Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism?

[bcmine]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

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[gts476]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

[gts476]

During 19 century there were no rule preventing a worker to get rich. Wages went down so much it was impossible...
The funny thing is that in many point in england where there where no slave working work condition looks comparable in human pain that coton field of usa.
That is what a nice capitalist system provided with very cheap goods ( from slavery) manage to do.

As I said, capitalism is best under a moral society where people are inspired to be ethical.  It has, and it is falling apart in absence of morality.  It succeeded when it adhered to a moral code.  Forced charity, or socialism, is not charity and it ends up not being humane in the end.  It ends up being brute force.

Capitalism has nothing to do with moral.
If moral prevent to multiply 2 into 4, moral will change. This is pure logic, money has already proven to alter poeple's mind.
19 century was religious and "moral", yet it create work condition that would not have been accepted before.
Law might help.
Do you think law regulating working hours, creating safe working environment, giving holidays, preventing child labour ... are good laws?
How do you call the movement that produce those  kind of laws?


I agree with you about the distinction of republic and democracy. which is important and not mentioned a lot. Democracy is a popular word i guess.

Now what about a "pure" democracy where the constitution guarantee equal treatment of people? Would that suits you?
Also how do you know it is one of the worst form of government? There is really no such example in history ...
On the other hand, with all those nice example of history you cited, you must know that our nice democratic republic also produce its lot of dictator.

From you statements one can deduce then that logic has nothing to do with morality, which is to say that ones morality need not be logically consistent. If morality is not logically consistent, then it is not morality, it is aesthetics, and has nothing to say on the solution to any problem.

[braum]

have the rich setup a free bitcoin system on a incentive based on homeless to gain points going back to the working force.

And only recieve a total of their bitcoins once they stay at the job for more then 4 months.

[username18333]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

[gts476]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

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[username18333]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

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Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

[gts476]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

Cricket-bat kangaroo swimming pool laptop cheesecake map phone. Ebola zeppelin yeti with a chocolate topping.

Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

So under capitalism, poorer economic actors aspire to withhold value from one another? Such as the value of their labour? So if the poor withhold the value of their labour then they seek to be unemployed?

Ok. Then if your statment is true then under free market capitalism unemployment will rise, which it doesn't, so the statment can't be true.

[username18333]

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

Cricket-bat kangaroo swimming pool laptop cheesecake map phone. Ebola zeppelin yeti with a chocolate topping.

Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

So under capitalism, poorer economic actors aspire to withhold value from one another? Such as the value of their labour? So if the poor withhold the value of their labour then they seek to be unemployed?

Ok. Then if your statment is true then under free market capitalism unemployment will rise, which it doesn't, so the statment can't be true.

"Poor" seek value, within those frames of econom', so as to maintain it for themselves and withhold it from others (indeed, as those so skillfuly "wealthy").

[loulis]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

[manselr]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

[giantdragon]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

[loulis]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

[boumalo]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

[loulis]

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

Im not talking about the political part of communism but the economic part. The economics were perfect.

[abrahamlitcoin]

The solution to poverty is simplicity.  Not capitalism or socialism.

[loulis]

The solution to poverty is the comeback of communism.

[ARadzi]

Capitalism and socialism has its own good and bad side. Either way, only government can help to alleviate poverty.

[loulis]

Im nostalgic those good old days that we sent the dirty capitalists in Siberia for "vacations".

[AdamSmith]

Capitalism and socialism has its own good and bad side. Either way, only government can help to alleviate poverty.

Government interference will only magnify the problems. Look at Africa.