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March 03, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
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The more the merrier.

For me bitcoin doesn't have to succeed, it already did. The people made bitcoin and the banks got scared big time.

Now it is for them introducing a new scheme Wink

I do not think banks should be scared of bitcoin. This is new business opportunity for them. They can continue banking with bitccoin besides fiat.
nah quite agree,as far as i know bitcoiners need bank account when they'd exchanging their bitcoin to dollars and saving it in their bank account so there's no way bitcoin could make bank scared

This is not the case if you make money and get paid directly in Bitcoin. You can get a business started and accept Bitcoin directly, accept the Bitcoin in your address and not through a layer like Bitpay.. this way no bank will ever know you are working and making money in Bitcoin form. If everyone did this there would be no banks anymore.

In our country, you need banks and other financial institutions to be the gateway in every btc->local currency and vice versa so the banks earn as well.

I think that Even if Bitcoin goes Mainstream Bank will exist because they will also start to accept Bitcoin Technology and they will start their work with Bitcoin in all section just like what they were doing with fiat currency. But for that first the whole world should accept the Bitcoin.

banks are not going to be easy to get rid of. they are a part of everybody's financial life and besides they are not without benefits. like all the profit they give on our deposits, the loans,... and in the future i don't see this change.

yes, banks will never disappear as they holds the support from the people and people have more faith in banks, So I think even if bitcoin gets on mainstream, banks will also show their presence.

Bank don't hold support banks have a monopoly that's why they are in control. Ask any stranger out there for an alternative they will tell you the truth.
When BTC is mainstream you will see people will leave banks.
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March 03, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
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if bitcoin become something common, I think the price will also decrease, because if bitcoin already in the know the people, it will spread very much bitcoin and very easy to get so the price will come in lower  Sad
Lol read this man
big demand = price increase
so if a lot of people who use bitcoin, certainly demand of bitcoin. of the market will increase. so automatically bitcoin prices will rise.

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March 03, 2016, 12:27:35 PM
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if bitcoin become something common, I think the price will also decrease, because if bitcoin already in the know the people, it will spread very much bitcoin and very easy to get so the price will come in lower  Sad
Lol read this man
big demand = price increase
so if a lot of people who use bitcoin, certainly demand of bitcoin. of the market will increase. so automatically bitcoin prices will rise.


That is your speculation, not a fact. Just because you think something is obvious, it doesn't mean everyone has to agree
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March 03, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
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The more the merrier.

For me bitcoin doesn't have to succeed, it already did. The people made bitcoin and the banks got scared big time.

Now it is for them introducing a new scheme Wink

I do not think banks should be scared of bitcoin. This is new business opportunity for them. They can continue banking with bitccoin besides fiat.
nah quite agree,as far as i know bitcoiners need bank account when they'd exchanging their bitcoin to dollars and saving it in their bank account so there's no way bitcoin could make bank scared

This is not the case if you make money and get paid directly in Bitcoin. You can get a business started and accept Bitcoin directly, accept the Bitcoin in your address and not through a layer like Bitpay.. this way no bank will ever know you are working and making money in Bitcoin form. If everyone did this there would be no banks anymore.

In our country, you need banks and other financial institutions to be the gateway in every btc->local currency and vice versa so the banks earn as well.

I think that Even if Bitcoin goes Mainstream Bank will exist because they will also start to accept Bitcoin Technology and they will start their work with Bitcoin in all section just like what they were doing with fiat currency. But for that first the whole world should accept the Bitcoin.

banks are not going to be easy to get rid of. they are a part of everybody's financial life and besides they are not without benefits. like all the profit they give on our deposits, the loans,... and in the future i don't see this change.

yes, banks will never disappear as they holds the support from the people and people have more faith in banks, So I think even if bitcoin gets on mainstream, banks will also show their presence.

Bank don't hold support banks have a monopoly that's why they are in control. Ask any stranger out there for an alternative they will tell you the truth.
When BTC is mainstream you will see people will leave banks.

That day will never come when people will leave banks and depend only on bitcoins, even if bitcoin gets on mainstream there would be many people who continue to use banks.
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March 03, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
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The more the merrier.

