consider being called an extremist or a criminal by people who advocate the use of high tech weaponry against unarmed populations a compliment.

[justusranvier]

I think I'm right in saying that there are those of us who would consider being called an extremist or a criminal by people who advocate the use of high tech weaponry tagainst unarmed populations a compliment.

Given the state of the modern world, anyone who is not labeled as a domestic extremist should be ashamed of themselves.

[cr1776]

There is a fine line between harmless banter and poking a bear. The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe. I like dark wallet because frankly it is no ones business how I choose to allocate my bit coin and it is certainly no ones business how much I have. I wish the developers would spend more time thinking than talking.

To some (many?) that statement alone makes you an extremist.

I think I'm right in saying that there are those of us who would consider being called an extremist or a criminal by people who advocate the use of high tech weaponry against unarmed populations a compliment.

I agree.  

My problem is that the statement "The last thing we need in this community is extremists of any stripe" includes many people who believe that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.  One person's "extremist" is another person's hero. DarkWallet is a great tool for protection privacy.

:-)

[cr1776]

DarkSend is closed source.

May as well sleep with rattlesnakes.  

Of course DarkSend is not Darkwallet and darkwallet is open source. :-)