God is Reality

[Cortex7]

Scientists don't really have a clue, scientifically, about what happened on earth beyond about 4,500 years ago.

Can you provide any information that supports you?
As fas as i can remember i saw, heard and read pretty much scientific news dating their findings more than 4,5k years...

Indeed @nakazznicek,

Here are some examples that refute @BADecker

Tree ring records > 11,000 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendroclimatology

Ice core records ~ 1 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core

Paleomagnetic records >5 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleomagnetism

[BADecker]

Scientists don't really have a clue, scientifically, about what happened on earth beyond about 4,500 years ago.

Can you provide any information that supports you?
As fas as i can remember i saw, heard and read pretty much scientific news dating their findings more than 4,5k years...

Indeed @nakazznicek,

Here are some examples that refute @BADecker

Tree ring records > 11,000 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendroclimatology

Ice core records ~ 1 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core

Paleomagnetic records >5 Million years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleomagnetism

Actually, all these things are interpretations of certain kinds of evidence. Since we don't know how the evidence was "deposited" there, because we weren't there to observe it, we don't know if we are interpreting it correctly.

While the Bible leaves some of its areas open to interpretation, it is also a book of records, where people recorded what they observed.

Examine the Bible the same way you examine all science, and you will find that the Bible outdoes everything else in all areas of accuracy.

[hyperdimension]

You can't prove shit and scientists can prove a lot of things but not everything
Therefore agnosticism wins by default.

[pandher]

You can't prove shit and scientists can prove a lot of things but not everything
Therefore agnosticism wins by default.

Dismissing something listening to others shows a very high level of stupidity

[Cortex7]

Actually, all these things are interpretations of certain kinds of evidence. Since we don't know how the evidence was "deposited" there, because we weren't there to observe it, we don't know if we are interpreting it correctly.

This I can't argue against, but I will say I feel more comfortable taking an educated guess by extrapolating trends instead of reading the ramblings of some old dudes about "how it all is" .

FFS most all crap written by humans (except hard engineering material) is just subjective drivel. Always has been, always will be.

While the Bible leaves some of its areas open to interpretation, it is also a book of records, where people recorded what they have observed.

Examine the Bible the same way you examine all science, and you will find that the Bible outdoes everything else in all areas of accuracy.

"I saw 16 UFOs last night, they descended in a perfect circle and landed, one of them dropped a ladder, down which came a small grey alien wearing a denim suit."

There! I wrote down a claim in a record, do you trust I am telling the truth?

Any process that requires trusting information is NOT scientific (that's an axiom on which bitcoin is constructed BTW).

Also the bible has been subject to "chinese whispers" where information is corrupted as time passes. For example the 7 days of creation, the oldest known texts do not use the word "day" but "cycle". Not that it matters when the original text was just some dude writing stuff anyway.

Also, Just because something is old doesn't make it better, often it makes it crapper. But lots of people think only old texts can contain truths, like the old fashioned folk were completely trustworthy and never knew how to lie in order manipulate their game, bullshit! They probably lied more profusely because it would have been more difficult to cross reference and audit back then.

[Cortex7]

agnosticism wins by default.

Indeed, plus we are all born agnostic.

[Cortex7]

Sorry for being unclear. The point that I was trying to make is that ALL dating beyond 4,500 years ago, or so, is base on "if" one way or another. "If" isn't fact. "If" is guesswork.

Yes, and the bible is a record of facts only if you believe it.

Just throw off your chains and turn agnostic, then I'll stop trollin you!

[bl4kjaguar]

Just throw off your chains and turn agnostic, then I'll stop trollin you!

You are talking about invisible chains, but what about the real ones?

What about the taxman?

If you do not settle matters quickly with him, your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

And if that happens, you surely won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

[Cortex7]

Just throw off your chains and turn agnostic, then I'll stop trollin you!

You are talking about invisible chains, but what about the real ones?

What about the taxman?

