[I0C] I0coin - The Best Choice In Digital Currency

[markm]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hacked that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

[kickback]

-Why do exchanges and traders not back this coin due to it working without and help or interference for many years now?

 It still syncs and you can transfer coins very quickly between wallets testing it.

-Not sure how it would perform if the same amount of people using bitcoin were using it so maybe it would have clogged mempool just like BTC without segwit etc?

-Also why does it take so long to open and use so much data in its block chain files.It is over 2.5 GB now?

[markm]

Its target time between blocks is only a minute and a half, not ten minutes like bitcoin. So it has a lot of blocks compared to some other coins. Plus of course it has been running many years, it is one of the oldest coins.

-MarkM-

[Vlad2Vlad]

Its target time between blocks is only a minute and a half, not ten minutes like bitcoin. So it has a lot of blocks compared to some other coins. Plus of course it has been running many years, it is one of the oldest coins.

-MarkM-

~9 years?  Just a few months after ixc launched.  Great buy if you find enough.  Like many old coins it too has become a rare commodity.  Best of luck to ICO chasing late comers.   

[realdantreccia]

-Why do exchanges and traders not back this coin due to it working without and help or interference for many years now?

 It still syncs and you can transfer coins very quickly between wallets testing it.

-Not sure how it would perform if the same amount of people using bitcoin were using it so maybe it would have clogged mempool just like BTC without segwit etc?

-Also why does it take so long to open and use so much data in its block chain files.It is over 2.5 GB now?

Probably because it is the only chain merge mining with Bitcoin storing all the auxpow stuff (sorry stuff was best I could do its been a tiring day)

[realdantreccia]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

Yeah but the amount of DVC minted should not prohibit it from gains relative to "price" per BTC, ETH, USD, etc. in the future. I mean look at Stellar Lumens and XRP. Many more billions of tokens in circulation, far more than DVC can get to in the next decades*** (plural), yet still price wise they are at a cash out/USD type price most DVC holders would jump at the opportunity to take a little profit at. And I don't blame them. The issue is merge mining seems to have yet to figure out a value in price for its security... or a next step goal for the long time alts that secure and mine alongside "Bitcoin" (is Bitcoin BTC? Who knows. I know Exchanges like to call it that but last time I checked BTC came about after some forks already occurred and merge mining was already implemented.)... anyway I know Coinbase pumps that USD price for BTC but it isn't yet BTC until one withdraws it to their own wallet and its written in the blockchain. Until then, it's just whatever amount of BTC you bought at Coinbase's prices and becomes actual blockchain BTC when it is withdrawn into one's own custody. That makes me thing the best is yet to come once time sorts out all these prices in a more DEX type manner where YOU hold the custody. Maybe without a spot type price every being found for some of these BTC and Bitcoin blockchain connected coins that one does not purchase for cash and get into actual custody only after leaving (withdrawing form) the Coinbase platform/app.

I dunno that makes sense to me. There are reasons people may have had for setting things up this way for these early alts we all seem to follow and hold for a better day. NMC, IXC, DVC, I0C to name the first four alts to merge mine with Bitcoin, whatever it began as, or was since public block explorers and companies like Blockchain.info now .com "BLOCKCHAIN" hit the WWW in 2011.  Our coins are very much still in that OTC market, small exchange without fiat onboarding or direct (insert ancient 'shitcoin' -jk relax- MM alt here) purchase with $$$ or credit cards. Personally I think that's enough reason for the best being yet to come. These are the best projects because the most can happen with them before they have to be super regulated like BTC has become because they have direct onboarding on BTC for fiat platforms like Coinbase. And still, when you buy these coins on other lesser know exchanges or over the counter, the transactions are easier written on chain because your deposited BTC to buy these at a FreiExchange or somewhere else enter you exchange wallet on chain, and when you withdraw from these imo reputable places you get your coins on chain the moment confirmations begin rolling in from your withdrawal. Who is to say that a place like FreiExchange doesn't become the next altcoin mania destination for BTC's next fiat ATH climb in the way Binance was in 2017. Binance isn't even a place American customers can trade this time around, they have to settle for Binance.us and since I've been in crypto I have yet to have any desire to use that exchange over places such as FreiEx, Altilly, Livecoin, and other places Galactic Milieu coins are found on web exchanges. I even think there's a chance the project devs and marketing leads could band together for projects like NMC that MM with our coins, or rather DVC, I0C, IXC devs decide to work on projects like markm's STELLAR and HORIZON tokenized DVC, I0C, IXC, and related coins that are part of treasuries that markm has been building since the early days. You can even get GRouPcoin's from STELLAR and HORIZON and get them into your own coin wallets if you so choose in a pretty easy OTC project that markm's been 100% reliable for in probably 20-30 txns now where I've bailed in and out using both blockchain DVC, I0C, IXC, TBX, etc. from GM, to get tokens, trade for other tokens you can then get blockchain Horizon (HZ) into your Horizon with pretty easily by trading markm your HZ tokens you bought on STELLAR DEX and cash out (where markm is even kind enough to eat a 1 HZ fee on the HZ blockchain to pay you 100% 1:1 HZ coins for your HZ tokens from Stellar).

