USA is getting adversely affected by Immigrants

[theonewhowaskazu]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

[Chef Ramsay]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

True and unfortunately for nearly this entire round of immigration, it's mostly people that will go on welfare and all the other services. It used to be that the man of the household would pack a bag and some money to go to another country and bust his ass working so he could afford to bring his family over some years down the line. For the most part, it is no longer the case plus this bending over backwards giving all the freebies when normal Americans are hurting and paying these bills is downright out of hand.

[arbitrage001]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

True and unfortunately for nearly this entire round of immigration, it's mostly people that will go on welfare and all the other services. It used to be that the man of the household would pack a bag and some money to go to another country and bust his ass working so he could afford to bring his family over some years down the line. For the most part, it is no longer the case plus this bending over backwards giving all the freebies when normal Americans are hurting and paying these bills is downright out of hand.

The entire IT sector spring up to support and manage the welfare state. So, anyone working in the IT sector isn't really adding any value also using the definition here.

[theonewhowaskazu]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

True and unfortunately for nearly this entire round of immigration, it's mostly people that will go on welfare and all the other services. It used to be that the man of the household would pack a bag and some money to go to another country and bust his ass working so he could afford to bring his family over some years down the line. For the most part, it is no longer the case plus this bending over backwards giving all the freebies when normal Americans are hurting and paying these bills is downright out of hand.

The entire IT sector spring up to support and manage the welfare state. So, anyone working in the IT sector isn't really adding any value also using the definition here.

What the heck? You think there wouldn't be any need for IT if the government didn't give out hand outs?

[arbitrage001]

What the heck? You think there wouldn't be any need for IT if the government didn't give out hand outs?

There is a need of IT. Just not as extravagant as we have today with so many idle mind using search engine, online movie/song service, social networking site and chat application.

[theonewhowaskazu]

What the heck? You think there wouldn't be any need for IT if the government didn't give out hand outs?

There is a need of IT. Just not as extravagant as we have today with so many idle mind using search engine, online movie/song service, social networking site and chat application.

What

The IT sector would be around no matter what, lol. (1) There's no correlation between idle time and IT services as companies need IT services even more than "idle minds." (2) There's no correlation between government handouts and "idle minds" (unless you count bureaucrats as "idle minds") because inflation. All the services you listed would be popular with or without wellfare that's silly. If anything gets hurt by loss of welfare, then its stuff like cigarettes.

[Chef Ramsay]

Amnesty forces may finally have gone too far

It’s probably not true that a frog will allow itself to be boiled alive if only the heat is raised slowly enough, but it’s an irresistible image nonetheless.

However, the anti-borders forces — on the left and the right — have counted on such passivity among the public to incrementally erode the American people’s ability to decide who gets to move here from abroad. They have devised endless opportunities to appeal deportation decisions, prevented the implementation of needed control measures, pushed relentlessly to pierce numerical caps, and created strong incentives against government functionaries saying “no” to those who want to come. The motto over the doorway of the immigration office might as well be “It ain’t over til the alien wins.”

President Obama has turned up the heat over the past five years. Using “prosecutorial discretion” as a pretext, he has exempted the vast majority of illegal aliens from the consequences of their actions. He has formally amnestied — without legislative authorization — more than a half-million illegal immigrants who claim to have come here before age 16. He is signaling that sometime this year he will unilaterally, and illegally, amnesty half or more of the roughly 12 million illegal aliens now living in the United States.

More...http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/17/krikorian-hitting-the-boiling-point-over-the-borde/
Why isn't Obama sending Illegals to states where there's vulnerable dems up for reelection?

[Chef Ramsay]

Local Official: Feds Drop 'Unknown Number' of Illegal Kids in VA County (oustide DC) Without Warning

Prince William County, Virginia has become well-known in recent years for its tough stance on illegal immigration.  So you can imagine how upset some local lawmakers were when they learned that the federal government had contracted to house illegal alien children in their county without informing any county officials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSKjE9tkrB8

MRCTV spoke to Prince William County Supervisor, Corey Stewart  about the situation that was thrust upon his county by the Obama Administration.  We then attended a council meeting where outraged citizens spoke out against the move and had some harsh words for both the council members and the federal government.

