NEW POLL: Should newbs and Jr. members be barred from creating ALT ANN threads ?

[mnporter2001]

As you can see I'm a Jr Member and I have voted Yes to banning newbies/Jr Members, I think 90% of newbies and Jr members don't know enough about virtual currency, and to be honest they don't need to what with all the "I will create your currency for you" threads in the services section.

It is dangerous for others to have newbies and other people creating coins they know nothing about really, people invest hard earned money into these coins, and most are run by people who don't have a clue what they are doing..
Cheers
Mark

[ecoinspro]

To create thread for ANN you should be a higher than JR member
I say

[activecoin]

Have you launched a coin lately? And you say your pissed? Man the coin I launched was covered up with a ton of hyped coins, and how does someone recover from a slow launch? It is not easy.
Attracting a community is a bitch, I feel lucky that a few have taken a chance with my project, but the damn thing is now it is just about a centralized coin riding on my personal effort's, not what i wanted.... but all the real decentralized currency supporters seem to be locked into old projects and new strictly anon type of projects, I associate my true identity with what I am doing, don't expect anyone else to but it seems to be a bad way to do things.
I get some crazy replies from exchanges like "not listing coins from unknown devs", haha, how can I not see right through that as scam exchange then? only known devs means you would have to be a part of their network I guess.
 

Hmmm... CB post is interesting.

Altcoin creators could put up BTCX in escrow, putting money where mouth is. Coin must meet certain goals by certain time (and/or even a certain price on a basket of exchanges), maybe with a month after end date to resolve any issues escrow provider is unsatisfied with.

CB makes some good points, But restricting the free market is always a bad thing in my book, might I suggest a network that is against the scam artist's and can monitor and uncover what they do? Anybody know what that would cost? Maybe we need vigilantes,.
If I had been asked to disclose my fnances I am sure I would not have been approved to launch something that I felt was needed for my lifestyle, plus, meeting certain goals could be smashed by the next 'epic' coin and if success being determined by a lone person who weighs things according to their perspective, how do you choose that one person?
The scam coins do turn people off to crypto and that is what pisses me off the most, when one person is scammed over and over they become proponents against crypto and slander it to no end.

DougB62 trolling is effective and and is used as a major piece to good pump and dump schemes, FUD is harmful or would otherwise not have a name, but yeah.. mining a new coin brings excitement and can outweigh the negative comment's, but not if the comments and negative crap start's early.

If anyone pushes for changes it should be implemented in the new forum software, the newbie term should be dropped and a more professional approach could be taken, might have deterred me from starting on my alt mission.

As you can see I'm a Jr Member and I have voted Yes to banning newbies/Jr Members, I think 90% of newbies and Jr members don't know enough about virtual currency, and to be honest they don't need to what with all the "I will create your currency for you" threads in the services section.

It is dangerous for others to have newbies and other people creating coins they know nothing about really, people invest hard earned money into these coins, and most are run by people who don't have a clue what they are doing..
Cheers
Mark

Crypto Technology should not be limited to just the people that develop it, grocery merchants could use it as a coupon or points network that would help them to promote their business, making points transferable and exchangeable gives incentive for someone to earn them, as a start
There is nothing dangerous about newbies creating coins, the danger is investing in those coins, but the greater threat to someones investment is the scam coins run by the experienced scammers that appear again and again with the same tricks and the same avenues of performing the tricks.

To create thread for ANN you should be a higher than JR member
I say

So restricting free speech is a good thing?

[ondratra]

Imho "Create a Jr. Member/ Newbie ANN subsection" is best alternative. Everyone should be able to announce his service. Restricting some users from announcing would cause some kind of censorship and filter information that may be actually usefull. E.g. Someone serious want to create account with his brand as name and then he is without ability to announce his service with this account until Member.

[digitalindustry]

Create Jnr - Noob section

but have it on the front page and just under the original ANN -

but also put a picture of Ann on it -

it will never happen thats why i voted for it, but i like it how it is now as well.

[digitalindustry]

the only reason i voted for that is because it won't stifle the great innovation that comes form these currencies.

[NewWorldCoiner]

No-one should be banned, that wouldn't work in anyone's favour. Skilled dev's who are recently new to crypto may have brilliant ideas which never see the light of day if they are banned from creating a coin. Similarly, some people may have been on the scene for some time, but a lack of posts deems them a newbie.