So I believe if we work together on developing easy on and off ramps (automated?) with tokens from both markm and also ones related like devcoin.org's/develCuy's Stellar issued token "KDVC" (which is about 1 KDVC per 1000 DVC tokens last time I bought) we can use these modern DEX platforms as well as work on the abandoned Horizon platform like markm has by creating all the assets for it and bring this game to fruition before the FOMO hoards get here. We can find ways to get out exchanges volumes up and the word out so that when FOMO does come to our alts via people branching out from BTC as it becomes expensive to buy in fiat during its eventual next run up ($50,000 per BTC, people will be looking to withdraw some and make gains on CHEAP alts - satoshi wise). If we make it easier for these people to get our altcoins + give them ways to get blockchain coins on the most secure and longest running merge mined chains, and we also buy up our coins as much as possible in the hands of active developers like me, and you all who I have come to know over the past 3.5 years here - we can make sure we control each side of the books so that we never have to worry about dumps, or people cashing out on us. Slower but consistent gains as we make the buy sides with profits from selling pieces to newcomers looking for the next best thing to BTC - which SHOULD be these secure and collectible type coins - could definitely make profits that we could put back into buysides that we control (by having the coins to sell) and by making timely buys of our coins with that - lets say BTC profit we get from the newer FOMO'ers (you know that new FOMO'ers don't hold) could solve our problems with "whales" and dumping for good.

So until those new people come, lets use this time while BTC gains $ value on places where people don't even hold blockchain BiTCoin yet and prepare for what we can make happen with the right plan, the right development strategy (develCuy mentioned automated and secure token/coin bail in and out plans for KDVC/maybe other GM tokens on Stellar that would be newbie friendly if people like me and Vlad take care of the writeups. Traxo has done a wonderful job with Markm making ways to see treasury and blockchain related rates for all coins in the Galactic Milieu basket as well as some other coins - like his Qortal OTC rates which is a nice touch to getting rates in things like USD, and using XLM in there since markm makes great use of STELLAR DEX where one can even just buy tokens from markm and even KDVC with XLM - no OTC bail in required there - it's a simple way to not bother Mark with bailing in DVC coins etc, by just sending XLM (which is easy to obtain everywhere and cheap) and then using XLM to buy MarkM and develCuy issued tokens (DVC, TBX, FBX, I0C, IXC tokens mark has issued based on 50% of his frozen blockchain coins as well as some of my own coins I onboarded through him in exchange for stellar tokens he issued for them). That's something newbies can do all on their own. Buy XLM on Coinbase, etc - withdraw to their own stellar wallet sending lumens (XLM) to a wallet they have full custody over and then by following my own past and yet to be written guides purchase our GM tokens. If we had ways to withdraw that didn't involve mark or develCuy (KDVC) or even me if I offer some of my own coins for tokens so people can get our actual blockchain coins we will increase our HODLER's beyond the devs here. And we will also have more BTC to buy our coins up on the low volume exchanges they exist on, helping those exchanges get noticed on CoinMarketCap, and to a lesser extent, Coingecko where the newbies would be able to see our coins are active again on easier to use "web exchanges" and thus, we're active again. Then other popular exchanges would offer to list our coins, and we could really build something there.

You all know better than I how this works. This is all written based on my entire experience when I first got into crypto and what I found myself doing in those first 12 months. We still have time to popularize our coins and get volume up and the "inactive" label off our coins on CoinMarketCap - so when the noobs looking to get into alts search that CMC site they notice our coins with a good amount of volume but a lot of room to grow. With smart marketing on Twitter, FB, and all the places these new crypto buyers find themselves researching we need to have a presence where we are easily found. But the building has already begun. I think all projects at the very least that markm and traxo have rates for as well as KDVC (develCuy) and Vlad's projects he's put his heart and soul into since he's been around these boards should work together. We all develop what we can to benefit the project, whether its marketing and visibility - which Vlad and I can handle while the other wizards that build tools and are devs that code these projects and create updated repos and wallets etc work on that. With markm overseeing the entire ecosystem as well and whoever else we can get back. DevelCuy has done a nice job reaching out to exchanges to list DVC in recent months and there's interest - which should mean we all should be doing this for our related projects as well. I know Vlad has got I0C listen on exchanges like altilly in the past just because he offered to help do that. And that was great because he knew how to do it easily and no one minded because as far as I know rsnel and domob are either not around actively updating these codebases and releasing wallets (which if its not broke don't fix it) - or domob's case have kept their focus these past few years on their main projects like Namecoin, or further extensions of those projects like Huntercoin >>> Chimaera or whatever its called today (last known as Xaya). What I propose we do there is keep this project the way it is, it seemingly works wonderfully with the software and blockchain code its been on since 2016 - and invite those developers to bring their projects to our ecosystem, even if its just to become part of our treasuries via mark and another way to calculate our coins values in tools like traxos to find good OTC rates for. We can also go back to released like devcoin0.9.2 that have counterparty functionality that the Bitcoin Core devs prevented in their software after 0.9.0 going back to 2014 when sidhujag (Jagdeep Sidhu) left it in the devcoin / core repository for us to implement with counterparty and 80 byte scripts to support smart contracts and other functions at a later date. I know develCuy and ctya have worked on that or at least indicated on github they wanted to test out developing that implementation in the past year. I also think that's a wondeful way to get back the now Syscoin lead developer and Blockchain Foundry CEO in an active role with DVC and Devcoin development + integrate the further developments and coin itself back into our Galactic realm of cryptocurrencies that support eachother. The sysethereum bridge that progressed off Dogecoin's Dogethereum test bridge back in 2018 is now an actual working function of that project as well as the SysX ether token which could provide a route between Ethereum's ecosystem and upcoming Eth 2.0 upgrades, DeFi, etc back to value and pathways bridged to our own projects and developments.

