Why are psychics bearish on bitcoin?

[Ibian]

Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

[MatTheCat]

Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.

[fonzie]

Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.

Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.

[Gingermod]

I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.

You can't just make shit up like that.

You're embarrassing yourself.

[protokol]

You realize you will be known as the shroom guy who talks to trees from here on out?

He's the guy who admitted it, to me that makes him more trustworthy.  As long as you don't go totally insane, or have something bad occur while you are tripping, both real possibilities, psychedelics are usually mind expanding.  I'm glad I took a handful of trips back in the 90's.  Never touching that stuff again though.

You do realise that I am fully aware that trees can't talk English, German, Japanense, or any other kind of obscure treepixie language?

When the mind is hit with a phenomena that it doesn't understand, the first thing it does is puts arms and legs on it to transform it into a form which it can readily recognise and deal with. The 'talking' tree was my mind's very first attempt at transcribing the fact that I was aware that this tree was filtering an energy, the exact same energy for which the organism that I refer to as 'my body' is also a filter.

When it comes down it, our whole awareness and experience of the universe consists of our mind transcribing and interpreting sensory information into a form which we can relate to and understand. This occurs on a multi-layered and multi-faceted level, is fractal in nature and is expanding and contracting in various areas or dimensions of reality all the time (at least on an evolutionary time frame).

 

It's not very productive to interpret anything experienced on psychedelics as paranormal. Fun, yes. Interesting, yes. Proof/evidence of supernatural forces? No.

I'm no stranger to psychedelics and other mind altering drugs, and have experienced some very weird phenomena including anthropomorphism of inanimate objects, telepathy, synaesthesia and even full-blown ego-death. However, when I return to baseline, I can see these experiences for what they almost certainly are - hallucinogenic illusions.

I think I've experienced a similar thing to what you're describing, while under the influence of 4-HO-MET and ketamine - I was lying in a field and it seemed as though "nature itself" was trying to communicate, and I felt the energy that you describe, the feeling that everything was inexplicably linked in the same "web of consciousness". I think this can be attributed to the brain innately wanting to make sense of the world, and subconsciously applying "cause and effect" to everything it sees/hears/feels. Also the brain losing its sense of "individuality/ego" and manifesting the different facets of the personality as different beings entirely.

I used to believe in a lot of supernatural phenomena, but over the years I've appreciated the lack of evidence and changed my views accordingly. I therefore think of myself as quite open-minded. If I were to see any evidence of supernatural phenomena when sober, I'd change my outlook straight away, but using psychedelic experiences as proof of anything? Nah.

PS I also think I've felt the same "energy beings" when I first broke through with DMT, it felt like I was in a crystal realm with benevolent entities watching over me, almost pleading with me to stay. I felt like an "avatar" of myself made of pure energy, a bit like the robot in the animatrix film "Matriculated":



I wish I could go back. But until I see any proof of this while in my normal state of consciousness, I'm gonna assume that it was a hallucination brought on by the DMT, and a result of my brain manifesting facets of my mind, as described above. Still absolutely amazing though, I was in tears of joy when I came back to reality. I don't pretend to understand this shit, but it's totally illogical to think of it as proof of anything paranormal.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

Yeah I have never felt that psychedelics could connect me to any kind of paranormal/ spiritual reality, they felt more like a very clever and insightful manipulation of brain chemistry.
They kinda reinforced my ontological materialism.

I've also had the classic "telepathy" experience on LSD when you feel like the boundaries between your Self and the Self of others are completely dissolving, and you have the very strong impression that the person in front of you knows exactly what you are thinking, followed by what feel like validations and proof that you and the other in front of you are indeed communicating telepathically.

While the subjective sense of realness of the experience is undeniable, afterwards I've always found myself convinced of the fact that it was only a powerful display of the ability of our brains to create mind bending illusions (although very interesting and resourceful).

I've always tried to enter the experiences with an open mind though, I swear  

[protokol]

Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.

Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.

Hah I'm imagining a really bad trip where I'm trying to follow a stubby little green monolith through a forest of huge red glowing ones. Also, the forest has bears, and I ask a weird Japanese guy where the train station is. He doesn't speak English.

