[ANN] Beyond Bitcoin Show Community Dev Hangout

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Expanding public consciousness of decentralized services Beyond Bitcoin

Beyond Bitcoin is an effort to provide insights to the most innovative technologies and projects in the crypto space. We want to lower the barriers to entry by providing insights to the latest developments for a wider audience and help communities exchange perspectives. Beyond Bitcoin has two parts to it.

The first show is more of an informal meetup we call Beyond Bitcoin Dev Hangout. Usually we get an update from Daniel Larimer of Bitshares but then it is followed up by anyone who has a project in the space. This is where we need you guys. This is a call for any devs who are interested in talking about their project. This show is hosted on a Mumble server at 10am Central Standard Time every Saturday. We also invite anyone who wants to ask questions or participate in the hangout. Questions can be typed. At the end of the session, we clean it up, and publish it in the Public Domain for anyone else who might wish to use the material to build upon. If you would like to be interviewed, send us a message here on bitcointalk or find our subforum on bitsharestalk.org.  You can always just show up!

The second show is run by a real professional and is on the LTB network.  The "Beyond Bitcoin Show on the LTB Network" is hosted by Arthur F. Falls and can usually be scheduled more around the developer's time requirements. It is a more traditional one-on-one interview usually held on Skype.  Arthur's email is beyondbitcoinshow@gmail.com.  Arthur is a huge fan of crypto-technology and is a great interviewer.

Both shows can always be heard at beyondbitcoinshow.com

Outside of the 2 shows we would like to invite ANYONE who is interested in talking about this technology to the Beyond Bitcoin Mumble Server. This is the same server where the Dev Hangout is hosted. Currently we are trying to find the best time to schedule more informal hangouts to maximize participation.  The server can be used for community hangouts or "digital panels" where everyone can attend and one or more guests are being interviewed by the community. Contact fuznuts on bitsharestalk.org if you have any questions regarding the mumble server.  

The Mumble Server's connection info is

vx31.commandchannel.com   Port 2077 Password: “w0rldCh@NG3rsUN!t3”

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[CLains]

Loved the Sunny King interview and the NXT discussion about asset exchange, and of course Dan Larimer is always on point and interesting.

[lzr1900]

+5% 

[xeroc]

I really like that mumble hangouts .. I need to realy participate in the next few months .. talking to fuznuts was fun and interesting! Thx

+5%

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Yep we're looking for someone to interview this week.

You should join us Xeroc. 

I think I'll have to start sending out private messages on here inviting people.

We can also hold interviews at different times or possibly different venues.

[dwma]

Have you guys ever decided on a certain time that isn't on Saturday morning to have the informal meetups between devs ?  I wouldn't mind showing up but not sure if there was ever an informal time organized ?

[fuznutts]

Have you guys ever decided on a certain time that isn't on Saturday morning to have the informal meetups between devs ?  I wouldn't mind showing up but not sure if there was ever an informal time organized ?

It is not organized atm, but we are not trying to necessarily "organize" anything.  To tell you the truth, the way it is intended to be done is that the Mumble Server is Open and Completely free for anyone from any community to do something similar to what Dan and the Bitshares community does on a weekly basis.  It is for Dev Hangouts, virtual Meetups and Conferences...and anyone in the server can record at any time, so it is a content engine essentially...so long as different communities get representatives who want to use it. 

Our hope is to eventually have multiple communities who use the service to create low-barrier to entry meetups that can then be used to create raw, unedited content, which can then be posted for anyone to edit.  These edited pieces of content can then be mixed and matched to create a podcast by anyone interested in doing so. 

If you are interested in coming on to chat, please let me know and I'll help you figure out the details. 

[beyondbitcoinshow]

The shows are being held regularly at 10am central time.  Here is the one from the previous week.  The latest BBS will be posted shortly. We're still looking for other guests for anyone in the crypto-2.0 world. If you would just like to participate then come join the Mumble server.

http://www.beyondbitcoinshow.com/

Dev Hangout 6-14-2014 with Dan Larimer


Show notes -

2:30 Notification feature between delegates.
5:17 Delegate requirements and experiences.
10:30 Dan's plan regarding partnering nerds with marketers.
22:00 Talk about the partnership with Virginia Tech and reinventing voting. Zerocoin technology and a voting DAC.
28:50 Future funding and how it ties back into the delegate plans.
33:50 Dan starts taking Reddit questions. Ghash.io 51% issue. Dan talks of his progression from the mining camp and how one might use an approach similar to Ghash's to take over the Bitcoin network.
47:00 Difference between Ripple and DPOS and talking of the DPOS trust/voting system.
53:40 Discussion of alternative network architectures and transports outside of the internet.