Perhaps in the future PathFinder isn't only something that gets one from our STELLAR tokens to any Stellar listed token for exchange but from STELLAR to Ethereum or STELLAR to HORIZON or even DIAMOND version 4 (DMDv4) if markm does in fact use it as the next platform for our coins to issue their tokens onto. The end goal should be we are the next best place to take your withdrawn and newly credited blockchain BiTCoins from a Coinbase or Bitstamp to get our secure chain altcoins and easily trade DEX altcoins for trade and bail in or bail out to other platforms in a way that is automated and reliable as a Changelly or Coinswap, but at a better rate, so as to get our blockchain coins for long term hodling and not dumping, or to let their impatience get the best of them selling them for BTC they can send back to Coinbase for $$$ giving us more control of our coins at a cheaper rate than we sold them for with the BTC they used in the first place to easily buy our coins thru a FreiExchange, or more preferably our own tools to bail in and bail out to Stellar DEX/their altcoin wallets so we do get those fees and BTC tokens they sent to an interstellar wallet etc since we can then take that BTC out of those growing DEX platforms and then buy up the value of spot exchange DVC/IXC/I0C to increase volume, visibility on CMC, and more so that we control the ability to consistently get our coins up in satoshi value.

Perhaps eventually the Coinbase's and other exchanges will notice and decide to use their own BTC to buy up a good amount of our coins in a way that rapidly increases our price per satoshi - beneficial to both us and their exchanges - or, if we control enough, they will buy from us directly.

I remember reading about Merge Mining Coalition, I just think we can do better by involving active people in these projects and their alumni to do their friends that have listed them (FreiExchange) and loyal holders and devs who no doubt still hold pat things that will all in all, bring about the visibility of our coins into the mainstream by next FOMO. Next FOMO could mean $100,000 USD per BTC prices on Coinbase without a majority of people even withdrawing that BTC credited to their accounts into their own wallets that write on chain. However as those BTC prices rise we can help our coins rise in satoshi along with it in many ways mentioned above.

Sorry for the long explaination - but I feel I0C is a great ANN to do it in since it is a central piece to this ecosystem while moving forward with blocks and a solid group of peers mining and running nodes per its web hosted explorers without any on central "DEV" and the past few years help from related project devs to keep on moving along to new exchanges or even just keep the ANN from being abandoned. This is a perfect example of a coin that does just fine without a 1,000 monthly commits on github but works as it should. I'm 3.5 years in here almost and I'm still a noob so feel free to take these thoughts and make them into more intelligent ideas.

thanks

-Dan

[Vlad2Vlad]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

Yeah but the amount of DVC minted should not prohibit it from gains relative to "price" per BTC, ETH, USD, etc. in the future. I mean look at Stellar Lumens and XRP. Many more billions of tokens in circulation, far more than DVC can get to in the next decades*** (plural), yet still price wise they are at a cash out/USD type price most DVC holders would jump at the opportunity to take a little profit at. And I don't blame them. The issue is merge mining seems to have yet to figure out a value in price for its security... or a next step goal for the long time alts that secure and mine alongside "Bitcoin" (is Bitcoin BTC? Who knows. I know Exchanges like to call it that but last time I checked BTC came about after some forks already occurred and merge mining was already implemented.)... anyway I know Coinbase pumps that USD price for BTC but it isn't yet BTC until one withdraws it to their own wallet and its written in the blockchain. Until then, it's just whatever amount of BTC you bought at Coinbase's prices and becomes actual blockchain BTC when it is withdrawn into one's own custody. That makes me thing the best is yet to come once time sorts out all these prices in a more DEX type manner where YOU hold the custody. Maybe without a spot type price every being found for some of these BTC and Bitcoin blockchain connected coins that one does not purchase for cash and get into actual custody only after leaving (withdrawing form) the Coinbase platform/app.

I dunno that makes sense to me. There are reasons people may have had for setting things up this way for these early alts we all seem to follow and hold for a better day. NMC, IXC, DVC, I0C to name the first four alts to merge mine with Bitcoin, whatever it began as, or was since public block explorers and companies like Blockchain.info now .com "BLOCKCHAIN" hit the WWW in 2011.  Our coins are very much still in that OTC market, small exchange without fiat onboarding or direct (insert ancient 'shitcoin' -jk relax- MM alt here) purchase with $$$ or credit cards. Personally I think that's enough reason for the best being yet to come. These are the best projects because the most can happen with them before they have to be super regulated like BTC has become because they have direct onboarding on BTC for fiat platforms like Coinbase. And still, when you buy these coins on other lesser know exchanges or over the counter, the transactions are easier written on chain because your deposited BTC to buy these at a FreiExchange or somewhere else enter you exchange wallet on chain, and when you withdraw from these imo reputable places you get your coins on chain the moment confirmations begin rolling in from your withdrawal. Who is to say that a place like FreiExchange doesn't become the next altcoin mania destination for BTC's next fiat ATH climb in the way Binance was in 2017. Binance isn't even a place American customers can trade this time around, they have to settle for Binance.us and since I've been in crypto I have yet to have any desire to use that exchange over places such as FreiEx, Altilly, Livecoin, and other places Galactic Milieu coins are found on web exchanges. I even think there's a chance the project devs and marketing leads could band together for projects like NMC that MM with our coins, or rather DVC, I0C, IXC devs decide to work on projects like markm's STELLAR and HORIZON tokenized DVC, I0C, IXC, and related coins that are part of treasuries that markm has been building since the early days. You can even get GRouPcoin's from STELLAR and HORIZON and get them into your own coin wallets if you so choose in a pretty easy OTC project that markm's been 100% reliable for in probably 20-30 txns now where I've bailed in and out using both blockchain DVC, I0C, IXC, TBX, etc. from GM, to get tokens, trade for other tokens you can then get blockchain Horizon (HZ) into your Horizon with pretty easily by trading markm your HZ tokens you bought on STELLAR DEX and cash out (where markm is even kind enough to eat a 1 HZ fee on the HZ blockchain to pay you 100% 1:1 HZ coins for your HZ tokens from Stellar).