For me bitcoin doesn't have to succeed, it already did. The people made bitcoin and the banks got scared big time.

Now it is for them introducing a new scheme Wink

I do not think banks should be scared of bitcoin. This is new business opportunity for them. They can continue banking with bitccoin besides fiat.
nah quite agree,as far as i know bitcoiners need bank account when they'd exchanging their bitcoin to dollars and saving it in their bank account so there's no way bitcoin could make bank scared

This is not the case if you make money and get paid directly in Bitcoin. You can get a business started and accept Bitcoin directly, accept the Bitcoin in your address and not through a layer like Bitpay.. this way no bank will ever know you are working and making money in Bitcoin form. If everyone did this there would be no banks anymore.

In our country, you need banks and other financial institutions to be the gateway in every btc->local currency and vice versa so the banks earn as well.

I think that Even if Bitcoin goes Mainstream Bank will exist because they will also start to accept Bitcoin Technology and they will start their work with Bitcoin in all section just like what they were doing with fiat currency. But for that first the whole world should accept the Bitcoin.

banks are not going to be easy to get rid of. they are a part of everybody's financial life and besides they are not without benefits. like all the profit they give on our deposits, the loans,... and in the future i don't see this change.

True Banks are definitely not easy to get rid of, especially because we live on a debt based system.
The central bank has control over the country and loan money to the government.

But the they are very clever, I think if everyone knew how the financial system really works the people would riot/revolution.
That's why Bitcoin is a good step in the right direction.
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March 03, 2016, 02:06:46 PM
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True Banks are definitely not easy to get rid of, especially because we live on a debt based system.
The central bank has control over the country and loan money to the government.

But the they are very clever, I think if everyone knew how the financial system really works the people would riot/revolution.
That's why Bitcoin is a good step in the right direction.

lets not forget that the government is never going to give up their control over money.
they are currently in control of paper money from printing it to monitoring all the transactions and taking taxes, so they don't want to give up this position of theirs.

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March 04, 2016, 08:59:14 AM
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I think it would be more reasonable to say it would be a gradual process if bitcoin goes mainstream and it won't ruin people opportunity to get in bitcoin since there would be time to use it, I doubt bitcoin will go that much mainstream for the current time.
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March 06, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
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I think it would be more reasonable to say it would be a gradual process if bitcoin goes mainstream and it won't ruin people opportunity to get in bitcoin since there would be time to use it, I doubt bitcoin will go that much mainstream for the current time.

That will be a very slow process. I first heard about bitcoin in 2013. It was not main stream. it is not main stream yet. We have to do a lot of work.

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March 06, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
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I think it would be more reasonable to say it would be a gradual process if bitcoin goes mainstream and it won't ruin people opportunity to get in bitcoin since there would be time to use it, I doubt bitcoin will go that much mainstream for the current time.

That will be a very slow process. I first heard about bitcoin in 2013. It was not main stream. it is not main stream yet. We have to do a lot of work.

Yeah a lot of work. I honestly feel some kind of marketing team should set up to spread the world.
Right now it's just hoping that consumers and merchants will accept bitcoin.

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March 06, 2016, 03:44:20 PM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley

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March 09, 2016, 03:55:53 PM
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Bitcoin is perhaps still like a little child that learns and adapts to the world around them.If you look in this point of view It will take a considerable time to grow up and become a serious player.On the way there are many obstacles and traps, so it is difficult to predict whether BTC ever go to mainstraem.Like most people here I hope BTC going to succeed Smiley
But this can happen almost over night like Bitcoin already succeeded to become very popular investment for many people. I expect many astonishing news and adoptions, but this will bring and regulations and more control.
But after all this is great ride already!
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March 09, 2016, 05:48:01 PM
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If bitcoin ever goes mainstream it will surely ruin the lifes of all the ones invested in fiat (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180798.0). Gresham's Law will destroy their fiat savings, since everyone will want the stronger bitcoin and will dump fiat, devaluating it. We'll see it happen first in the troubled economies, with high inflation and generalized suspicion on governmental money because of past problems.

