XBTec Announce. New ASIC manufacturer.

[dogie]

Actually next week....Dogie is getting a sample he mentioned in the first page. So he will do one of his fantabulous reviews and teardowns on the hardware. That's a good start to validating the claims.

Probably about 10-13 days before lands at my door. This one will go up ASAP on arrival, I'm on the lookout.

[minerpumpkin]

Actually next week....Dogie is getting a sample he mentioned in the first page. So he will do one of his fantabulous reviews and teardowns on the hardware. That's a good start to validating the claims.

Probably about 10-13 days before lands at my door. This one will go up ASAP on arrival, I'm on the lookout.

Don't bite the postman 

[tzortz]

Lets see , but I bet they will be around at +1.1w/ghs at the wall.

[jimmothy]

Lets see , but I bet they will be around at +1.1w/ghs at the wall.

How much are you willing to bet?

[IamCANADIAN013]

Actually next week....Dogie is getting a sample he mentioned in the first page. So he will do one of his fantabulous reviews and teardowns on the hardware. That's a good start to validating the claims.

If Dogie says the miner works as they claim, that's good enough for me.  My only concern at that point would be that it was a one off miner and the others they make won't work at the same efficiently as the one that they sent to Dogie.

[tzortz]

Lets see , but I bet they will be around at +1.1w/ghs at the wall.

How much are you willing to bet?

The same you bet against Spondoolies.

Are you in?

[jimmothy]

Lets see , but I bet they will be around at +1.1w/ghs at the wall.

How much are you willing to bet?

The same you bet against Spondoolies.

Are you in?

0.1 btc to seansoutpost?

1.1+w/gh at the wall and you win. Anything better than that and I win.

Deal?

[tzortz]

Dump selling miners with last year performance isn't blowing my mind yet.

Not sure what dump selling but I don't know what you're on about performance. 0.7w/gh at the wall is not last years performance.

And I don't think you were nearly as unenthusiastic when spondoolies released the same exact specs 2 months ago for 3 times the price. They are just as late to the game as asicminer.

Difference being AM/empire actually wants to compete with the market in terms of cost where as spondoolies is lagging behind.

This is not fair.

You said 0.7w , I said 1.1w.
Lets agree in the middle, means 0.9w/Ghs at the wall.

Anything better than that and YOU win.

Agree?

[tzortz]

I'm in.

[Zelek Uther]

Dump selling miners with last year performance isn't blowing my mind yet.

Not sure what dump selling but I don't know what you're on about performance. 0.7w/gh at the wall is not last years performance.

And I don't think you were nearly as unenthusiastic when spondoolies released the same exact specs 2 months ago for 3 times the price. They are just as late to the game as asicminer.

Difference being AM/empire actually wants to compete with the market in terms of cost where as spondoolies is lagging behind.

This is not fair.

You said 0.7w , I said 1.1w.
Lets agree in the middle, means 0.9w/Ghs at the wall.

Anything better than that and YOU win.

Agree?

.7 or .8 jim wins

.1 or 1.1 tzortz wins

.9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost

If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free.

I think you meant:
1.0 or 1.1 tzortz wins

Basically:
< 0.9 J/GH jimmothy wins
>= 1.0 J/GH tzortz wins
>= 0.9 and < 1.0 "break even", whatever that means. Maybe it's "close enough" and no-one wins or loses.

[tzortz]

But Jim insisted on the 0.7j/gh scenario.

He did not say 0.9j/gh.

[jimmothy]

This is not fair.

You said 0.7w , I said 1.1w.
Lets agree in the middle, means 0.9w/Ghs at the wall.

Anything better than that and YOU win.

Agree?

If it's not fair then you shouldn't have said:

Lets see , but I bet they will be around at +1.1w/ghs at the wall.

I never claimed they would hit 0.7w/gh, only that if they do it will not be "last years performance".

Ill cut you some slack and change the bet to 1+w/gh and you win because I think 0.9w/gh is pretty likely.

Not really willing to bet much based on written claims from a company I know nothing about, however I think AM chips are more than capable of going below 1w/gh.

[Zelek Uther]

But Jim insisted on the 0.7j/gh scenario.

He did not say 0.9j/gh.

I'm just saying, make the bet simple and measurable.

E.g.
< 0.8 J/GH jimmothy wins
>= 0.8 J/GH tzortz wins

... or some variation you are both happy with.

[dogie]

.7 or .8 jim wins

1 or 1.1 tzortz wins

.9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost

If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free.

I can escrow this if you want.

If Dogie says the miner works as they claim, that's good enough for me.  My only concern at that point would be that it was a one off miner and the others they make won't work at the same efficiently as the one that they sent to Dogie.

I would be more impressed if they managed to fake it or bin a single unit 35% more power efficient than normal. Its either going to be as they say, or it won't!

[tzortz]

Deal with escrow.

Are you in Jim?

I can increase the bet to 0.5BTC if you want too.

[jimmothy]

Deal with escrow.

Are you in Jim?

I can increase the bet to 0.5BTC if you want too.

No need for escrow.

And no I don't have that much to gamble.

Deal if you agree to 1+w/gh = you win. Less than that and I win.

[dogie]

.7 or .8 jim wins

1 or 1.1 tzortz wins

.9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost

If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free.

I can escrow this if you want.

I'm sorry, is there something wrong with my original offer of doing it?   

No, just that I would be the person doing the measuring Anyway, we're getting OT again. Hardware.

[tzortz]

Deal with escrow.

Are you in Jim?

I can increase the bet to 0.5BTC if you want too.

No need for escrow.

And no I don't have that much to gamble.

Deal if you agree to 1+w/gh = you win. Less than that and I win.

Although is far from your 0.7w statement, I am in for the 1w/Ghs.

Anything better you win.

[IamCANADIAN013]

.7 or .8 jim wins

1 or 1.1 tzortz wins

.9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost

If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free.

I can escrow this if you want.

If Dogie says the miner works as they claim, that's good enough for me.  My only concern at that point would be that it was a one off miner and the others they make won't work at the same efficiently as the one that they sent to Dogie.

I would be more impressed if they managed to fake it or bin a single unit 35% more power efficient than normal. Its either going to be as they say, or it won't!

K, sweet. Thanks for the clarification.  I don't know a hell of a lot about these things and with all the scams I've seen, I'm leery when I see a new company make claims on their hardware.

I'm in the market to upgrade, and this one does sound intriguing.   

[Bicknellski]

.7 or .8 jim wins

1 or 1.1 tzortz wins

.9 break even - or both donate .1 to seans outpost

If you don't want to wager with bitbet, I can escrow for free.

I can escrow this if you want.

If Dogie says the miner works as they claim, that's good enough for me.  My only concern at that point would be that it was a one off miner and the others they make won't work at the same efficiently as the one that they sent to Dogie.

I would be more impressed if they managed to fake it or bin a single unit 35% more power efficient than normal. Its either going to be as they say, or it won't!

K, sweet. Thanks for the clarification.  I don't know a hell of a lot about these things and with all the scams I've seen, I'm leery when I see a new company make claims on their hardware.

I'm in the market to upgrade, and this one does sound intriguing.   

Never buy anything if you're the "first" customer. Do not buy anything unless the company has proven physical/visual units.

Do other customers already have units from this company? Are they happy? etc.

All questions you ask/verify before you even THINK about sending money for a miner.

+1 ... You are better not buying than buying anything "unproven" when there are companies that do ship from stock already.