Iran hangs billionaire over bank fraud

[Ron~Popeil]

There are a lot of people in the world that don't deserve to live, there is no question about that. I do not however believe that any government should be granted such absolute power over anyone.

[Lethn]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

[beetcoin]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

yeah that shit creeps me out. i don't like the death penalty; it's almost like people have this god complex, where they want to see the people they hate die. nevermind the possibility of a false conviction, it just doesn't feel right for a group of people to decide whether someone lives or doesn't.

[tvbcof]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

yeah that shit creeps me out. i don't like the death penalty; it's almost like people have this god complex, where they want to see the people they hate die. nevermind the possibility of a false conviction, it just doesn't feel right for a group of people to decide whether someone lives or doesn't.

It's just engineering to me.  Everyone dies eventually, and many people die prematurely due to bad luck.  Yes, life is precious and I don't mean to downplay it, but if someone is put away for life they are just an expensive drag on society with no hope for anything resembling a meaningful existence.

Furthermore, it is completely hypocritical to engage in wars and maintaining our (the U.S.) empire knowing damn good and well that thousands of Americans and millions of non-Americans are going to be killed and many more maimed, then turn around and be to purist about executing even the worse criminals.  Of course I'm probably talking to a couple of people who don't support our policies in this area so I don't mean to put up a straw-man here.  But we do live in a society which does these bad things (again, here in the U.S.)

I am currently and have been for a while now against capital punishment.  Philosophically I don't have much against it, but operationally it is _proven_ to not be reliable.  I may think about supporting it again, but only if some crimes are immune.  One of these would be cop killing.  That seems to be one of the main ways that innocent people get convicted.  That is, when the cops need to make an example of someone and don't care much about who it happens to be.  Also any attorney or other justice official who cheats to get an innocent guy convicted would face VERY severe punishment himself if caught.

As for the actual deed, I think that the Chinese do it best with a bullet to the brainstem.  Quick, reliable, painless, and cheap.  I little bit more humane also since they march someone out and keep them occupied by walking until the last seconds when they force the person to kneel down.

[bryant.coleman]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

[stompix]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

How can be one judge 100% sure of the verdict?
Is he god to know that everything that was said is the true and the proof have not been altered by somebody else?
As for the advancement of technology , this could be applied to the western Europe and US&CA but not for the rest of the countries.

I wonder if police officers in central Africa even take fingerprints in those cases.

[Lethn]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

Bullshit, there are people out there who genuinely believe a women can't rape a man etc. which means all humans will naturally be biased to a certain viewpoint, none of what you said is true especially since a judge is a human being and is capable of making mistakes and then there's the fact that technology can always be tampered with.

[stompix]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

Bullshit, there are people out there who genuinely believe a women can't rape a man etc. which means all humans will naturally be biased to a certain viewpoint, none of what you said is true especially since a judge is a human being and is capable of making mistakes and then there's the fact that technology can always be tampered with.

Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15876968

And article so that nobody contest your first phrase

[sana8410]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.592510

i don't know if i quite believe in capital punishment, but it's at least nice to for once see a wealthy person live by the same rule of law as the commonfolk.

This is a very severe punishment for fraud. Normally only the worst gays and apostates would be given such a harsh punishment!

[Lethn]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

Bullshit, there are people out there who genuinely believe a women can't rape a man etc. which means all humans will naturally be biased to a certain viewpoint, none of what you said is true especially since a judge is a human being and is capable of making mistakes and then there's the fact that technology can always be tampered with.

Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15876968

And article so that nobody contest your first phrase

Did you misread my post? I said they believe it, doesn't mean that it's actually true

[stompix]

I pose the same question when it comes to the death penalty that I pose to people who believe in god, what if you're wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

No, I don't believe in the death penalty, no matter the crime, I've had this argument with people before, it amazes me the lengths people will go to justify to themselves and others killing an unarmed person, it also amazes me how like the U.S Iran is but you will find all sorts of people ready to jump to the defence of the U.S when they do something wrong.

No one is sentenced to death, unless the judge is 100% sure about his crime. In the past mistakes might have happened. But with the advancement of technology, right now it is impossible to blame an innocent person for heinous crimes such as murder and rape.

Bullshit, there are people out there who genuinely believe a women can't rape a man etc. which means all humans will naturally be biased to a certain viewpoint, none of what you said is true especially since a judge is a human being and is capable of making mistakes and then there's the fact that technology can always be tampered with.

Zimbabwe women accused of raping men 'for rituals'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15876968

And article so that nobody contest your first phrase

Did you misread my post? I said they believe it, doesn't mean that it's actually true

Nope didn't misread it although my reply might seem so.

Just a small example on how this twisted this world is and how you should believe that everything is possible.
And how at first people didn't believe the actual criminals are guilty based only on their misconception , that  "a woman can't rape a man".
 