[Cassius]

This is a much better thread than all those trains and rockets. Shame about the idiots though.
Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?
On the unconscious mind, I'm not into drugs but I did use to work as a therapist. The stuff people's minds are capable of doing in the interests of emotional self-preservation (which for most of us means day-to-day life) is just incredible. Some of it is literally unbelievable. Most people don't know a fraction of it, and that's kind of the point. Parts of your mind protect you from yourself, and they can be remarkably creative in the process.
On or off drugs, the mind is pretty awesome and it's a lot like an iceberg, so whether you're talking about drugs or psychics or therapy or whatever, it's not smart to assume you know the reason you think even half of what you do.

[YipYip]

Ive finally got the connection ...all bears love psychic's

Its science biatch ...lolz

[derpinheimer]

shit, i noticed the word was psychics.. didn't know we're crazy enough to talk about what psychics think about bitcoin.

IKR? De'ze people nthn but thieves.

[the_sunship]

I thought psychics read the energy of the person. They can "read " the persons future by  sensing the energy the person is giving out. We are generally not aware of the kind of vibes we are giving out. Some people are very sensitive to this. That doesn't mean they can predict the numbers at a casino, but they may be able to sense if someone has a poverty based mentality.

Anyway, bitcoin could do extremely well but an investor could still lose all their money. The poor people keeping funds on mt gox are an example. Lord knows what other scams are coming....

[blatchcorn]

Sure sure, energy, cells, I get it duder. Incidentally, which language was the tree speaking in?

English.

With an Olde Worlde rural West Country accent.

If you must know.

Mat , is there a small or huge difference between fly agaric mushrooms and average magic mushrooms, meskalin, LSD.
I tried almost everything, but never considered fly agaric as very interesting. I am also aware of your described paranormal phenomenons.
Do i need to try them? Have you ever tried to trade on psychedelics, you will get a horrible performance only trading on dissociativa is worse.
Amphetamin and Opiate however increase my day trading skills massive.
In all of my high dose psychedelic, ketamin whatever dreams, i see nothing else but a horrible crash for Bitcoin even if the trip is generally of a positive nature.

Hahaha
Keep up the good effort Fonzie. Must be hard spreading FUD these days.

[Miz4r]

I believe in the strong possibility of paranormal phenomenon. The very fact that I am conscious and that there is consciusness is evidence of it to me. However, this does not mean that I believe in the credibility or the skill of self-proclaimed psychics or believe the predictions of any of the people who I have mentioned in this thread.

You can't just make shit up like that.

You're embarrassing yourself.

I'm on the side of Tera and MatTheCat on this one, paranormal phenomenon are real and science has it all backwards. Physical reality and consciousness are interconnected and can not exist without one another, the physical world did not create consciousness as is the commonly accepted thought among scientists. They believe in an objective physical reality outside ourselves that created our conscious minds through an evolutionary process. And somehow magically we end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious... I think it's the other way around: consciousness created the physical reality around us or perhaps better stated they are two sides of the exact same coin. Look at quantum physics and how it incorporates consciousness (the observer effect) into its formulas and the weird and seemingly 'impossible' phenomenon it produces. But for some reason they don't call that paranormal even though it defies all logic and our normal understanding of things. Trying to rationalize everything and putting it within your own materialistic egocentric oriented frame of mind might work for you, but in the end you just can't ignore that reality is much bigger than what our 5 senses limits us to see. I have seen and experienced things that I know I can´t explain using regular logic or what is generally accepted as reality. There are so many things people are completely in the dark about, it's just sad really because you´re locking yourself up inside a self-made prison.

Oh well rant over, most will probably think I'm crazy but some of you will know deep down there's something to this.