[jackedwhite]

I had listened to a previous show and this one was much better. Production quality was lacking to say the least, but the content was top-notch. Far different from the typical interview show. The Bitshares lead dev guy was quite interesting,  but a similar interview style directed at others would help your show grow.

[xeroc]

I had listened to a previous show and this one was much better. Production quality was lacking to say the least, but the content was top-notch. Far different from the typical interview show. The Bitshares lead dev guy was quite interesting,  but a similar interview style directed at others would help your show grow.

I used to join using android while at work and mostly listen

The visions the devs have are awesome!

[delulo]

I had listened to a previous show and this one was much better. Production quality was lacking to say the least, but the content was top-notch. Far different from the typical interview show. The Bitshares lead dev guy was quite interesting,  but a similar interview style directed at others would help your show grow.

Bitshares is a (great) starting point. Including other devs and communities is in the making...

The overall goal really is the present content that is not just of lot of talking without much content. There is so much innovation happening everywhere....

[nikola384]

Who are the guests/topics for this week?

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Who are the guests/topics for this week?

The guest is Dan Larimer.  We're always looking for more participants.  Either in general or anyone who has a project they would like to talk about.  Perhaps both at the same time.  Details can be found in the OP or on beyondbitcoinshow.com

The content for the upcoming show is actually quite compelling.  A user from the Bitshares community shows up and started to really delve into Dan's choice of voting method.  He really pushes approval voting and it appears Dan actually changes his mind on the issue.  Resulting in a more robust Delegated POS.  Of course many other topics are discussed too.  It should be posted tomorrow.

[fuznutts]

The intention currently is to start networking out from the Beyond Bitcoin (BTS) "starting point" (see the name on Bitshares' forum: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?board=58.0), and begin getting representatives from multiple communities to start using the free services provided to give raw Virtual Meetup/Hangout/Conference content.  Then it is posted for literally anyone to cut and edit to create their own "show".  Arthur is the first person to do the work necessary to be a host...but it is available for anyone. 

We use Mumble for virtual events to ensure a lower barrier to entry.  The mumble server enables anyone to record conversations at any time, so it is like giving every user a free press pass along with free entry (and even a free venue for hosting).  Max limit is 380, but livestream enables people to listen in at any time (once the main site is updated to link to it) and nothing is keeping people from starting hangouts to stream it for youtube content. 

Big plans ahead, and I cannot tell you all of them but lets just say our current team means to expand.  As for altcoins.  They are definitely something we are looking into and mostly just need committed people from altcoin communities (hard to find, unfortunately, with the present Pump and Dump state of the ecosystem).  We also plan on working into DACs, DApps, DAEs...etc. 

From my personal perspective, altcoins are fighting in an ecosystem that is severely limiting.  Only when consensus technology gains mainstream traction with users, businesses and other entities, with the blockchain protocol know its true value.  We plan on delving into the oddities that are going to try to exist using blockchain technology in the back end and give devs and active crypto enthusiasts a place to converge where ideas can evolve collaboratively.   

Definitely interested in other people joining up and providing their own content though.  As in VERY interested. The value proposition for all sides is going to be wonderful as well because those who produce content or are there early will be closer to the information pulse that is going to be the Decentralized Autonomous Revolution.  And we all know what happened to early adopters of Bitcoin.  There is no reason to believe there will be an absence of DACs with as high a market cap as the entire industry currently has...so knowing early on about projects and their legitimacy not only helps users who are informed by our experience in the field...but also helps us for knowing early on which projects in a particular biome (group of ecosystems) are "safe" for investment. 

Hope this provides some insight...     

[nikola384]

Who are the guests/topics for this week?

