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February 12, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
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Sent BTC to bitcointoss.com yesterday and won but have not yet received my winning payment. As of this post my sent transaction has 167 conformations. No contact info on the site, any suggestions?
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February 14, 2012, 07:52:53 AM
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up to 360 conformations now and still nothing received
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February 14, 2012, 09:35:27 AM
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Here is the info for the BTC sent

Status: 369 confirmations
Date: 2/11/2012 14:54
To: 1BRJ3xdofpTjd1PCHt2phtf6oEzT7MXgtf
Debit: -0.20 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.2005 BTC


And here is the image of the web page after I won




Anybody had a problem like this before or no how I can go about getting it resolved?
Like I said previously there is no contact info on the site itself.
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February 21, 2012, 01:27:47 AM
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whois information:

Quote from: whois.net
[Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in GoDaddy.com, LLC's WhoIs database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy.  This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of GoDaddy.com, LLC.  By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty.  In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
and solicitations of any kind, including spam.  You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field.  In most cases, GoDaddy.com, LLC
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
   Domains By Proxy, LLC

   Registered through: Go Daddy
   Domain Name: BITCOINTOSS.COM

   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.NATIONALNET.COM
      NS2.NATIONALNET.COM


   For complete domain details go to:
   http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=BITCOINTOSS.COM

Doesn't tell us much.

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March 29, 2012, 10:08:40 PM
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I had this problem with 1 or 2 of the 50/50 games, I forget wich ones, but this is probably one of them.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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April 02, 2012, 10:30:52 PM
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from my post on thebitcoinreview
http://www.thebitcoinreview.com/site.php?site_id=839

Think everyone should be aware of sites that may have been operating and working normally over six months ago but have been left up and running currently in hopes of just taking your coins. This is wat conclusion I came too with bitcointoss.com back in February.

After deciding to try out the site I sent .2 BTC to the address provided by the site. This being a one time usage address since after the flip is won or loss your winnings are sent back to you with an address you provide. Luckily I won my first toss. However after waiting 3 or 4 days I never received my payment.

Thread I started concerning no payment
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63615.0

Upon looking more closely at the site I see there is no way to contact anyone with problems or issues about the site. No contact info nothing. This should be a BIG red flag to anyone considering gambling coins on any site. So after exploring a little more I find the original post from the author had announced the game the site offered. Also in that thread on the very last page very last post the author announced he was no longer supporting that site.

announcement thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6526.msg147714#msg147714

Said or offered nothing on the first page. Then he uses another page to mention he is no longer going to be on the forum for anybody trying to get in touch with him. So after looking around more I find he is also running btcriches.com, bitcoindouble.com and bitcoinbalance.com btcriches.com also had no contact info no did bitcoindouble. bitcoinbalance however is suppose to be the wallet service for those two sites. It had a single admin email from which I got no response

the thread for anybody trying to contact him
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=31524

Just feel people should know these sites were setup and running and are still running however any issues arising from these sites which were left running players are unable to get help. Like I said I got lucky I won my first time. No telling how much people have lost and never even knew had they won chances are they would not of been paid. Find it pretty shady. Something else I found to be shady were two sites also from the same author

bitcoinsecurity.com
bitcoinsafety.com

Both with links to bitcointoss on them.

Detailed Whois for each site
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html
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April 03, 2012, 12:07:00 AM
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After deciding to try out the site I sent .2 BTC to the address provided by the site.

has your 0.2 been spent? do you mind telling us which address you sent it to?
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April 03, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
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I sent BTC and won 4 about 3 days ago.  Still nothing. Sad

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April 03, 2012, 01:43:47 AM
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I used to get referrals too, I'd try referring my self to see if I get a pay out, but I think we all know the answer, and I don't want to drop any coins into it.

Need to look around and see where I posted my referral links so I can remove them, if possible.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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April 03, 2012, 01:55:28 AM
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Same problem. I bet and won a bit, but was never paid anything.

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April 08, 2012, 04:01:59 AM
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After deciding to try out the site I sent .2 BTC to the address provided by the site.

has your 0.2 been spent? do you mind telling us which address you sent it to?

Here is the info for the BTC sent

Status: 369 confirmations
Date: 2/11/2012 14:54
To: 1BRJ3xdofpTjd1PCHt2phtf6oEzT7MXgtf
Debit: -0.20 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.2005 BTC

The transaction is posted above, now with 8358 confirmations

Status: 8358 confirmations
Date: 2/11/2012 14:54
To: 1BRJ3xdofpTjd1PCHt2phtf6oEzT7MXgtf
Debit: -0.20 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0005 BTC
Net amount: -0.2005 BTC
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April 08, 2012, 04:29:08 AM
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looks like we can add btcflip to the list also.