More...http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/local-official-feds-drop-unknown-number-illegal-kids-va-county-without-warning

[Chef Ramsay]

Ron Paul Exposes Ill Effects of Illegal Immigrants on Hospitals

Former U.S. representative, three-time presidential candidate, and physician Ron Paul has spoken out publicly about the catastrophic impact the deluge of unaccompanied children illegally entering our country has had on our nation’s hospitals.

“Our hospitals have already been under siege by immigrants,” Paul said on July 2 on Newsmax TV’s The Steve Malzberg Show.

Many of the unaccompanied children being housed in federal facilities have been diagnosed with various communicable diseases, and some are sent to local hospitals for treatment. This naturally would cause hospitals near the facilities to become overwhelmed.

“And with these thousands, tens of thousands, who knows how many [children] ... you’re going to see some very serious health problems.... We’ve already overburdened many hospitals, Paul said to Malzberg during the interview.

“In the 19th century, when we had a massive influx of immigrants, we were still cautious about diseases.... Today, under these conditions, it just is essentially impossible to do this,” Paul added, referring to the massive, uncontrolled flow of illegal immigrants crossing our borders.

When 19th century immigrants entering our county legally were processed at Ellis Island and other immigration stations, doctors briefly examined them for signs of illness. About 20 percent were singled out for further medical examination and about one percent were sent back to their countries of origin. After 1924, immigrants had to receive a visa from a U.S. consular office abroad before being allowed to travel to the United States. A medical exam was a prerequisite for receiving a visa, and about five percent of those examined were refused visas.

Zack Taylor, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, spoke with Breitbart on June 10 about the Border Patrol’s Rio Grand facility, where many unaccompanied children are being housed, and said: “Apparently, a significant amount of communicable disease is suspected by custodial and agent personnel.”

Border Patrol agent and Rio Grande Valley Union representative Chris Cabrera told ABC 15 News in Arizona in a June 6 interview: “We are sending people everywhere [from the McAllen, Texas, facility]. The average person doesn't know what's going on down here.”

However, attempts by the media to find out more about the health risks in the housing facilities have been unsuccessful. ABC 15 reported: “DHS has denied all requests for interviews with doctors and medical staff treating sick immigrants. The agency has also turned down our request for a tour.”

Read the rest...http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/18635-ron-paul-exposes-ill-effects-of-illegal-immigrants-on-hospitals

[Chef Ramsay]

TX Overwhelmed by 911 calls from Lost Migrants

Migrant crisis expands north from border, into arid Texas wilderness
Daniel Zamarripa loaded his police dog into the back of his patrol car and set out to track his quarry — immigrants circumventing the local Border Patrol checkpoint.

Zamarripa, 27, is one of 15 reserve deputies brought in to assist the Brooks County Sheriff's Office, whose four deputies have lately found themselves overwhelmed by 911 calls from migrants stranded on the vast ranches that stretch from here to the horizon in all directions.

Then there are the bodies of migrants who didn't make it to retrieve and identify: 42 so far this year.

Most attention to the crisis on the Southwest border has focused in recent weeks on the Rio Grande Valley, where many of the 57,000 unaccompanied children and a large number of families have crossed from Mexico since October, twice last year's total. Many surrender to immigration agents willingly at the Rio Grande, aware that they will be allowed to stay pending immigration court hearings.

Lots more and some pics...http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-immigration-brooks-county-20140720-story.html#page=1

[Wilikon]

Border Security Interview: Border Agents More Afraid Of Government Than Illegal Criminals

http://youtu.be/ZnkSXosZhic

[Wilikon]