And I have little doubt that bitcoin won't bring any equality, on the contrary. It will make us bitcoiners rich, but it will be at the expenses of fiat holders.

Because I doubt bitcoin will bring much prosperity, since it will establish a deflationary monetary system. But maybe it will be possible to minimize those deflationary effects:

a) Commercial banks will adopt a bitcoin fractional reserve system, lending bitcoins with only partial support on their holdings. That will allow an artificial (banking) expansion of the amount of bitcoins, thanks to the so-called banking money multiplier.
But since it will be hard to keep a trustworthy insurance of deposits (the government won't have enough bitcoins for that and can't create them), the system will be much more susceptible to runs.
And the interest will have to be high, because most people will prefer to have the bitcoins in their own wallets. So, forget about low interest rates. Well, high real interest rates (aggravated by potential deflation) can ruin any economy, since they thwart many productive investment based on credit.

b) It also might be created a bitcoin pattern, with governments printing money freely convertible in bitcoins. But I can see already the runs on the government on times of crises.

How will the central bank in depressions stimulate the economy?
It won't be possible to do any quantitative easing. Borrowing bitcoins to lend them at cheaper interest rates to the commercial banks won't be cheap.

How will the Government control massive tax evasion, especially if the anonymity of bitcoin improves?  
They will find a way, nothing has destroyed the State in more than 13 thousand years of hierarchical societies. Bitcoin won't be able to do it. It seems we will be subject to intense control of our use of the Internet in order to track our earnings and spending of bitcoins. Some we'll be able to evade it. But the majority won't.

Will the volatility of bitcoin ever end?
The increase of its users will keep bitcoin's price going up. However, because supply and demand is controlled by human perceptions and emotions, after a huge boom in price it will always come a bust. Every overshooting of the price will be followed by a general perception that the price increased too fast and, consequently, by a drop.
For volatility to end, it would be necessary a general adoption of bitcoin that would limit in percentual terms further increases of new users taking in account the already large numbers of users. Currently, since the number of users is relatively low, it's easy to see its numbers increase for more than 30% in a short period. But since the numbers of bitcoin are limited (and the current rate of increase is relatively small and it will be again limited in 2016), the ending of volatility would also require or a stagnant GDP or a fractional reserve system based on bitcoin that would allow its banking numbers to artificially increase side by side with GDP. That won't happen for years. Volatility is here to stay for long.

Will this scenario be the future?
It's impossible to say. But bitcoin seems to have already a too strong standing to fade away on it own.
Another better alt coin might be a stronger obstacle than fiat. But bitcoin can always adopt any improvements.

Can governments still destroy it?
An international coordinated effort against the main exchanges and sites could indeed hurt heavily bitcoin. Even our own wallets are susceptible to attacks by virus/worms (remember Stuxnet?) and the network can also be affected. Access to it can be blocked by ISPs at governmental command. Many could evade these blocks, but the major part of the bitcoiners would give up, taking in account also the risk of sanctions. That indeed would spook major investors.
This can still happen and it will happen on troubled economies. The outcome is anyone's guess, it would depend on governmental coordination and level of effort. Governments lost similar wars (drugs, alcohol, prostitution), but bitcoin is an easier target than these activities. It's not a surprise that, besides scams, governmental repression has been the main negative driver of price.

What would be the consequences of this massive adoption over the price?
I can't even imagine what would be the price of bitcoin. Forget about all the low previsions you read before.


But the genie is out of the bottle. There is nothing we can do, except tell about it.


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What is bitcoin going mainstream?

One can use different criteria.

1) A percentage of the amount of the total expenses on one year. But even 1% would be huge and would imply a very high price for bitcoin. However, according to the mentioned Gresham's Law, bitcoin will be hoarded and only rarely spent. It's like gold. Gold is part of mainstream, but people don't exchange it much, they prefer to keep it. On the main functions of money, mean of exchange, unit of account and reserve of value, I think the last will be bitcoin's main function. It won't be used much as unite of value, because of its volatility (many places that accept bitcoin prefer to announce the prices in USDs). It won't be used a lot as mean of payment, because people will mostly hoard it.