[u9y42]

I'm on the side of Tera and MatTheCat on this one, paranormal phenomenon are real and science has it all backwards. Physical reality and consciousness are interconnected and can not exist without one another, the physical world did not create consciousness as is the commonly accepted thought among scientists. They believe in an objective physical reality outside ourselves that created our conscious minds through an evolutionary process. And somehow magically we end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious... I think it's the other way around: consciousness created the physical reality around us or perhaps better stated they are two sides of the exact same coin. Look at quantum physics and how it incorporates consciousness (the observer effect) into its formulas and the weird and seemingly 'impossible' phenomenon it produces. But for some reason they don't call that paranormal even though it defies all logic and our normal understanding of things. Trying to rationalize everything and putting it within your own materialistic egocentric oriented frame of mind might work for you, but in the end you just can't ignore that reality is much bigger than what our 5 senses limits us to see. I have seen and experienced things that I know I can´t explain using regular logic or what is generally accepted as reality. There are so many things people are completely in the dark about, it's just sad really because you´re locking yourself up inside a self-made prison.

Oh well rant over, most will probably think I'm crazy but some of you will know deep down there's something to this.

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't like paranormal phenomenon as described in this thread to be real. That said, I guess I'm one of those that believes that consciousness follows from the physical reality we're in.

As such, I see a few problems with your post. What do you mean by we "magically end up right here in this time period being alive and conscious"? I think you have that backwards; if the physical conditions weren't here for us or any other form of life to exist, we simply wouldn't exist. If the conditions were slightly different, life would have adapted, and we wouldn't be here, but rather a more appropriate form of life. Other than that, there is nothing special about this particular moment in time or space.

Also, quantum physics doesn't incorporate consciousness, you don't need a conscious observer; the action of observing in this context is analogous to "interacts with". So, a brick wall will do just as well as a human, as far as the observer effect is concerned. And the phenomena it deals with is indeed strange, but you have to understand that is natural, considering it's not something we've ever had to deal with during our 4 billion year evolution. But that doesn't automatically turn it into magic; it's just something we can not apply "common sense" to, as nothing ever trained us to deal with it.

[serenitys]

Bitcoin has gone up almost 100 fold in only a year, and it's still worth about 50 times as much as it was at the beginning of last year. This would make anyone intuitively scared for a huge crash I think, especially if they don't really understand Bitcoin and look at it from a distance. I doubt these psychics understand anything about the technology, and as they rely mostly on their heightened intuitive sense they are likely to 'feel' it's going to crash due to some hack/virus/whatever. By the way I actually believe in psychic abilities, but there are more scammers in that field than there are in the Bitcoin world. Also I have rarely heard a psychic make a public prediction that came true, unless it was a generic prediction that was likely to come true anyway. An honest and real psychic would probably not make public predictions or would be more humble about his own abilities. They can feel or pick up on certain things, but there is always noise and information being lost during the interpretation and translation into words of those things they pick up.

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence. Psychics are woo. Technology is real.

The reason psychics get it wrong is because they're full of shit. They're still full of shit when they get it right.

Take away lesson: psychics are full of shit.

With one caveat: psychic tells you someone will steal your money. You pay psychic money to tell you that. Psychic still full of shit. You're a tard. 

[TERA]

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

[raskul]

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

i'll set up a node once you have compiled it 

[Ibian]

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

Oh oh, and wands. To make bigger fireballs. They count as technology right?

[serenitys]

Psychics and technology don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't think so. I would be interested in building technology that enhances psychic abilities. For example Cerebro in Xmen.

i'll set up a node once you have compiled it 

Well yeah...there's that 

[TERA]

Tera: I'm confused. You say you believe in the psychics' abilities, but your position is still long. You've made a decision to go against their opinion. How does that square?

I don't believe in the credibility and accuracy of individual self proclaimed professional psychics to actually harness psychic abilities and be powerful enough to make accurate predictions. I for one have been practicing psionics for 15 years and my abilities are still shit, so it is hard for me to trust anyone else. I also don't believe that the future is neccessarily set in stone. In addition, I believe that psychics could have their energies and predictions interfered with by other forces and other psychics. For example, if there are bulls who want to accumulate as many bitcoins as possible and they are also powerful psions, they could be engaging in psychic combat with the mainstream psychics by projecting out bad energies and visions of crashes.

tl;dr I stick to my guns and use technical analysis for my trading.