If you do not settle matters quickly with him, your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

And if that happens, you surely won't be free again until you have paid the last penny.

I agree, taxation is a very real thing! Unlike god/nogod which can never be answered.

I think some tax is OK, like payment for upkeep of local systems and services.

But a big slice of the pie goes to military budget allocation... seems like the fucking dark ages!


No tax... We are all free to stop suckling on the systems man nipple and run like a deer into the deep woods... ayeeeeaaa....

Of course if you ran in with a group of "like minded" people then after a few generations it would all start up again, some fat bastard doing less work and "charming" everyone for an easy ride, same old same old. And after several more generations a small village fence might seperate one group from another etc.

The only general solution would be a globally distributed P2P borg like society where no single mind can hold a secret, all minds connected and morals/laws decided by majority voting, all nodes equal (proof of body) but that's a whole other thread i guess.

[bl4kjaguar]

I agree, taxation is a very real thing!

So taxes (tribute) are your reality.

Your buddy BADecker just showed you how you can avoid the taxman, live free, and think for yourself.

Sure, education takes time and effort... But

Isn't that more important than arguing over whose god deserves more tribute?

Isn't it even more important than trolling?

Yes, and the bible is a record of facts only if you believe it.

Just throw off your chains and turn agnostic, then I'll stop trollin you!

Haha! Nice. Yep, you definitely have to pay some taxes or you'll get sent to prison if you get caught. It sucks, but it's one of the things that's often quite necessary

So taxes (tribute) and imprisonment (body-mastery) are your reality.
Maybe the taxman is your god?

More food for thought on this subject:
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1121-Indorsed-Bill-Remedy

[Cortex7]

So taxes (tribute) are your reality.

Maybe yours?

Your buddy BADecker just showed you how you can avoid the taxman, live free, and think for yourself.

He was banging on about god, not taxes.

Sure, education takes time and effort... But Isn't that more important than arguing over whose god deserves more tribute?

I'm agnostic, google it.

Isn't it even more important than trolling?

Mehhh.

So taxes (tribute) and imprisonment (body-mastery) are your reality.

My reality is my wife and three kids.

Maybe the taxman is your god?
More food for thought on this subject:
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showthread.php?1121-Indorsed-Bill-Remedy

Of course fiat money is a pyramid scam, and commercial law is a bondage placed upon your commercial identity, you only just working that out?

I spent a few years living as a freeman under english common law (hardcore), you do not need to pay taxes that you do not deem fair exchange. But I think some taxes are fair exchange.

I still stand under all common law, but do fuck around with some statutes, while my children are young.

You can only be tried under commercial (statute) law with your consent.

This does not mean anything goes, au contrair, as a freeman you must be very responsible and considerate of others, much more so than living as a commercial pleb.

[bl4kjaguar]

So taxes (tribute) are your reality.

Maybe yours?

Plainly, taxes are your reality:

But I think some taxes are fair exchange.

I still stand under all common law, but do fuck around with some statutes, while my children are young.

Taxation is fair exchange??

I think it is more like tribute.

What you are receiving "in exchange" is protection from a racket.

Why is that fair "sometimes"?

[Ayers]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

[bl4kjaguar]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

Science is a "he"?

What about world experience?

If it is not science, it does not exist?

how come everything we've been able to explain so far has made sense and works with other explained laws?

Explain this:

Roberts' Seth books are all readily available for anyone to study and attempt to explain
and the Seth phenomenon and its content are in the domain of world experience -- but far
beyond explanation. I am inclined to take a cautious position approaching expansive
phenomena of this type, merely wanting to emphasize that we can and should no longer
wish them away. As with psychiatric systems, any world view may have its own limits of
relevance. Ours is now being challenged (Beahrs, 1982, p. 172).

http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Problem_of_Seths_Origin.pdf

[bl4kjaguar]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

If you like Penrose, you should check out the ORMEs theory:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_science.html

Anyway, for the scientists, it is THE PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SEA SALT, and that when immersed in oil, it migrates to the oil ! And it has an immediate (after 2-3 minutes) effect on our human body after ingestion. You can even just put the oil on your skin and the ORMEs will make there way to your blood and you will also feel them very strongly after a short while.
That's amazing no ? This ORMES/ORMUS are for real, and just next and whitin us.

