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July 23, 2014, 01:35:04 AM
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I posted this topic recently
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687852

Its sadly becoming more true as Bittrex becomes the top exchange.

It would be nice if users simply didn't buy in to new coins they add, this would send a message to them that we are sick and tired of them letting scamcoins thrive and hurting the average joe user as they have been doing for a while now.
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July 23, 2014, 03:31:38 AM
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adding coisn and deleting - sucks. cryptsy after adding always keeps coins ie the ydo LTC market.

but bittrex added to many on start ie shitty and scammy CGB. those need to die, but others that dont fork all the time should stay

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July 23, 2014, 11:39:40 AM
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If we look at CNL as an example, how is Bittrex supposed to curtail that sort of thing happening? What really happened there? The dev promised pie in the sky tech, people bought it, and he never came back. How was Bittrex supposed to know that would happen? I think Bittrex is doing fine. Obviously they don't want to get attacked so they'll scan for hidden premines, viruses, exploits, etc. but beyond that it's the market's job to determine if a coin is a "scam" or not. Who knows, maybe the CNL dev really meant to follow through but he got hit by a bus when he stepped off the curb.


"sure" it's the investors job to get his info on a coin but as it is right now I know quite a few people who haven't bought a bittrex launch for a while as there is literally not regulation to avoid these situation. Nothing to protect our money. I believe all the centralized exchange around the world aren't simply launching stock market w/o knowing what's up with the company and owners. I for one, I'm done with this shit and will only invest in coins that I have a "proof of dev".

I'm sure this trend is already started and the alt volume is going to drop until it's resolved. Bittrex would be better to protect their customer over protecting the scammers/dev. Otherwise their business plan to add every coin that promise the moon will back fire in their face and soon they will find themselves to be the new polo or cryptsy.

What you are talking about is totally reasonable. If you aren't sure about a coin, don't buy it! And the price will reflect that. As long as the coin is not a virus or actively trying to literally scam you by stealing your Bitcoin wallet or something, then it doesn't matter one ounce what the dev promises to do. Almost every single alt coin today rose because the dev promised things in the future. It is up to investors to decide whether it is worth it to trust that particular developer and to invest in their coin. That is the whole point of a market and an exchange. It is not Bittrex's job to decide whether a coin is a good investment, and whether the dev will deliver or not. Bittrex is a great exchange.

Sounds like the market is slowly maturing. And that's good news. The blurring-to-blinding proliferation of new alts has gotten to the point where it's almost futile to keep up unless you have a real talent for "artful dodging."

And, as I sad, that's good news! It means that the real winners will select a good coin, buy it when it's quiet, and HODL. I'm doing that with NFD because (for reputational reasons) I pretty much have to...but I was planning to do exactly the same thing with Reddcoin when it was languishing at 5 satoshis. I actually had more than 30 million Redd, but I sold what I had at six satoshis in order to shift into NFD. I know, I missed the big move up to >= 20...but I had plans. Smiley

I think, now most especially, that it's the time for us to remember that anyone who bought Bitcoin in the middle of 2011 was riding a loss for at least six months...a near-eternity here in the wild frontier...






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July 23, 2014, 10:55:44 PM
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I have gotten a reply about what happened to digital commerce from one of the developers and i asked them to come here and speak up about it. Please do not delist Digital Commerce.

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July 24, 2014, 12:58:10 AM
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Don't delist Pesetacoin from Bittrex!
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-PTC

Look at the last volume on your exchange, as well community is strong and discussing on their spanish thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403437.0

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July 24, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
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I agree with most of what's been said here, but also think there needs to be a much wider discussion on the topic. I think that your criticisms are well founded but could be about almost any exchanges not just about Bittrex. I know that there are unscrupulous people developing crypto as well. So what is a solution to bring all these diverse parties to discuss these important issues?

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July 24, 2014, 04:09:44 PM
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i think this 'free market' argument doesnt wash.

we arent dealing with a free market. this is a private company exchange and the markets are highly manipulated.

this 'lofty' type of language is used to justify all the horseshit thats happening on a daily basis.

corny devs keep stealing money from newbs and it has to stop.