"http//btcflip.com = nonpayment after 24h admin contacted"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75793.0

http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html
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April 12, 2012, 07:46:12 PM
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A year ago this month a forum member named doood started a thread for his gambling site bitcointoss. Within a month he changed his forum nickname and also posted that he was no longer supporting the site

Bitcoin Toss - Flip a coin and win double your entry!

"As of now, I am no longer supporting this site"

After the first post below the next three post contain quotes from his original nickname "doood"






A year later bitcointoss and other sites of concern are consuming coins from trusting players. Those that lose may send more coins and try again and those that win wait for there coins to be sent back, but soon find that none are being sent, and then they find many other player with the same story

Attempts have been made to question wat is going on but with little contact information being provided if any on the sites there are very few details to assist in getting any answers.

Still dispensing addresses to anyone that request and still consuming coins from trusting bitcoin patrons

doood aka Alex Beckenham aka STIFF has yet to respond




















The post above shows dooods quotes now showing as "Alex Beckenham" after changing it that day or the day before. Then he states  he is no longer supporting the site. The post below he made two months later and that account hasn't been active since. His sites however are still running and been getting free adverting and support from the forum all year long







Sites like these are not offering enough details or contact information to even consider risking coins. They are stiffing people that are winning coins. How can they be trusted to run a fair game. Have to watch out for -EV prior to ever even gambling.


I'm not quite sure what kind of criteria you are using. Your choices are possible scam or mathematically proven?

For example http://betcoin.eu has been around a while. I imagine maybe the operator got bored and just let it run on it's own. Who knows, maybe he'll be back in this forum again (I think it's been a while since he signed on). But is it a possible scam? It's possible. Likely? Who knows. I guess that get's at my question about the criteria. I know exactly how to make a program that works exactly like http://betcoin.eu but can give fake payouts to me every so often. That doesn't make http://betcoin.eu a scam though. But proven?

i think the same about bitcointoss... sure there's no admin around but i've been paid the two the small bets i've won. seems harsh if there's just some error on the site to call it a scam if the admin's away.


How many more coins must be scammed by this stiff? Let him come speak for himself. As I don't see this happening any post of doood tagged "Alex Beckenham" need to be and should of already been deleted. Every coin that these stiff sites scam players out of are coins that legit sites will never see.


http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html
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May 12, 2012, 12:02:04 AM
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I just made a bet, won, and then saw this thread, and thought all hope was lost. Then I received my winnings.

Granted, it was a .01 bet, so it's not much, but here's the info on it...

Sent to: 1hAmzFduYPzUmvdyq8AdaDXZ41Xc7fspk (tx id 16469fe3101473eb78bafbcb5b9ec01dff212a07f4d44c160462d593fdc50b07)

Received to: 1LtM42kh8AviELwAbGbxCw3VggKvnpTvUW (tx id 8602cf7703e05468f4049ec75121f172dde1a1cbdd0710f5eb68c69fdb184a99)

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May 13, 2012, 03:41:22 AM
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I just made a bet, won, and then saw this thread, and thought all hope was lost. Then I received my winnings.

Granted, it was a .01 bet, so it's not much, but here's the info on it...

Sent to: 1hAmzFduYPzUmvdyq8AdaDXZ41Xc7fspk (tx id 16469fe3101473eb78bafbcb5b9ec01dff212a07f4d44c160462d593fdc50b07)

Received to: 1LtM42kh8AviELwAbGbxCw3VggKvnpTvUW (tx id 8602cf7703e05468f4049ec75121f172dde1a1cbdd0710f5eb68c69fdb184a99)

Its unattended mate, try making a bet of 1btc and see what happens.

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May 13, 2012, 09:49:07 AM
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Yeah unfortunately unsuspecting bitcoin supporters are going to continue losing their coins. Whois now shows a new registrar has registered the domain name for another year.
I'm sure the other affiliated domains will be renewed as they expire also. Spends $5 and can make that back with just 1 coin.






http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcointoss.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcriches.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoindouble.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinbalance.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsafety.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/bitcoinsecurity.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/btcflip.com.html
http://www.robtex.com/dns/flipforbits.com.html
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May 13, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
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Is this not in explicit violation of GoDaddy terms of service?

http://www.godaddy.com/legal-agreements.aspx

Report abuse here:

https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420
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May 13, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
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Is this not in explicit violation of GoDaddy terms of service?

http://www.godaddy.com/legal-agreements.aspx

Report abuse here:

https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420


spam report?

what spam?
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May 14, 2012, 12:32:18 AM
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illegal activity, the exploitation of children, spam, phishing and malware.

This from: https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=22420

Outright fraud is an illegal activity and should clearly qualify as an abuse of their services. Yes?
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May 14, 2012, 05:57:14 AM
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Also renewed for another year




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