So I believe if we work together on developing easy on and off ramps (automated?) with tokens from both markm and also ones related like devcoin.org's/develCuy's Stellar issued token "KDVC" (which is about 1 KDVC per 1000 DVC tokens last time I bought) we can use these modern DEX platforms as well as work on the abandoned Horizon platform like markm has by creating all the assets for it and bring this game to fruition before the FOMO hoards get here. We can find ways to get out exchanges volumes up and the word out so that when FOMO does come to our alts via people branching out from BTC as it becomes expensive to buy in fiat during its eventual next run up ($50,000 per BTC, people will be looking to withdraw some and make gains on CHEAP alts - satoshi wise). If we make it easier for these people to get our altcoins + give them ways to get blockchain coins on the most secure and longest running merge mined chains, and we also buy up our coins as much as possible in the hands of active developers like me, and you all who I have come to know over the past 3.5 years here - we can make sure we control each side of the books so that we never have to worry about dumps, or people cashing out on us. Slower but consistent gains as we make the buy sides with profits from selling pieces to newcomers looking for the next best thing to BTC - which SHOULD be these secure and collectible type coins - could definitely make profits that we could put back into buysides that we control (by having the coins to sell) and by making timely buys of our coins with that - lets say BTC profit we get from the newer FOMO'ers (you know that new FOMO'ers don't hold) could solve our problems with "whales" and dumping for good.

So until those new people come, lets use this time while BTC gains $ value on places where people don't even hold blockchain BiTCoin yet and prepare for what we can make happen with the right plan, the right development strategy (develCuy mentioned automated and secure token/coin bail in and out plans for KDVC/maybe other GM tokens on Stellar that would be newbie friendly if people like me and Vlad take care of the writeups. Traxo has done a wonderful job with Markm making ways to see treasury and blockchain related rates for all coins in the Galactic Milieu basket as well as some other coins - like his Qortal OTC rates which is a nice touch to getting rates in things like USD, and using XLM in there since markm makes great use of STELLAR DEX where one can even just buy tokens from markm and even KDVC with XLM - no OTC bail in required there - it's a simple way to not bother Mark with bailing in DVC coins etc, by just sending XLM (which is easy to obtain everywhere and cheap) and then using XLM to buy MarkM and develCuy issued tokens (DVC, TBX, FBX, I0C, IXC tokens mark has issued based on 50% of his frozen blockchain coins as well as some of my own coins I onboarded through him in exchange for stellar tokens he issued for them). That's something newbies can do all on their own. Buy XLM on Coinbase, etc - withdraw to their own stellar wallet sending lumens (XLM) to a wallet they have full custody over and then by following my own past and yet to be written guides purchase our GM tokens. If we had ways to withdraw that didn't involve mark or develCuy (KDVC) or even me if I offer some of my own coins for tokens so people can get our actual blockchain coins we will increase our HODLER's beyond the devs here. And we will also have more BTC to buy our coins up on the low volume exchanges they exist on, helping those exchanges get noticed on CoinMarketCap, and to a lesser extent, Coingecko where the newbies would be able to see our coins are active again on easier to use "web exchanges" and thus, we're active again. Then other popular exchanges would offer to list our coins, and we could really build something there.

You all know better than I how this works. This is all written based on my entire experience when I first got into crypto and what I found myself doing in those first 12 months. We still have time to popularize our coins and get volume up and the "inactive" label off our coins on CoinMarketCap - so when the noobs looking to get into alts search that CMC site they notice our coins with a good amount of volume but a lot of room to grow. With smart marketing on Twitter, FB, and all the places these new crypto buyers find themselves researching we need to have a presence where we are easily found. But the building has already begun. I think all projects at the very least that markm and traxo have rates for as well as KDVC (develCuy) and Vlad's projects he's put his heart and soul into since he's been around these boards should work together. We all develop what we can to benefit the project, whether its marketing and visibility - which Vlad and I can handle while the other wizards that build tools and are devs that code these projects and create updated repos and wallets etc work on that. With markm overseeing the entire ecosystem as well and whoever else we can get back. DevelCuy has done a nice job reaching out to exchanges to list DVC in recent months and there's interest - which should mean we all should be doing this for our related projects as well. I know Vlad has got I0C listen on exchanges like altilly in the past just because he offered to help do that. And that was great because he knew how to do it easily and no one minded because as far as I know rsnel and domob are either not around actively updating these codebases and releasing wallets (which if its not broke don't fix it) - or domob's case have kept their focus these past few years on their main projects like Namecoin, or further extensions of those projects like Huntercoin >>> Chimaera or whatever its called today (last known as Xaya). What I propose we do there is keep this project the way it is, it seemingly works wonderfully with the software and blockchain code its been on since 2016 - and invite those developers to bring their projects to our ecosystem, even if its just to become part of our treasuries via mark and another way to calculate our coins values in tools like traxos to find good OTC rates for. We can also go back to released like devcoin0.9.2 that have counterparty functionality that the Bitcoin Core devs prevented in their software after 0.9.0 going back to 2014 when sidhujag (Jagdeep Sidhu) left it in the devcoin / core repository for us to implement with counterparty and 80 byte scripts to support smart contracts and other functions at a later date. I know develCuy and ctya have worked on that or at least indicated on github they wanted to test out developing that implementation in the past year. I also think that's a wondeful way to get back the now Syscoin lead developer and Blockchain Foundry CEO in an active role with DVC and Devcoin development + integrate the further developments and coin itself back into our Galactic realm of cryptocurrencies that support eachother. The sysethereum bridge that progressed off Dogecoin's Dogethereum test bridge back in 2018 is now an actual working function of that project as well as the SysX ether token which could provide a route between Ethereum's ecosystem and upcoming Eth 2.0 upgrades, DeFi, etc back to value and pathways bridged to our own projects and developments.