However, as a newbie myself, I for one have had ENOUGH of all these shit, scam clones that are destroying this community, this industry, economy, whatever you want to call it, it has to stop, I mean how much longer can it go on without it becoming seriously damaging to BTC? The average man in the street doesn't even know what BTC is, but he's about to be confronted with an onslaught of shitcoins that's going to make the whole of crypto look like a joke. There's been hardly any new money flowing in to the system for months, and I believe this is the main reason.

What will happen to the hundreds of cloned coins out there? Who knows, but I think inevitably some of them will be picked up by criminal gangs and used to trade for their chosen commodity, whatever it may be. Exchanges only care about volume, all the criminal wants is clean, safe profit. Crypto gives him exactly what he needs, fast global transfers in an un-regulated, tax-free system, with a high level of anonymity, he couldn't have designed it better if he tried.

Well, that's my rant over, I've been trying to troll scam threads into in-to the ground as I find them, for me the funniest, and most expensive I've found is Universalcoin.
By my reckoning they want a total of 20,000 BTC for their IPO. Is that some kind of record? Can we start a Hall of Shame to keep track of scumbags like these? Might be a good place to educate noobs on what to look out for when they consider new coins.   

[TheMightyX]

I guess you could say that Mr. Nakamoto set the precident. eg the first ever Newbie Crypto Dev

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
Satoshi collaborated with many professionals on his way to creating bitcoin. He also released a technical whitepaper that proved that it wasn't just smoke and mirrors. He had hard CODE to back up his claims.
The new shit thats coming out is simply copy/paste.
These people are paying .1 btc to have coingen.io generate crapcoins for them. They have no technical coding experience and can't contribute anything.



These forums definitely need some regulations and dont give me that crap about any regulation is bad (not directed at you).

Self-regulation/Community regulation is different. We can all agree on a set of standards (not laws). If some anonymous dickhole wants to go create a scam coin on some other site by all means. But we should hold ourselves to a higher esteem here as the original crypto forum.

There are several issues that need to be addressed and could be if people stopped being so fucking apathetic and lazy.

1. No self-moderated threads
There is no reason to allow people to DELETE discussions on their topics other than to manipulate the media and information surrounding the project. Discussion should be promoted, not cherry-picked to minimize the spread of negative information.

2. Minimum post count required to create threads in ANN section.
Lets say 50 is a safe amount, but this could even go so high as 100 without turning away many people.

3. Mandatory escrow for all new project IPO's
No exceptions. Legitimate projects/developers have nothing to fear. Tiered escrow or escrow payments can be negotiated with the community, but escrow should not be a optional choice.


If we just implemented these 3 easy steps, we could reduce and prevent 95% of all the scamming that is going on here and reduce the amount of coin spam. If we don't do something, we are always going to be seen as a fringe society of losers constantly scamming and being scammed.


I am willing to start a petition but I'm not sure that theymos would do anything about it even if we got 50,000 signatures.

Maybe a threat of a class-action lawsuit for knowingly allowing these scams and fraud to take place might change his mind.

I have personally reported a handful of scams to the mods without any help/support from them.
If you allow criminals to engage in illegal activity on your site knowingly, you are then liable for damages.

[hilariousandco]

Most of these alt coins are scams in one way or another, but I'd say 99% of them are only created with one thing in mind: to make their devs money. The vast majority don't care about the coin or the future/long-term development of it, they only care about one thing: a quick profit for them. There's an easy way to put a stop to them or at least slow their growth and that is to just not bother with them. Any coin that has a Pre-mine should be instantly just left alone. Don't bother claiming your free 100 worthless crapcoins that are always going to be worthless, just ignore it and move on. Banning newbie accounts won't help much either. There are many easy ways around that.

[qora dan]

I agree that with every one developing coins and with lots of scammers out there this is a problem to regulate crypto will go against every ting crypto stands for. When the first bank started back in who know when it was also with good intentions most likely and to protect people and look where that's ended up.

[Hippie Tech]

I guess you could say that Mr. Nakamoto set the precident. eg the first ever Newbie Crypto Dev

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
Satoshi collaborated with many professionals on his way to creating bitcoin. He also released a technical whitepaper that proved that it wasn't just smoke and mirrors. He had hard CODE to back up his claims.
The new shit thats coming out is simply copy/paste.
These people are paying .1 btc to have coingen.io generate crapcoins for them. They have no technical coding experience and can't contribute anything.