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July 24, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
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OK,
So can we start a New Discussion Thread for what features would make a good exchange. What qualifications would make a worthwhile crypto development?
What are known scams? What are good working cryptos and communities? Things like this. Richie has always responded to me, about what is going on with some problem I had with Bittrex. So, let's start having constructive conversations about more "mature markets and cryptos" ...
thanks,
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July 24, 2014, 06:44:33 PM
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In very short time we launched the online store that supports pesetacoin.

The prediction was for tomorrow, Friday, July 25. We decided to delay the launch and doing completely fine for next Tuesday.
We are finishing up a payment gateway that is looking great in PTC

www.coomercia.com
www.lamegashop.es

and more... Wink
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July 24, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
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Don't delist Pesetacoin from Bittrex!
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-PTC

Look at the last volume on your exchange, as well community is strong and discussing on their spanish thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403437.0

+1

PLEASE Don't delist PTC . In a few days something great will happen.
Please wait . A great project will start and PTC is ver y important
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July 24, 2014, 06:52:07 PM
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i can see why bittrex made this thread.

its fun to see people beg  Grin

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July 24, 2014, 06:52:15 PM
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Don't delist Pesetacoin from Bittrex!
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-PTC

Look at the last volume on your exchange, as well community is strong and discussing on their spanish thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403437.0

+1

PLEASE Don't delist PTC . In a few days something great will happen.
Please wait . A great project will start and PTC is ver y important

PLEASE Don't delist PTC
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July 24, 2014, 06:59:53 PM
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Don't delist Pesetacoin from Bittrex!
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-PTC

Look at the last volume on your exchange, as well community is strong and discussing on their spanish thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=403437.0

+1

PLEASE Don't delist PTC . In a few days something great will happen.
Please wait . A great project will start and PTC is ver y important

PLEASE Don't delist PTC

As well, great volume and movements on the order book this days!
Shops and news coming... PTC is a coin with a great future.

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July 24, 2014, 09:54:24 PM
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Please, don't delete PTC

Something amazing is still to come !!!

You will see on Tuesday. Just wait until Tuesday and check it by yourselves. You won't regret
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July 24, 2014, 10:49:03 PM
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Please, don't delete PTC

Something amazing is still to come !!!

You will see on Tuesday. Just wait until Tuesday and check it by yourselves. You won't regret
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Exactly! Project is --> http://coomercia.com
New shops coming for Pesetacoin with lots of products like electronics and many many more!

They're going to accept some cryptos as payment method but PTC is the most special one  Cheesy Wink

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July 25, 2014, 07:59:46 PM
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What I would like to see from a leading exchange like yours is to implement some proof of dev.

- How hard would it be to get the leading dev of interesting coins to chat with one of you in a video call explaining what his coin is, what he intends to do and what not.  

I am sure some of them will still be scam, as a competent person can fool you into accepting his coin but after he fooled the community once, this guy will be barred from your exchange forever with his photo published and what not.,. For their next scam they will need an other competent dev to give the speech and answer your technical guy. A method like this is a bit intrusive but for the sake of crypto, I believe this is almost mandatory at this point.

Bittrex is hurting more than helping the community at this point with all the scams. This is unbelievable how much money has been stolen past few weeks with all this stuff. What might happen at this point is people are going to avoid your site and go back to mintpal and invest in established new coins.

I personally was trading quite a bit 3 weeks ago and barely bought any coins on your exchange since then, and intend to do so until this situation is resolved.

Investing in the dev > investing in a coin right now.

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Proof of Dev? Seriously, you mean all I need is a cool online name, a few BTC, and I can get my coin listed? No wonder the industry has a trust problem....

Think SRO (Self Regulatory Organization), like a stock exchange. People have faith in the stocks because they are on the exchanges. Exchanges have customers because they do their homework before listing a stock. They are not perfect, but the fact they look into companies first deters the unscrupulous.

As an exchange, It is all about trading volume, and that means trading the hottest coins. But paid listings are worrisome.
It begs the question, Who are your most important customers? Those with coins to list? Or, the people that trust you with their coins (Read: Money)? (No good or bad here, it is just a business model thing. But being a customer I prefer the latter)

Why? Because more and more alts have Market Caps approaching the 10's of millions range or higher. This is Real Money. The Mt.Gox collapse was the wake up call. Hey, Real $$! Then Poloniex suffered a loss at their own fault. Now say what you want, but Poloniex recovered and made everyone whole. Like the exchange or not, they have earned a measure of respect. As a result, there is a growing faith that each exchange is not a fraud, but soon they will demand a measure of protection from / by the exchange from coin fraud.