HHS Has Released 30,340 Unaccompanied Illegal Minors Across US This Year


ALABAMA 407
ALASKA 5
ARIZONA 186
ARKANSAS 166
CALIFORNIA 3,150
COLORADO 221
CONNECTICUT 325
DELAWARE 117
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 187
FLORIDA 3,181
GEORGIA 1,154
HAWAII 8
IDAHO 8
ILLINOIS 305
INDIANA 245
IOWA 122
KANSAS 179
KENTUCKY 237
LOUISIANA 1,071
MAINE 8
MARYLAND 2,205
MASSACHUSETTS 773
MICHIGAN 92
MINNESOTA 173
MISSISSIPPI 179
MISSOURI 121
MONTANA 1
NEBRASKA 192
NEVADA 122
NEW HAMPSHIRE 13
NEW JERSEY 1,504
NEW MEXICO 18
NEW YORK 3,347
NORTH CAROLINA 1,191
NORTH DAKOTA 4
OHIO 360
OKLAHOMA 212
OREGON 50
PENNSYLVANIA 386
RHODE ISLAND 119
SOUTH CAROLINA 350
SOUTH DAKOTA 21
TENNESSEE 760
TEXAS 4,280
UTAH 67
VERMONT 3
VIRGIN ISLANDS 4
VIRGINIA 2,234
WASHINGTON 211
WEST VIRGINIA 10
WISCONSIN 50
WYOMING 6

TOTAL 30,340

http://usofarn.com/hhs-has-released-30340-unaccompanied-minors-to-sponsors-across-the-country-in-first-6-months-of-this-year/

[redHeadBlunder]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

True and unfortunately for nearly this entire round of immigration, it's mostly people that will go on welfare and all the other services. It used to be that the man of the household would pack a bag and some money to go to another country and bust his ass working so he could afford to bring his family over some years down the line. For the most part, it is no longer the case plus this bending over backwards giving all the freebies when normal Americans are hurting and paying these bills is downright out of hand.

Immigrants also tend to have higher crime rates. They also tend to work under the table, increasing their ability to collect welfare and still work, and the money they do earn gets sent home, overseas, while the money they "earn" from welfare gets spend on necessities in the US.

[tooil]

In a theoretical 100% free market Immigrants should add value.

However we're not in anything close to a 100% free market. In any situation in which people are getting out from the government more than they're putting in, then clearly immigrants remove value. Which, by definition is true, because the government is borrowing money. However, its especially true for those illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.

Even in an "almost free market", and if all immigrants paid taxes, a percentage-based tax rate with government aid provided to the poor would mean that poor immigrants would detract, not add, value.

True and unfortunately for nearly this entire round of immigration, it's mostly people that will go on welfare and all the other services. It used to be that the man of the household would pack a bag and some money to go to another country and bust his ass working so he could afford to bring his family over some years down the line. For the most part, it is no longer the case plus this bending over backwards giving all the freebies when normal Americans are hurting and paying these bills is downright out of hand.

Immigrants also tend to have higher crime rates. They also tend to work under the table, increasing their ability to collect welfare and still work, and the money they do earn gets sent home, overseas, while the money they "earn" from welfare gets spend on necessities in the US.

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

[Wilikon]