The guest is Dan Larimer.  We're always looking for more participants.  Either in general or anyone who has a project they would like to talk about.  Perhaps both at the same time.  Details can be found in the OP or on beyondbitcoinshow.com

The content for the upcoming show is actually quite compelling.  A user from the Bitshares community shows up and started to really delve into Dan's choice of voting method.  He really pushes approval voting and it appears Dan actually changes his mind on the issue.  Resulting in a more robust Delegated POS.  Of course many other topics are discussed too.  It should be posted tomorrow.

Interesting!
I should drop by. Saturdays only, right?

[fuznutts]

Who are the guests/topics for this week?

The guest is Dan Larimer.  We're always looking for more participants.  Either in general or anyone who has a project they would like to talk about.  Perhaps both at the same time.  Details can be found in the OP or on beyondbitcoinshow.com

The content for the upcoming show is actually quite compelling.  A user from the Bitshares community shows up and started to really delve into Dan's choice of voting method.  He really pushes approval voting and it appears Dan actually changes his mind on the issue.  Resulting in a more robust Delegated POS.  Of course many other topics are discussed too.  It should be posted tomorrow.

Interesting!
I should drop by. Saturdays only, right?

Saturday is when we host the virtual meetup we hold with Dan, but literally anyone is allowed to form their own virtual meetups (and even conferences)--all we ask is that they try to coordinate with others to make sure maximum utility is assured.  With that said, I will likely have time for an extra hour or two each Sat after Dan in the case that anyone wants to update the world on a project or potentially pitch one to the DAC community.  Of course you are also welcome to meet Dan and the community and participate in discussions we are having as well...or just sit back and record to propagate to others as you see fit (raw or edited). 

The intention is to help lower barriers of entry for community discourse over large distances and enable easier access to conference settings with little to no entrance fee.  This coupled with the embedded recording functionality enables all users to become potential journalists and marketers of projects they believe in.  Dan was just one of the first people to believe in it...Hope this helps and we look forward to seeing new bright-eyed additions.

[fuznutts]

is there a way to bump these?

[gweedo]

The password doesn't work...

[beyondbitcoinshow]

I am not sure why the password wouldn't work.  Go to beyondbitcoinshow.com and click on "Get involved".  We are about to go online in 5 minutes.

[gweedo]

I am not sure why the password wouldn't work.  Go to beyondbitcoinshow.com and click on "Get involved".  We are about to go online in 5 minutes.

Cause the password on the site has a ! not a 1
site password:

w0rldCh@NG3rsUN!t3

Password in OP

w0rldCh@NG3rsUN1t3

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Here is the latest Beyond Bitcoin Dev Hangout.  If anyone wants to be a part of the show got to beyondbitcoinshow.com and click on Get Started.  We're always wanting more people involved.  Unfortunately we've mainly been discussing bitcoin but we're open to anyone who wants to discuss their project.

Here is the episode from the June 21rst.

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/hangout-6-21-2014-dan-larimer

• 0:58 Dan Larimer’s update on Bitshares Exchange and DelegatedPOS.   Functional alpha wallet released.  Compilation requirements.
  
• 4:50 Talk of the XT shares from the previous snapshot and naming considerations.  How shares in the Bitshares ecosystem works.
• 10:30 Dan gives straightforward basic discussion about blockchain technology and how it can affect the world in a positive manner.  Talks about how low barrier of entry can be used to further decentralization.
• 11:50 Talk of Lavabit, pro-freedom, and the US Constitution.  The basis of rights and where they actually come from.   How are they enforced in reality?
• 21:50 Voting in DPOS (Delegated Proof of Stake).   Discussion about voting methods and possible problems on the horizon.  How do you determine transaction fees?  Why is dilution necessary to bootstrap a DAC and the value this gives. How does paying Delegates provide value to DACs?
• 39:56 How does incentivizing Delegates early on hurt the little guy?  Does the barrier of entry increase too much?  The concept of Charity Delegates.
• 44:45 Proposal to use voting median to determine Delegate pay.   Discussion about using market to determine transaction fees vs dilution. Discussion about opportunity cost of negative voting in traditional voting systems that have kickbacks.
• 54:50 Talk about how DAC employees with ability to reinvest will create explosive growth.  How does Bitcoin approach compare?!
• 1:01:43 Post-mortem discussion.  Delegate teams? Various thoughts.  Lurkers chime in.
  