[Rigon]

I am surprized that nobody mentions this but in islam (using sharia jurisdiction, as Iran claims to be) it is not possible to get a death sentence because of fraud, highest punishment for this would be cutting his "stealing" hand. Killing someone because he stole something / or fraud was never the case in islamic jurisprudence.

[bryant.coleman]

I am surprized that nobody mentions this but in islam (using sharia jurisdiction, as Iran claims to be) it is not possible to get a death sentence because of fraud, highest punishment for this would be cutting his "stealing" hand. Killing someone because he stole something / or fraud was never the case in islamic jurisprudence.

There is no unified Islamic law for punishment for various offences. It varies from place to place, and from sect to sect. Also, the offence can be interpreted in different ways. Some people may interpret it as theft. Some others might interpret it as treason.

[sana8410]

I am surprized that nobody mentions this but in islam (using sharia jurisdiction, as Iran claims to be) it is not possible to get a death sentence because of fraud, highest punishment for this would be cutting his "stealing" hand. Killing someone because he stole something / or fraud was never the case in islamic jurisprudence.

In a scale such as this, it can be considered as treason... Treason is punishable by death according to Islamic jurisprudence.

[Nathonas]

I think the level-headed response here is not to praise Iran as the most just nation on Earth. The reason he was hanged was because OTHER powerful people disliked him, not because he broke the law.

But having said that, I would really like to see more serious punishments for these kind of crimes in the Western world, particularly the United States. The shit some of these guys pull causes financial distress for MILLIONS if not billions of people, whereas a murderer may kill a couple people, and he goes jail for a long time.

These guys have gotten off with a slap on the wrist for decades. The people who were implicated in the 2007-08 recession all got off with no jail time. Sure it is hard to prove, but the government has shown a clear lack of interest in prosecuting the high-level financiers involved...

[bryant.coleman]

These guys have gotten off with a slap on the wrist for decades. The people who were implicated in the 2007-08 recession all got off with no jail time. Sure it is hard to prove, but the government has shown a clear lack of interest in prosecuting the high-level financiers involved...

Exactly. Generally in the Western nations, perpetrators of the white collar crimes are hardly ever brought to justice. Even people who steals billions of USD have in the past escaped with silly sentences.

[kuroman]

I am surprized that nobody mentions this but in islam (using sharia jurisdiction, as Iran claims to be) it is not possible to get a death sentence because of fraud, highest punishment for this would be cutting his "stealing" hand. Killing someone because he stole something / or fraud was never the case in islamic jurisprudence.

There is no unified Islamic law for punishment for various offences. It varies from place to place, and from sect to sect. Also, the offence can be interpreted in different ways. Some people may interpret it as theft. Some others might interpret it as treason.

I'm not familiar with Shiaa which is Irans way of Islam, but I'm pretty sure that cutting the stealing hand is the most severe form of punishment for theft and embezzlement in Islamic laws (this is a basic I believe) I think he and the guys that had the same sentence were involved in treason or and espionage (this is me speculating) as it seems the guy has companies in NA and stuff, or did something worse that got him the capital sentence

[stompix]

I am surprized that nobody mentions this but in islam (using sharia jurisdiction, as Iran claims to be) it is not possible to get a death sentence because of fraud, highest punishment for this would be cutting his "stealing" hand. Killing someone because he stole something / or fraud was never the case in islamic jurisprudence.

There is no unified Islamic law for punishment for various offences. It varies from place to place, and from sect to sect. Also, the offence can be interpreted in different ways. Some people may interpret it as theft. Some others might interpret it as treason.

I'm not familiar with Shiaa which is Irans way of Islam, but I'm pretty sure that cutting the stealing hand is the most severe form of punishment for theft and embezzlement in Islamic laws (this is a basic I believe) I think he and the guys that had the same sentence were involved in treason or and espionage (this is me speculating) as it seems the guy has companies in NA and stuff, or did something worse that got him the capital sentence

The fraud involved using forged documents to get credit at one of Iran's top financial institutions, Bank Saderat, to purchase assets including state-owned companies like major steel producer Khuzestan Steel Co.

Khosravi's business empire included more than 35 companies from mineral water production to a football club and meat imports from Brazil. According to Iranian media reports, the bank fraud began in 2007.

I doubt he was involved in espionage. They would have mentioned this as anti western propaganda.

[Trading]

I'm afraid I have no strong hopes on the value of technology to avoid the condemnation of innocents, at least current technology. In many countries, the guilty verdict is pronounced by fellow citizens, a jury. And even if this systems has its merits it can also put the life or liberty of a innocent person on the hands of amateurs that can be easily tricked by a motivated and professional prosecutor.

[bryant.coleman]

I'm afraid I have no strong hopes on the value of technology to avoid the condemnation of innocents, at least current technology.

I am talking about examples such as these:

1. A person caught in video camera committing a crime such as murder or robbery.
2. A person proved to be involved in rape, from the DNA evidence.
3. A person proved to be involved in crimes such as extortion, as evident from telephone conversations.

In these cases, the judge can be 100% sure about the involvement of the alleged perpetrator in the crime.