Perhaps in the future PathFinder isn't only something that gets one from our STELLAR tokens to any Stellar listed token for exchange but from STELLAR to Ethereum or STELLAR to HORIZON or even DIAMOND version 4 (DMDv4) if markm does in fact use it as the next platform for our coins to issue their tokens onto. The end goal should be we are the next best place to take your withdrawn and newly credited blockchain BiTCoins from a Coinbase or Bitstamp to get our secure chain altcoins and easily trade DEX altcoins for trade and bail in or bail out to other platforms in a way that is automated and reliable as a Changelly or Coinswap, but at a better rate, so as to get our blockchain coins for long term hodling and not dumping, or to let their impatience get the best of them selling them for BTC they can send back to Coinbase for $$$ giving us more control of our coins at a cheaper rate than we sold them for with the BTC they used in the first place to easily buy our coins thru a FreiExchange, or more preferably our own tools to bail in and bail out to Stellar DEX/their altcoin wallets so we do get those fees and BTC tokens they sent to an interstellar wallet etc since we can then take that BTC out of those growing DEX platforms and then buy up the value of spot exchange DVC/IXC/I0C to increase volume, visibility on CMC, and more so that we control the ability to consistently get our coins up in satoshi value.

Perhaps eventually the Coinbase's and other exchanges will notice and decide to use their own BTC to buy up a good amount of our coins in a way that rapidly increases our price per satoshi - beneficial to both us and their exchanges - or, if we control enough, they will buy from us directly.

I remember reading about Merge Mining Coalition, I just think we can do better by involving active people in these projects and their alumni to do their friends that have listed them (FreiExchange) and loyal holders and devs who no doubt still hold pat things that will all in all, bring about the visibility of our coins into the mainstream by next FOMO. Next FOMO could mean $100,000 USD per BTC prices on Coinbase without a majority of people even withdrawing that BTC credited to their accounts into their own wallets that write on chain. However as those BTC prices rise we can help our coins rise in satoshi along with it in many ways mentioned above.

Sorry for the long explaination - but I feel I0C is a great ANN to do it in since it is a central piece to this ecosystem while moving forward with blocks and a solid group of peers mining and running nodes per its web hosted explorers without any on central "DEV" and the past few years help from related project devs to keep on moving along to new exchanges or even just keep the ANN from being abandoned. This is a perfect example of a coin that does just fine without a 1,000 monthly commits on github but works as it should. I'm 3.5 years in here almost and I'm still a noob so feel free to take these thoughts and make them into more intelligent ideas.

thanks

-Dan

I had to give you 2 merits for the sheer effort you put in that post, longer than mine and marmM’s combined.  Lol

Keep the faith, the tide will turn soon. 

[Vlad2Vlad]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

That’s all fine and great for hacker coding extraordinaires, such as yourself and I.   

But there’s a huge problem with using the stellar and horizon network as you suggest.  Firstly, how secure is it.  Not much left of these old coins to lose.  Secondly and most importantly, I’ve talked to very computer literate guys who had a hard time trading on these platforms.  Making it user friendly where an average person can trade on both platforms and making it Unhackable should be job 1.  Until then I doing you’ll get 1% adoption - people will continue using exchanges and cold wallets.  Adding a user friendly iOS app would be a game changer. 

I believe in ya, MarkM.  You can DO IT! 

[realdantreccia]

I had to give you 2 merits for the sheer effort you put in that post, longer than mine and marmM’s combined.  Lol

Keep the faith, the tide will turn soon.  

Thank you. Automagically???  

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Just my speculation and an educated guess but:

-Also why does it take so long to open and use so much data in its block chain files.It is over 2.5 GB now?

Also to answer the previous post why I0C uses a lot of memory. Checkout block 160,999 and the blockheader before and after it. Merge Mining supposedly began at 161,000 - but if you asked me, as the mainchain of MM (can't find doublec's notes on that in the source code from wayback but I posted it before from the github repo that implemented I0C merge mining) - storing all the block headers from auxpow as well was I0C's secret burden as the primary chain. Bitcoin was a secondary MM chain to I0C at that change. Take a look at blockheader though at 160,999.  Since no block 0 for I0C can be found on current explorers this very much looks to be what was 161,000. All those 000's - many more than before an after at that MM checkpoint.

Very interesting to me.