[jshow5555]

Very interesting.  I started digging/researching Dan's project  lately.
 I should come listen live sometime.  Any other interesting fellas coming soon?

Keep up the good work!

[fuznutts]

Very interesting.  I started digging/researching Dan's project  lately.
 I should come listen live sometime.  Any other interesting fellas coming soon?

Keep up the good work!

Yeh we have only been doing it for about 2 months now and have already had chats with Sunny King and Stephen Reid.  There are many  more outreach projects planned...but we are still new.  Beyond Bitcoin is actually meant to enable anyone to create their own content, setup their own meetups --and even start your own conferences in a virtual setting that can scale with tools currently available.  The key is to lower barriers to entry to there is no need to pay for to enter conferences and to make it easier to meet with people over large geographic distances.  

Please feel free to stop by and please feel free to bring others.  We welcome everyone to do so...literally everyone.  

[CLains]

Love the parts where Daniel Larimer gets philosophical 

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Beyond Bitcoin Community Dev Hangout

Hot off the press.  Listen to this now or listen to it later.  Just get it together !!

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/hangout-6-28-2014-dan-larimer

• 0:50 Dan Larimer gives update on the state of the Bitshares project.  Dan explains why propagating through anonymous nodes causes issues for 15 second blocks.
• 8:00 What is the difference in damage a miner can do vs a Delegate inside DPOS ?
• 13:20 Selective DOS.  How could government use centralized mining pools to attack BTC?  How the ability to fork a digital organization prevents rule by majority which can be a problem in Democracy.
• 18:00 Dan goes into why he doesn’t see share-dropping onto other communities to be that valuable.
• 30:40 What is the status on the Delegate pay method? aka transaction fees.
• 39:00 DAC employees and discussing the various ways employees can be paid.
• 49:30 Would it be possible to snapshot assets ?!?
• 56:50 Dan talks about the group trap.  

[CLains]

The delegate discussion is one of the more interesting things in the crypto space atm. The almost organismic nature of DACs will soon reveal itself.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

The delegate discussion is one of the more interesting things in the crypto space atm. The almost organismic nature of DACs will soon reveal itself.

Ahhh a fan I see!  I'll be posting the next episode tomorrow.  I agree about DACs being the most innovative area right now.  There are some independent guys doing equivalent things on their own forks of existing coins, but nothing touches the breadth of the Bitshares solution.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

An interesting show.  Nothing groundbreaking discussed but the vicious dog's appearance made up for it.


https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/hangout-7-05-2014-dan-larimer#t=0:40

• 0:40 Status of Bitshares XTS via Dan Larimer.
• 4:18 What Bitshares ME will be.
• 9:27 Why would someone implement their own chain and not use an existing chain?
• 14:08 Why is Bitshares using C++ over other languages ?
• 18:55 Talk about partial centralization to register identities.  Dan announces the Follow My Vote DAC and discusses certification of identities.
• 28:20 Dan talks about issues with scalability with 100% distributed systems.
• 35:40 Talk about code to handle URLs that link to Delegate voting directly.  
• 44:16 Ethereum vs Bitshares github commit rates.  Brent from canonizer.com explains his site while being attacked by his dog in the background.
• 48:22 The dog turns it up a notch.  Brent talks about how canonizer.com approaches the problem of wikis and opposing camps.
• 1:03:30 Discussion about how to join the Bitshares X testing team.

We're always happy to have Dan Larimer on, but we'd also like to interview some altcoin devs out there with interesting projects.  Send me a pm here if you are interested in being interviewed.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

New site hosting the dev hangout.  Check it out.  http://beyondbitcoinx.net

http://beyondbitcoinx.net/hangout07192014-dan-larimer/

0:00 Dan’s update on BitShares and BitShares X.  BitAsset issues and new solutions.  Talk of how price feeds will be used to put in safe guards to prevent market attacks.
10:00 Dan about how BitShares is based around social consensus and honesty.
15:45 Bitshares PTS beating Mastercoin.
18:20 Is PTS getting a DPOS upgrade ?
23:30  Passing on some news from DAC SUN LIMITED !!!
30:00 Decentralization as a tactic against various failures.  What are the trade offs involved in centralization vs decentralization ?
37:20 Dan talks about the evolution of his decentralization belief.
43:50 Discussion the strange valuations of Counterparty and Mastercoin. Maidsafe coin is #8 and worth more than the network is it based on.
47:20 Brian the marketing director drops in to discuss a few things.  Talk of the BitShares culture.
57:54 Talk about how panic might lead people to going into crypto outside of just speculation.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

THank you all the new participants. 