DOJ: REGIONS NEAR MEXICO BORDER MOST CRIME RIDDEN IN US



HOUSTON, Texas -- About half of the nation's federal criminal cases last year were filed in regions near the U.S.-Mexico border, according to an alarming annual report from the Obama Administration's Department of Justice (DOJ).
During FY 2013, U.S. Attorney's offices filed a total of 61,529 criminal cases against defendants, according to the DOJ. Regions along the border each had more convictions than in any other district. 6,341 cases were filed in Western Texas, suggesting it is home to the country's most severe crime patterns. 6,130 cases were filed in Southern Texas; 4,848 were filed in Southern California; 3,889 were filed in New Mexico; and 3,538 were filed in Arizona.
Judicial Watch pointed out that out of the 94 U.S. federal court districts, the five near the Mexico border "see a large portion of criminal cases. ... [and] also have the biggest number of defendants actually convicted of federal crimes."
The most common crimes committed over the year were immigration related, with 23,744 such cases having been filed by the feds. Judicial Watch pointed out that immigration crimes accounted for 38.6 percent of all federal cases.
Drug-related crimes were also common, with 13,383 such cases having been filed in FY 2013.
Breitbart Texas Contributing Editor and border security expert Sylvia Longmire said, "Former Department of Homeland Secretary (DHS) Janet Napolitano often said in 2013 that overall crime along the southwest border has decreased 30 percent in the last 20 years. This is accurate enough, but only when you look at certain crime statistics that are pulled from the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, or UCR, database in a certain way that can make statistics sound favorable. When citing these UCR statistics, former Secretary Napolitano never indicated how overall border crime rates compared to the rest of the country, although crime rates in certain border cities are among the lowest in the country."
Longmire continued, "The reason why is that those violent crime rates only marginally correlate to this DOJ report, which includes prosecutorial initiation for all crimes, not just the ones DHS likes to use. The UCR doesn't include crime statistics for drug trafficking, or trespassing, or kidnapping--some of the most common crimes occurring in border areas, and especially rural ones."
The Obama Administration has been tight-lipped about the rampant crime in border towns.
Some of the president's critics have accused him of helping fuel criminal activity along the border. In May, President Obama used unilateral authority to create a vast wilderness area in New Mexico along the Mexico border. The monument came under harsh criticism for being a "drug corridor for violent criminals and drug cartels." Border Patrol and other law enforcement will have restricted access to the land.
"While violent crime rates should be most concerning for border residents--and fortunately those do seem to have dropped--it's also a significant concern that other criminal activity is more prevalent near the border," Longmire concluded. "That has an impact on property values, tourism, commerce, and the overall sense of security in border communities."


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/06/DOJ-Regions-Near-Mexico-Border-Most-Crime-Ridden-in-US

[bryant.coleman]

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

In the short-term that might prove to be profitable. But in the long term, it is going to adversely affect the business, if the highly skilled workforce is replaced with the illegal semi-skilled ones.

[boraf]

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

In the short-term that might prove to be profitable. But in the long term, it is going to adversely affect the business, if the highly skilled workforce is replaced with the illegal semi-skilled ones.

The illegal works on the non-skill sector of the labor market. Jobs that even the unemployed won't take.

[pungopete468]

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

In the short-term that might prove to be profitable. But in the long term, it is going to adversely affect the business, if the highly skilled workforce is replaced with the illegal semi-skilled ones.

The illegal works on the non-skill sector of the labor market. Jobs that even the unemployed won't take.

I don't buy that argument...

Even the nastiest jobs offered (legally) aren't nearly as bad as some would make them out to be. There are standards of labor that must be met, safety standards, etc...

That may have been the case in the past, but I think we've moved beyond that level of privilege...

[Full Spectrum]

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

In the short-term that might prove to be profitable. But in the long term, it is going to adversely affect the business, if the highly skilled workforce is replaced with the illegal semi-skilled ones.

The illegal works on the non-skill sector of the labor market. Jobs that even the unemployed won't take.

I don't buy that argument...

Even the nastiest jobs offered (legally) aren't nearly as bad as some would make them out to be. There are standards of labor that must be met, safety standards, etc...

That may have been the case in the past, but I think we've moved beyond that level of privilege...

Oh really?
http://business.time.com/2012/09/21/bitter-harvest-u-s-farmers-blame-billion-dollar-losses-on-immigration-laws/
Poor people in the US should really check their privilege...

[Mobius]

Working under the table is good for business as the owners don't generally need to pay extra tax and at the same time under paid the workers.

In the short-term that might prove to be profitable. But in the long term, it is going to adversely affect the business, if the highly skilled workforce is replaced with the illegal semi-skilled ones.

The illegal works on the non-skill sector of the labor market. Jobs that even the unemployed won't take.

I don't buy that argument...

Even the nastiest jobs offered (legally) aren't nearly as bad as some would make them out to be. There are standards of labor that must be met, safety standards, etc...

That may have been the case in the past, but I think we've moved beyond that level of privilege...

I agree with this. I have dealt with a lot of people who have hit hard times over the past couple of years and have spoken to a lot of people who have taken jobs they would not imagine having to take only a few short years ago. I think after people who have been out of work long enough who truly want to find work will lower their standards of what they are willing to accept for work.