Blockheaders per cryptoID's I0C explorer:

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Begin with normal looking auxpow secondary MM chain block
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160,998 (without genesis on this explorer +1 - 160,999 originally):
Block header

Code:

6b9a3e704564ed1c453939f0d3767d76ff78a07831bbbc5f1b14591a514eb7ad

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/i0c/block.dws?160998.htm
Raw block looks more like block 161,000

Code:

{
   "hash": "6b9a3e704564ed1c453939f0d3767d76ff78a07831bbbc5f1b14591a514eb7ad",
   "confirmations": 3161572,
   "size": 678,
   "height": 160998,
   "version": 131329,
   "merkleroot": "5bc5a14d6b8d9202f6842a004d33cbd490fb71cb244656318c1c025dd9c1fe5e",
   "tx": [
      "5bc5a14d6b8d9202f6842a004d33cbd490fb71cb244656318c1c025dd9c1fe5e"
   ],
   "time": 1324450122,
   "mediantime": 1324449657,
   "nonce": 0,
   "bits": "1b6aae41",
   "difficulty": 614.30992394254,
   "chainwork": "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000046291dae7c337c6",
   "auxpow": {
      "tx": {
         "hex": "01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff350468860e1a012e522cfabe6d6d8d854a807077b4346ac95943054c0b153577e923184dfdf3f5cc70a69e26efe70200000000000000ffffffff0120930d2a010000004341044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459aac00000000",
         "txid": "d192b46cd29bf3c07aa4307575bb7b38b8d1045c8c436fe3d32b2d6b6b02b89c",
         "version": 1,
         "locktime": 0,
         "vin": [
            {
               "coinbase": "0468860e1a012e522cfabe6d6d8d854a807077b4346ac95943054c0b153577e923184dfdf3f5cc70a69e26efe70200000000000000",
               "sequence": 4294967295
            }
         ],
         "vout": [
            {
               "value": 50.005,
               "n": 0,
               "scriptPubKey": {
                  "asm": "044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459a OP_CHECKSIG",
                  "hex": "41044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459aac",
                  "reqSigs": 1,
                  "type": "pubkey",
                  "addresses": [
                     "jULbSZhbU5667eHcTJPtrCKV95DwpqvLoh"
                  ]
               }
            }
         ],
         "blockhash": "00000000000630407bc6daf64bb3f7553fa18c4520bd33dbaea6e4db3a161d2e"
      },
      "index": 0,
      "chainindex": 0,
      "merklebranch": [
         "9fe08626f3c82dffc9c1319744ee49e1eb66c7ddfd6be8a420a1fa392835c5cb",
         "eca2353a098f02943d49ef6fd191b515cf80582751e476169cf3b100644acf87",
         "9944d0fc19f21dc0ecc4eaca55d0db07e37c6c03fcaeb796cbf3627819fff065",
         "4b3d8287b0eb06ebe82a1748c42be2311775ff89d26a3bcdf854099dc8930c13"
      ],
      "chainmerklebranch": [
         "8ffe0472882879986f7659d184d4c8d379ff994dac97b7edee097c1317b82d04"
      ],
      "parentblock": "01000000e9c0970acbe711064febfd8a40ed20d9710c5847f70aaa92bc0c000000000000b3432e6b0f6878675efd76c0f5e499dc66519296304b6604426a332052b153047b81f14e68860e1a89a62820"
   },
   "previousblockhash": "7eb56572fcf692835e92760428243a8fe25284a236ac68aa9474ade1d74f1283",
   "nextblockhash": "00000000004ded4adfecf21babd66f463dc338d97fa81a543c2ffc1d34847b46"

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A very weird block Possibly why:

https://github.com/FuzzyBearBTC/i0coin/commit/4df99def12070140a28d6bae8281c4cd3b557ada

Enable merge mining as the primary chain at block 160,000

Code:

@doublec
doublec committed on Nov 30, 2011 
1 parent 051f16b commit 4df99def12070140a28d6bae8281c4cd3b557ada

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160,999 (orig block 161,000 - start of merge mining as primary chain, stores all auxpow headers):
Block header (10 lead zeros, like BTC Block 0)

Code:

00000000004ded4adfecf21babd66f463dc338d97fa81a543c2ffc1d34847b46

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/i0c/block.dws?160999.htm
***tx size is 0.2 kb, 0.5 kb less than the block before and after it***
Raw block looks very different than block prev/after, not looking merge mined like auxiliary chain blocks b4 and after

Code:

{
   "hash": "00000000004ded4adfecf21babd66f463dc338d97fa81a543c2ffc1d34847b46",
   "confirmations": 3161571,
   "size": 215,
   "height": 160999,
   "version": 131073,
   "merkleroot": "a3d1f3a81ba9beddce3659c82f5349a90bda11f9432f042fc619a01b1176ac93",
   "tx": [
      "a3d1f3a81ba9beddce3659c82f5349a90bda11f9432f042fc619a01b1176ac93"
   ],
   "time": 1324450414,
   "mediantime": 1324449702,
   "nonce": 1298408568,
   "bits": "1b6aae41",
   "difficulty": 614.30992394254,
   "chainwork": "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000046294413980b670",
   "previousblockhash": "6b9a3e704564ed1c453939f0d3767d76ff78a07831bbbc5f1b14591a514eb7ad",
   "nextblockhash": "601581f84984f86f5c4d080b2e32bd1c4da4061730fd9bc6b4ce08c65b30c4bd"
}

Where is parent block, etc???