Hameroff and Penrose are saying that in order to avoid "seeing" multiple universes at the same time, the quantum coherence created in microtubules by some material (we think the m-state materials) must collapse. What if the quantum coherence did not collapse and we became aware of multiple universes?

[Cortex7]

Taxation is fair exchange??

I think it is more like tribute.

What you are receiving "in exchange" is protection from a racket.

I agree with you, some taxes are tantamount to an extortion racket.

Why is that fair "sometimes"?

Some taxation I view as fair exchange, for example I am happy to contribute to the refuse collection system and maintenance of public grounds in the town I live, the firemen, police and ambulance services etc, the local council tax I pay toward that I view as fair.

[bl4kjaguar]

Some taxation I view as fair exchange, for example I am happy to contribute to the refuse collection system and maintenance of public grounds in the town I live, the firemen, police and ambulance services etc, the local council tax I pay toward that I view as fair.

'We all recognize the racket
about most of the governments
that humanity has ever payed into.
Some of us just go one racket further.'
--My bastardization of Dawkins

[Ayers]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

If you like Penrose, you should check out the ORMEs theory:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_science.html

Anyway, for the scientists, it is THE PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SEA SALT, and that when immersed in oil, it migrates to the oil ! And it has an immediate (after 2-3 minutes) effect on our human body after ingestion. You can even just put the oil on your skin and the ORMEs will make there way to your blood and you will also feel them very strongly after a short while.
That's amazing no ? This ORMES/ORMUS are for real, and just next and whitin us.

Hameroff and Penrose are saying that in order to avoid "seeing" multiple universes at the same time, the quantum coherence created in microtubules by some material (we think the m-state materials) must collapse. What if the quantum coherence did not collapse and we became aware of multiple universes?

i like the ccc theory because i caught up with it without knowing it, then i discovered about penrose ccc

[bl4kjaguar]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

If you like Penrose, you should check out the ORMEs theory:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_science.html

Anyway, for the scientists, it is THE PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SEA SALT, and that when immersed in oil, it migrates to the oil ! And it has an immediate (after 2-3 minutes) effect on our human body after ingestion. You can even just put the oil on your skin and the ORMEs will make there way to your blood and you will also feel them very strongly after a short while.
That's amazing no ? This ORMES/ORMUS are for real, and just next and whitin us.

Hameroff and Penrose are saying that in order to avoid "seeing" multiple universes at the same time, the quantum coherence created in microtubules by some material (we think the m-state materials) must collapse. What if the quantum coherence did not collapse and we became aware of multiple universes?

i like the ccc theory because i caught up with it without knowing it, then i discovered about penrose ccc

I really wonder if such a theory can explain the Problem of Seth's Origin and if so, how?

[RocketSingh]

there is no god, there is only science and his discoveries, looks at the CCC theory, is a fabulous theory

If you like Penrose, you should check out the ORMEs theory:
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/ormus_science.html

Anyway, for the scientists, it is THE PROOF THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE SEA SALT, and that when immersed in oil, it migrates to the oil ! And it has an immediate (after 2-3 minutes) effect on our human body after ingestion. You can even just put the oil on your skin and the ORMEs will make there way to your blood and you will also feel them very strongly after a short while.
That's amazing no ? This ORMES/ORMUS are for real, and just next and whitin us.

Hameroff and Penrose are saying that in order to avoid "seeing" multiple universes at the same time, the quantum coherence created in microtubules by some material (we think the m-state materials) must collapse. What if the quantum coherence did not collapse and we became aware of multiple universes?

Sorry, I could not read your link. It is not readable on bright green. This is hurting my eye !!!