2) Accessibility: the fact that anyone can easily buy, sell and pay with bitcoin. Clearly, this is decisive. If we could exchange and spend bitcoins on the majority of banks' ATMs and retailers, we could say bitcoin is mainstream. But imagine that even in these conditions bitcoin kept being scarcely used, with small demand.  It wouldn't be mainstream. Many physical businesses complain they never had customers paying with bitcoin. So, this is a necessary condition, but it isn't enough.

3) A percentage of people owning it. This seems to be a good criterion. But it isn't easy to establish a number: 10% seems enough, but not 1% or even 5%. 70 or even 350 million users on the all world would be great, but not enough for talking about mainstream. I guess only at 10% we would start to see unfold the problems above mentioned. But this kind of projections is hard to make.

Think about Paypal (I hate it, but let's use it as example). Is Paypal mainstream? I don't think so. It had a volume of transactions of only 180 billion on 2013, about 150 million active registered accounts and in many countries you can use it as mean of payment only on a few places. So, it reached about 2% of world population.

Bitcoin had about 23 billion USDs in trade volume alone during the last 12 months (see http://www.bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=6m, at current price) and maybe 1 or 2 million active users. It still has a long way to go.

i'm not sure bitcoin wll get some good achievment this year,bitcoin goes mainstream several years ago,and more popular until this year,even bitcoin price still unpredict and really fluctuate,but bitcoin not lost it hollder and adopter,bitcoin still have so many "fans" .
lets hope on future bitcoin will compete paypal more and more,and take over 2% population who hold by paypal.
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March 10, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
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i'm not sure bitcoin wll get some good achievment this year,bitcoin goes mainstream several years ago,and more popular until this year,even bitcoin price still unpredict and really fluctuate,but bitcoin not lost it hollder and adopter,bitcoin still have so many "fans" .
lets hope on future bitcoin will compete paypal more and more,and take over 2% population who hold by paypal.
But all this don't mean that price must rise astronomically. If Bitcoin succeed to takeover Paypal business ,which i can imagine is possible, it still can fall to 100$ or less because it is value not service, and can be manipulated.
Someone will say this is death or end but, no this is free trade. Everything is possible.
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March 10, 2016, 05:24:13 PM
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Is mainstream make bitcoin more better or not ? I mean it's like many people using bitcoin like a normal money. is it called mainstream too ? And i think if bitcoin become mainstream, it will affect the price itself.
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March 10, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
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If bitcoin goes mainstream, it would be in our best interest to have accumulated some beforehand.  That's obvious, but the point is that it's too late to make big gains after it's mainstream.
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March 11, 2016, 12:20:29 AM
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Just let bitcoin hit once again the 800 dollars and reach the 1000-1200 dollars and being stable ,on that time you will be able to see how many people will wanna to be out of bitcoin world.
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March 11, 2016, 07:56:07 AM
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Fiat is so inflated anyway and once more and more TRUST in Bitcoin and lose TRUST in fiat, then yes, inevitably fiat will be looking quite trashy and cheap then in the eyes of many. I think though that there should and will be a transition before Bitcoin can go completely mainstream to allow for the Masses to start accumulating Bitcoin and growing their hoards. I believe this must happen first before general adoption comes to play.


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March 11, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
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I don't think it will be like that, I think there would time for people to even change from fiat to bitcoin, I don't think the change will happen overnight or anything like that but would be a gradual process.
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I don't think it will be like that, I think there would time for people to even change from fiat to bitcoin, I don't think the change will happen overnight or anything like that but would be a gradual process.

Offcourse that time wil come.
It's just waiting for that moment and remember if bitcoin is mainstream and you can use it everywhere, then it will be very easy to use and spend you coins.
Same as credticard etc.
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March 11, 2016, 11:14:06 AM
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I think that a lot of people here only want Bitcoin to become mainstream so that their investment will increase in price, not because Bitcoin is innovative and cool.
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as currency, bitcoin is collected to fulfill daily necessity or another will. if it becomes mainstream, those people will be happy because of the high price and can use it like fiat money.

in the other side, if everyone know the system, they probably will love it more than fiat

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