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Back to regular old looking secondary chain auxpow block like 160,998...
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161,000 (orig block 161,001 - back to normal looking block header - in regard to leading 00's):
Block header:

Code:

601581f84984f86f5c4d080b2e32bd1c4da4061730fd9bc6b4ce08c65b30c4bd

[ur]https://chainz.cryptoid.info/i0c/block.dws?161000.htm[/url]
Raw Block looks more like 160,998

Code:

{
   "hash": "6b9a3e704564ed1c453939f0d3767d76ff78a07831bbbc5f1b14591a514eb7ad",
   "confirmations": 3161572,
   "size": 678,
   "height": 160998,
   "version": 131329,
   "merkleroot": "5bc5a14d6b8d9202f6842a004d33cbd490fb71cb244656318c1c025dd9c1fe5e",
   "tx": [
      "5bc5a14d6b8d9202f6842a004d33cbd490fb71cb244656318c1c025dd9c1fe5e"
   ],
   "time": 1324450122,
   "mediantime": 1324449657,
   "nonce": 0,
   "bits": "1b6aae41",
   "difficulty": 614.30992394254,
   "chainwork": "000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000046291dae7c337c6",
   "auxpow": {
      "tx": {
         "hex": "01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff350468860e1a012e522cfabe6d6d8d854a807077b4346ac95943054c0b153577e923184dfdf3f5cc70a69e26efe70200000000000000ffffffff0120930d2a010000004341044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459aac00000000",
         "txid": "d192b46cd29bf3c07aa4307575bb7b38b8d1045c8c436fe3d32b2d6b6b02b89c",
         "version": 1,
         "locktime": 0,
         "vin": [
            {
               "coinbase": "0468860e1a012e522cfabe6d6d8d854a807077b4346ac95943054c0b153577e923184dfdf3f5cc70a69e26efe70200000000000000",
               "sequence": 4294967295
            }
         ],
         "vout": [
            {
               "value": 50.005,
               "n": 0,
               "scriptPubKey": {
                  "asm": "044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459a OP_CHECKSIG",
                  "hex": "41044361d351c1576b00f7e0c62fcce38d31e6e8bf10431e603819cf8718848a21de8019941f7e8fb0cfe2a4941362a5ce42f0cebfd7cd58c725e3c844a1d5e4459aac",
                  "reqSigs": 1,
                  "type": "pubkey",
                  "addresses": [
                     "jULbSZhbU5667eHcTJPtrCKV95DwpqvLoh"
                  ]
               }
            }
         ],
         "blockhash": "00000000000630407bc6daf64bb3f7553fa18c4520bd33dbaea6e4db3a161d2e"
      },
      "index": 0,
      "chainindex": 0,
      "merklebranch": [
         "9fe08626f3c82dffc9c1319744ee49e1eb66c7ddfd6be8a420a1fa392835c5cb",
         "eca2353a098f02943d49ef6fd191b515cf80582751e476169cf3b100644acf87",
         "9944d0fc19f21dc0ecc4eaca55d0db07e37c6c03fcaeb796cbf3627819fff065",
         "4b3d8287b0eb06ebe82a1748c42be2311775ff89d26a3bcdf854099dc8930c13"
      ],
      "chainmerklebranch": [
         "8ffe0472882879986f7659d184d4c8d379ff994dac97b7edee097c1317b82d04"
      ],
      "parentblock": "01000000e9c0970acbe711064febfd8a40ed20d9710c5847f70aaa92bc0c000000000000b3432e6b0f6878675efd76c0f5e499dc66519296304b6604426a332052b153047b81f14e68860e1a89a62820"
   },
   "previousblockhash": "7eb56572fcf692835e92760428243a8fe25284a236ac68aa9474ade1d74f1283",
   "nextblockhash": "00000000004ded4adfecf21babd66f463dc338d97fa81a543c2ffc1d34847b46"

Note: Merge Mining info (parentblock, etc) returns

Finally here's a link to rsnel's old I0coin page from back in 2013 where he addresses some questions on memory use:

https://i0coin.snel.it/

[wiked1]

Code:

@doublec
doublec committed on Nov 30, 2011 
1 parent 051f16b commit 4df99def12070140a28d6bae8281c4cd3b557ada

doublec is also one of Satoshi's aliases  

[realdantreccia]

Code:

@doublec
doublec committed on Nov 30, 2011 
1 parent 051f16b commit 4df99def12070140a28d6bae8281c4cd3b557ada

doublec is also one of Satoshi's aliases  

Go on...

Good old Ibcoin!

[realdantreccia]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

That’s all fine and great for hacker coding extraordinaires, such as yourself and I.   

But there’s a huge problem with using the stellar and horizon network as you suggest.  Firstly, how secure is it.  Not much left of these old coins to lose.  Secondly and most importantly, I’ve talked to very computer literate guys who had a hard time trading on these platforms.  Making it user friendly where an average person can trade on both platforms and making it Unhackable should be job 1.  Until then I doing you’ll get 1% adoption - people will continue using exchanges and cold wallets.  Adding a user friendly iOS app would be a game changer. 

I believe in ya, MarkM.  You can DO IT! 

What's so hard about going to lfm.knotwork.com:7776 if you don't wanna set up your own server and access your UI from localhost?

You don't TRUST markm? For shame

[Vlad2Vlad]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

That’s all fine and great for hacker coding extraordinaires, such as yourself and I.   

But there’s a huge problem with using the stellar and horizon network as you suggest.  Firstly, how secure is it.  Not much left of these old coins to lose.  Secondly and most importantly, I’ve talked to very computer literate guys who had a hard time trading on these platforms.  Making it user friendly where an average person can trade on both platforms and making it Unhackable should be job 1.  Until then I doing you’ll get 1% adoption - people will continue using exchanges and cold wallets.  Adding a user friendly iOS app would be a game changer. 

I believe in ya, MarkM.  You can DO IT! 

What's so hard about going to lfm.knotwork.com:7776 if you don't wanna set up your own server and access your UI from localhost?

You don't TRUST markm? For shame

I trust markM and I like him but something like this by now should be as easy as An app and secure.  My paranoia has gone up a bit after so many lies by fake people and so much theft.  I avoid complexities in crypto when possible. 

[realdantreccia]

I0Coin and IXCoin are both excellent coins, unlike DeVCoin they have very little minting, which really helps build the prices.