We've decided to try a new time.  No more early Saturdays.  Now we're doing mid-days Friday.  2pm central in the US. 

I'll make another posting tomorrow.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/mumble-dev-hangout-july-26

This episode has Dan Larimer of BitShares introduce a new feature of DPOS.

• 0:30  Dan Larimer talks about RDPOS or Recommended Delegated Proof of Stake and how it fights the problem of voter apathy.  A listener brings up objections to Dan's approach.
• 10:30 Let the debate begin !  Does RDPOS increase centralization ?  5 people chiming in on a most spirited debate!
• 32:40 Dan has to leave early and gives his parting thoughts on the human nature and how it relates to maintaining decentralization. Participants continue their discussion of the various solutions and approaches to Delegate selection.  What are the types of information available to voters?
• 40:30 An in depth discussion of which type of criteria have the most value for determining trustworthy delegates.
• 49:00 Fuz announces his new website beyondbitcoinx.net and how his proposed incentive structure is will reach out to other communities, bringing them into the BitShares ecosystem.

Remember the new time for the show on Fridays !

[beyondbitcoinshow]

New show will be starting in 45 minutes if you have any questions to ask Dan Larimer or something interesting dealing with decentralized bitcoin 2.0 techs, show up.

Here's how to get logged in. http://www.beyondbitcoinshow.com/index.php/get-involved   Please use push to talk.  It is also suggested you turn off text-to-speech in the mumble client.

[fuznutts]

New show will be starting in 45 minutes if you have any questions to ask Dan Larimer or something interesting dealing with decentralized bitcoin 2.0 techs, show up.

Here's how to get logged in. http://www.beyondbitcoinshow.com/index.php/get-involved   Please use push to talk.  It is also suggested you turn off text-to-speech in the mumble client.

Good points.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/bitshares-community-and-developer-hangout-9-12-2014


2:54 Show officially starts with Bytemaster’s weekly update. Yield has been released. Talks about the bot created to provide liquidity. The ability to positive and negatively burn on accounts to help accentuate a trust systems. Dan also talks of the web of trust system and the ability to post messages on someone’s account and how this works to prevent fraud.
7:30 Is there a separate positive and negative balance? Hows the reputation burn system work? Top 10 List Scammer List to be the frontpage.
10:00 How this burning reputation overlaps with the needs of a company like Overstock.com and their possible need to remove stocks from circulation in a provable way.
12:15 Dan announces the messaging system that will be built-in to btsx that will be email like and how this ties into lightweight clients that do not need to scan the whole blockchain. Dan explains how it facilitates multi-sig transactions using this communication system.
13:48 Isn’t this like bip 70 in Bitcoin ? The Payment Protocol by Gavin Andresen ?
17:09 Talk about how there will be the ability to have public accounts.
18:33 What was meant by 5,10, 20 custom assets ?
19:50 Is there a plan for bringing new markets into btsx ?
20:15 Minutes of chaos edited out, but a small sample left in show at request of Fuz.
21:16 Is there any effort by the team to help bootstrap markets ? More talk of BitUSD5+ and freicoin.
25:58 BitUSD20 lands in an interesting spot and how it varies from BitUSD5. How this might be able to be used to find the proper percentage.
28:33 Dan mentions bitsharesblocks.com and how he is excited to see more block explorers.
30:30 How the bot is only to create liquidity and not speculate.
31:30 Why use different categories of BitUSD ? 5,10,20 etc? Why not use a bond market ? A very technical discussion on market mechanics and what he expects to happen with the new yield system. The bot is further explained
37:00 What about the barrier to entry by the high fee charged in BTSX for asset listing ?
38:45 Will the meta-data have a public and private standard ?
41:17 What about delegates having anonymity versus publicly identified delegates.
43:20 Do we have enough delegates ?
44:24 Has any consideration been given to paying people who are standby delegates ?
46:35 A question on clarification on voting with slates. Dan talks about how slates impact privacy.
51:50 Delving into the mechans of the delegate slate voting system.
52:45 Do the features from the voting DAC overlap with voting in BTSX and the bitshares toolkit ?
54:05 What do people get by agreeing to social consensus and giving 20% to AGS/PTS ? What would happen if people ignored AGS/PTS ? What is Bytemaster’s opinion on competition ?
1:06:31 What will the lightweight client be like ?
1:09 Dan Larimer departs back to doing development !
1:09:23 Brian Page starts to talk about the marketing efforts and the big Inside Bitcoin conference being held in Las Vegas in October. Brian also talks about going to the Bitcoin job conference looking for web developers with AngularJS experience. The audio issues return.
1:14:20 Brian Page talks about his experience with a main street Wall Street analyst and his take on BitShares X. He also goes into wanting to get a real analyst to sit down from outside of crypto world to sit down and analyze BTSX indepth as if it was a regular stock.
1:22:36 Where did Daniel learn all his market education ?
1:24:15 Rumors that Daniel is Satoshi Nakomoto ?