Now with the recent rash of new scam coins should drive this next evolutionary phase. Due Diligence. Some sort of due diligence is needed and or will soon be demanded by traders and investors. Bryce Weiner (think what you want) he has his coins. Will they work? IDK, but when I buy/invest in one, I have some knowledge of what I am getting into and reason to believe it isn't a scam. That doesn't mean it will work, but it seems like the guy is trying.

A clearly defined 'industry standard' set of criteria needs to be (read: will eventually be) developed. Something much more significant than measuring the shouting on social media. It is like a random pat down for people waiting at the gate of a sporting event. Will it keep bad people out, NO. But the simple tactic is enough to make casual evildoer step out of line.

The future of the industry is straight forward. Exchanges that continue listing anything for anyone will lose respect, volume, and desirability.
Exchanges that are serious have no choice than to start regulating themselves. If they don't, the alt industry will suffer significantly. Bottom line, Integrity and Intent count.  (It is also expensive!)

And that sets up the next stage.
Ultimately fragmented industries consolidate. It simple economics; things like economies of scale and shared resources are powerful at the bottom line.

So, anyone hear of any merger talk lately? Uncomfortable with that idea? It doesn't matter. The mergers are coming. And as fast as this industry evolves... I think the first one happens soon, like in the next 3 - 9 months.

You can make it happen,
You can watch it happen,  or
You can sit there and wonder WTF Just happened....  (Capt. Phil Harris)

My complete guess (based on Geography) >> Bittrex & Cryptsy.
Trex has a bit more volume which should go well with Cryptsy's newly (Licensed) Dollar markets. Every US Dollar Cryptsy adds to their accounts increases their desirability. 
Then the US Alt Trading Powerhouse will be ready to go international (read: MintPal) but that bring a lot of expensive legal requirements.
I see Polo gathering up the best of the rest while the high-school project sites fold due to lack of interest. Being in 3rd place (US) maybe Polo should try and get the ball rolling first.
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July 28, 2014, 05:35:48 PM
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@Bittrex-Bill,
what is up with KTK market:

Code:
Bittrex:  Market Offline - Database maintenance

Any more details, when the trading resumes?

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July 28, 2014, 07:42:33 PM
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A clearly defined 'industry standard' set of criteria needs to be (read: will eventually be) developed. Something much more significant than measuring the shouting on social media.

We have a sophisticated and very capable semantic web representation as a foundation:

https://github.com/DOACC

But ... in the situation you outline, the difficulty is that those who have the problem aren't those who own the solution. It's a societal issue, not a technical one -- but the technology will be asked to play a part at some point, we think.

Cheers

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A clearly defined 'industry standard' set of criteria needs to be (read: will eventually be) developed. Something much more significant than measuring the shouting on social media.

We have a sophisticated and very capable semantic web representation as a foundation:

https://github.com/DOACC

But ... in the situation you outline, the difficulty is that those who have the problem aren't those who own the solution. It's a societal issue, not a technical one -- but the technology will be asked to play a part at some point, we think.

Cheers

Graham


having thought about this a bit more:
It comes down to this. Coin users can be anonymous. Mining / Maintaining of the Block chain can be distributed. 

For a coin to have / gain lasting value, The Developer Team, meaning the people involved, must be known and well known at that. In short, the buck has to have a tangible stopping point rather than a community of some sort.
The teams that wins likely won't be the best, but will most certainly make very fewest mistakes along the way.
One could argue that the best way to look at alt coins is as small companies. That may not go over well for some, but that is the reality I see evolving.

The industry has a huge challenge in front of it. At the root, it is called desirability. You can talk about the features and benefits of one coin vs. the other, but.... hey, it is all open source. Which I take to mean: 'Anything you do another can too' 
Ultimately the difference is the commitment of the people, not the community, behind it. Now this makes the devs start sounding like a management team with a product that is virtually given away for free.
The winner won't be the best Dev team, it will be the Dev team with that surround themselves with the best marketing team.

BTW, I have no idea who it will be
Still like the idea of Cryptsy merging with Bittrex... if anyone is listening...

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