It has over and over again been just a matter of time to build them up to $1 per coin, it is mostly fly by night exchanges claiming to be hakced that keep crushing the price again. Already we are months in toward building buy-sides back up again though maybe this time we will get them up higher than $1 each before the exchanges again run with all the funds claiming to have been hacked.

Also though we now can trade them on the HORIZON and STELLAR platforms so yay no matter what the other exchanges do hopefully this time we can just keep on keeping on onward and upward.

-MarkM-

That’s all fine and great for hacker coding extraordinaires, such as yourself and I.   

But there’s a huge problem with using the stellar and horizon network as you suggest.  Firstly, how secure is it.  Not much left of these old coins to lose.  Secondly and most importantly, I’ve talked to very computer literate guys who had a hard time trading on these platforms.  Making it user friendly where an average person can trade on both platforms and making it Unhackable should be job 1.  Until then I doing you’ll get 1% adoption - people will continue using exchanges and cold wallets.  Adding a user friendly iOS app would be a game changer. 

I believe in ya, MarkM.  You can DO IT! 

What's so hard about going to lfm.knotwork.com:7776 if you don't wanna set up your own server and access your UI from localhost?

You don't TRUST markm? For shame

I trust markM and I like him but something like this by now should be as easy as An app and secure.  My paranoia has gone up a bit after so many lies by fake people and so much theft.  I avoid complexities in crypto when possible. 

well - I still hold and I'm still here. Nothing REAL-er than that.

[kickback]

 I have downloaded the pruned blockchain and extracted the folder into roaming files but when I try to open the client it just says loading block index for hours and fails to open.After leaving it running for 24 hours trying to open it still fails and also it refuses to shutdown with it saying shutting down do not shut down computer until message has closed. It basically hijacks all the resources on the computer and still won't open. Does anyone know what the issue is

[hornetsnest]

 I have downloaded the pruned blockchain and extracted the folder into roaming files but when I try to open the client it just says loading block index for hours and fails to open.After leaving it running for 24 hours trying to open it still fails and also it refuses to shutdown with it saying shutting down do not shut down computer until message has closed. It basically hijacks all the resources on the computer and still won't open. Does anyone know what the issue is

If you are using an old wallet.dat just remove it and let client generate one itself with zero balance until it's synced.Check your i0coin.conf file and confirm the details below.It takes ages but you can get the blockchain loaded up to a few weeks behind without an internet connection.


#I0coin configuration file

prune=550

addnode=51.254.131.226
addnode=64.71.72.56
addnode=82.200.205.30
addnode=49.1.244.239
addnode=64.156.193.100
addnode=99.192.82.190
addnode=51.254.45.117
addnode=ybs6nrn4bpvckalt.onion
addnode=7oka42m6h3rbxxzj.onion
addnode=ratowbkpyuc37dxq.onion
addnode=vhzsxbqwjhi5zjat.onion

[kickback]

 I have downloaded the pruned blockchain and extracted the folder into roaming files but when I try to open the client it just says loading block index for hours and fails to open.After leaving it running for 24 hours trying to open it still fails and also it refuses to shutdown with it saying shutting down do not shut down computer until message has closed. It basically hijacks all the resources on the computer and still won't open. Does anyone know what the issue is

If you are using an old wallet.dat just remove it and let client generate one itself with zero balance until it's synced.Check your i0coin.conf file and confirm the details below.It takes ages but you can get the blockchain loaded up to a few weeks behind without an internet connection.


#I0coin configuration file

prune=550

addnode=51.254.131.226
addnode=64.71.72.56
addnode=82.200.205.30
addnode=49.1.244.239
addnode=64.156.193.100
addnode=99.192.82.190
addnode=51.254.45.117
addnode=ybs6nrn4bpvckalt.onion
addnode=7oka42m6h3rbxxzj.onion
addnode=ratowbkpyuc37dxq.onion
addnode=vhzsxbqwjhi5zjat.onion

Thanks  I eventually synced my wallet and balance is showing but it still takes hours to reopen after shutting it down 

[hornetsnest]

but it still takes hours to reopen after shutting it down  

Yes kickback ...but nobody said it was going to be easy.If it was easy every pleb would be using it...like all those muppets that trade liberty for security  or privacy for convenience. Freedom requires an appetite for discomfort

[Apocalipsa]

but it still takes hours to reopen after shutting it down  

Yes kickback ...but nobody said it was going to be easy.If it was easy every pleb would be using it...like all those muppets that trade liberty for security  or privacy for convenience. Freedom requires an appetite for discomfort

So no closed source instant txs?  Then why not visa and MasterCard? 

[hornetsnest]

but it still takes hours to reopen after shutting it down  

Yes kickback ...but nobody said it was going to be easy.If it was easy every pleb would be using it...like all those muppets that trade liberty for security  or privacy for convenience. Freedom requires an appetite for discomfort

So no closed source instant txs?  Then why not visa and MasterCard?  

Why do you think this? Theres nothing wrong with proprietary systems that are underwriting risk when thangs go south now and then.The plebs money is safer in the bank anyway.Bank gets robbed but they still get their money.Pleb gets scammed ...mastercard takes the hit.
What happens when plebians download a wallet and its full of viruses or pleb forgets his key,seed code,passphrase? Whos he gonna call?Ghostbusters?? Ain't nobody got time for that shitz  ..........but I do admire those self sufficient folk who live off grid all the same.I bet some of those peeps even see crypto for what it really is.It's a means to an end where through a gradual process slavery is sold as freedom and sticking it to the man. For the masses there can be no escape from the man unless he wants to live like those good folk