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Anyone have any feedback on this show ?  I would love to hear it.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Here is the latest show.  No annotations as of yet.  https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/beyond-bitcoin-community-dev-hangout-2014-9-26

After the initial status update, Daniel Larimer goes into Nubits and how it is not a competitor to Bitshares X.

[matt608]

Another interesting show, please keep doing these.

[beyondbitcoinshow]

Here are the annotations.

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/beyond-bitcoin-community-dev-hangout-2014-9-26

Beyond Bitcoin Community Dev Hangout -

0:00 show starts
4:35 Usually when you short there is a fee that is assessed upfront, why wait a month ?
5:20 Whats keeping someone from creating bots to create bots to cover and reshort ? Explain the monthly limit.
6:55 Talk of the bots that have been posted and released. How about a shorting bot ? How would it work ?
8:09 Will tweaks to bots be submitted to github ?
8:55 Another thing we are working on is a new transaction type says Bytemaster.
9:13 The other big event of the week is nubits.
12:14 Do you think there is a risk to Peercoin by Nubits ?
12:52 Lets highlight the difference in approaches between nubits vs the collateralization approach.
15:08 Dan points out how in fairness, Bitshares X has been called a ponzi scheme.
16:45 People were claiming nubits could fund development of peercoin and family, thoughts ?
21:03 How explaining things in the company metaphor helps in aiding the explanation of Bitshares X relative to other products.
23:40 Does Nubits hyper inflation after Nushare price ?
25:20 Joking talk about a BitNuBit and being able to short it.
26:00 Is it possible to make an API for outside exchanges ?
27:55 What is the relation between I3 and the developers of Music DAC ?
29:30 Discussion of changes made
30:52 Why would the social contract prohibit the previous mentioned improvement ? Discussion on the 2 camps in the community and their wishes. How about over-leveraging the system with catastrophic effects ?
40:55 Can we have a feature that allows shareholders to propose a poll on the blockchain to vote on ?
43:00 What about Dacsunlimited cloning Bitshares X into other coins to maximize value to Bitshares X holders ?
45:55 Regarding DDOS attacks, how does POW compare to DPOS in regards to resiliency to attacks ?
50:05 What role are the delegates who are not in top 101 and can be they be analyzed as easily ?
51:03 It is likely Bitcoin will switch to DPOS and what effect would it have on Bitshares ?
53:20 The market overview page in the GUI, are there plans to make it nicer looking ?
54:00 Daniel Larimer starts to departs but says one last thing.
55:10 Post show starts. Talk of Cob from Music DAC will be coming next week. Talk of his his new non-technical whitepaper and how impressive it is. bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=9360.0
An open discussion largely about Music DAC. A viewer thinks the possibility might be larger than Bitshares X?

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/beyond-bitcoin-community-dev-hangout-2014-9-26