These forums definitely need some regulations and dont give me that crap about any regulation is bad (not directed at you).

Self-regulation/Community regulation is different. We can all agree on a set of standards (not laws). If some anonymous dickhole wants to go create a scam coin on some other site by all means. But we should hold ourselves to a higher esteem here as the original crypto forum.

There are several issues that need to be addressed and could be if people stopped being so fucking apathetic and lazy.

1. No self-moderated threads
There is no reason to allow people to DELETE discussions on their topics other than to manipulate the media and information surrounding the project. Discussion should be promoted, not cherry-picked to minimize the spread of negative information.

2. Minimum post count required to create threads in ANN section.
Lets say 50 is a safe amount, but this could even go so high as 100 without turning away many people.

3. Mandatory escrow for all new project IPO's
No exceptions. Legitimate projects/developers have nothing to fear. Tiered escrow or escrow payments can be negotiated with the community, but escrow should not be a optional choice.


If we just implemented these 3 easy steps, we could reduce and prevent 95% of all the scamming that is going on here and reduce the amount of coin spam. If we don't do something, we are always going to be seen as a fringe society of losers constantly scamming and being scammed.


I am willing to start a petition but I'm not sure that theymos would do anything about it even if we got 50,000 signatures.

Maybe a threat of a class-action lawsuit for knowingly allowing these scams and fraud to take place might change his mind.

I have personally reported a handful of scams to the mods without any help/support from them.
If you allow criminals to engage in illegal activity on your site knowingly, you are then liable for damages.

We should go it alone and create a miner's union/ trade block that will endorse/approve coins once they pass the smear test. A legit coin foundation, if you will.

[anderl]

You know... the alt coin forum on this site was initially created as a means of filtering out all the various non BTC coins which there were less than a dozen at the time because Bitcoin readers didn't not want to have to sift through them to find Bitcoin relevant information.  the Alt thread became massive and finally to appease members they added sub forums because non BTC readers did not want to have to deal with all the ANN threads.

Now you want a newbie section like the main newbie section that is part of this Bitcoin forum.

So... at what point are you going to figure out that you need to create a separate and distinct website or altcoins with its own newbie section. 

[From Above]

Yes of course

[Hippie Tech]

Yes of course

We will adapt.

The shitcloners will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.

[SomethingElse]

mysterious developer just makes for shadiness.

[soulcity]

[axismundi]

Absolutely without any doubt whatsoever this is a yes, but you cant silence them altogether becuase otherwise the amount of trolling/spamming will increase dramatically, as the bad eggs build accounts.

Whatever anyone says, it is too easy currently for scammers to go through the motions of churning out p&d shitcoins from new accounts named after those coins. Some have become very good at it - personally i dont believe there are that many scammers producing all of them.

A super-shitcoin thread will solve many of the problems but there will be exploitations to it. The onus should be on newbies with ideas to convince established members of the community to endorse their projects, posting an ANN on behalf of the project and in so doing staking their reputation.

Moreover - anyone found to be throwing out a premine pump and dump should have their IP permanently blacklisted (you should be able to find them by searching for ANN's started by inactive accounts), obviously they can use proxy/get a new one but anything which makes their lives harder is a step in the right direction as far as I see it.

[ObscureBean]

I don't think that it's a good idea at all to bar newbs and Jr. from creating ANN threads. I seriously doubt Bitcoin would be where it is now without alt coins.
Alt coins play a vital role in increasing awareness and drawing new people to the crypto world. Unfortunately, you will always find scammers regardless of how tight your defenses are or how high you raise the bar. In the end it doesn't matter that there are a lot of 'shitcoins'. These coins have their communities, people who choose to believe in them and that's ok.
Everyone can choose which coin to invest in and I don't really see how 'shitcoins' in their small limited scope could possibly damage the reputation of cryptocurrencies. Not after MtGox anyway.
If a lot of people are pissed off about new ANN posts popping up all the time in the main section then just create a subsection for the newbs/Jr. I voted for that option.

[michaeladair]

You asked for it... and Bring back the Noobie jail!

[freedomno1]

Since someone brought this back from the necro dead by request
Voted YES but on the condition they have to get whitelisted first
(Sort of related to the newbie jail)