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June 10, 2014, 05:39:18 PM
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reddit is hardly an example of community, look what they did with Doge, they basically kicked moolah out with their aggressiveness and censorship.
Doge is a scam currency, just like the dollar.

It's good that schools got computers for the kids to learn on in the 90's, but you should have to pass an internet ethics course before being allowed to use the internet Wink. The conversation can deteriorate into what sounds like Halo or Call of Duty gaming chat rather quickly. It is frustrating.
There's a reason for that. It's no accident that Americans have stunted maturity.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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June 11, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
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reddit is hardly an example of community, look what they did with Doge, they basically kicked moolah out with their aggressiveness and censorship.

I don't use reddit. They lost me when they decided to censor peoples political beliefs.

I'm finding the same thing. And r/bitcoin is no different. The admins will heap together downvotes on stories that they would prefer to not see on the front page or just delete threads altogether. Don't call something a community when it is really an oligarchy. Information should be left to it's own merits, and admins and mods should see only that the forum rules and etiquette be followed. Information filtering/censorship is wrong and damaging for the community.

It's good that schools got computers for the kids to learn on in the 90's, but you should have to pass an internet ethics course before being allowed to use the internet Wink. The conversation can deteriorate into what sounds like Halo or Call of Duty gaming chat rather quickly. It is frustrating.

Disclaimer: I still read reddit.
Umm... LOL? Do you realize what a Oligarchy is/was? I doubt the Admins of r/bitcoin would be so hellbent rich and voting down votes because, it's a Oligarchy people!

Isn't that irrelevant itself? Going on to a new topic whilst talking about this Oligarchy?

Reddit is terrible. I hate that place. It seems its always the most aggressive that gets noticed and it's a shame.

They also like to shut down political discourse that disagrees with the residents of their echo chamber. No thanks.

Anyway, back on saying 'reddit'  'Reddit' is terrible. I love how you guys are just giving one example, which is r/bitcoin, and saying ALL of Reddit is terrible. There's so many subreddits on Reddit, that you can barely count. Yet, you speak of each one questioning the 'Politicial beliefs'.

Oh yes, every Subreddit, including r/trees, r/gonewild, r/NoSleep, r/NoSleep Butler, r/Gaming, and hell, even r/WTF, too, huh?

Because that's totally not a invalid generalization, and guess what? Now everybody over at 4Chan never fight with each other. Oh, and yes, everyone in the Bitcoin community are blood thirsty scammers looking for another buck.  Roll Eyes

EDIT: r/LetsNotMeet is now the leader of their 'Oligarchy'.
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June 11, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
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reddit is hardly an example of community, look what they did with Doge, they basically kicked moolah out with their aggressiveness and censorship.

I don't use reddit. They lost me when they decided to censor peoples political beliefs.

Athene's theory of everything/Why he quit LOL has a good bit on why he left reddit, a good listen.
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June 11, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
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People get scared that their bitcoins will lose value. It's like a mother with her child. Protect it as far as possible.

 

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June 12, 2014, 02:37:48 AM
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Is it safe to come out again?

I say this because on Sunday we saw the very worst of the so called 'Bitcoin Community' (apologies to most on this forum as probably the silent majority also watched) on both this forum and Reddit where literally hundreds of vitriolic, aggressive, threatening etc posts / conversations were sprayed out left right and center attacking the CEX.IO / GHash.IO entity, including death and violence threats to owners / users of that service.

It was totally pathetic and to me it showed one very good reason why Bitcoin has a lot of growing up to do. No, not because of the 51% issue (yes that does need to be addressed, but by the industry participants / guardians of the Bitcoin protocol themselves collaboratively) but because of the type of poisonous rhetoric that came forth over the past day or so. Just imagine a newbie to crypto currency having a look at this new opportunity doing a bit of research on the so called informative forums to be presented with the type of crap that was seen. They would quickly retreat back to the 'Yeh Mt.Gox and angry trolls is what Bitcoin is all about to me'

How can we have an industry grow and encourage innovation and expect mainstream uptake when companies that offer services people want to use get attacked and vilified because they are doing a good job and attracting customers over and above their competitors. Lets all attack Intel they have too many processors in the computer ecosystem, lets all attack Apple they have far too many mobile phones in the mobile ecosystem.

So for me, Bitcoin Community needs to learn a lesson from this and look at a way of collaboratively addressing the underlying issue.



It's been this way from the beginning, and it's something I addressed in another thread. For newbies this currency is a nightmare, I made a post about it on reddit how everyone should at least get ONE shot. Who has the money now to buy a fancy ASIC rig? Who knows why one person might need a loan, or might need help with people chipping in to refund his life (me for example) why are people so hypocritical and cynical about this? So many people are quick to say "bitcoin is the wave of the future jump on" and then turn around and say "but don't bother me about it". We should be trying to help one another, I don't think the community or BTC in general is going to get anywhere if something like this keeps up. It's kind of annoying that when somebody is actually in need, the community in general thinks it's a scam of some sort. I understand the need to see where their investment is going, but I'm not going to jump through hoops to show somebody that I'm actually trying to rebuild my life.

BTC will never grow up, I'm surprised it's even still around. In 2011 when I discovered it it was 14 dollars a coin, I couldn't buy any then. I had to make a loaf of bread last me over a week. I was worried if I could get my medicines or if I could pay my bills. If you don't want to believe that, that's fine. But that's poverty. I tried with my little atom notebook to mine and it was just NOT profitable. Now? The only way to get btc is if you buy it (600 a btc no thanks) run sig campaigns or I don't know. Nobody is willing to let go and be charitable to newbies or people in general.

I thought we all supposed to help each other here?

All of these new cryptocurrencies and altcoins coming out, who's going to profit off of that? Certainly not me. Certainly not some new guy with a couple of asic's who thought they would be good to run for altcoin. No, those who were early adopters will sit amongst the top while those of us scrapping the barrel looking for help will be left fending for themselves. The rich will stay rich and the poor will continue to stay poor.

What else could I say?
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June 12, 2014, 03:59:49 AM
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But that's poverty. I tried with my little atom notebook to mine and it was just NOT profitable.

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The rich will stay rich and the poor will continue to stay poor.

You could spend $250 on a notebook. You were on the internet. You had time to play around with bitcoin.

You had food, water, education. You were getting your medicine so you also enjoyed healthcare. Did you actually at any time fail to pay for any of your basic needs?

Many people in the world would consider you rich.


On the side: mining bitcoin in 2011 was not profitable? Look how much the coins you (could have) mined then are (would have been) worth now. It wouldn't have earned you money in 1 week. But the returns over 2 years would have been significant. Yes, there is a risk. People generally don't earn money without significant effort or taking risk.


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June 12, 2014, 04:17:07 AM
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But that's poverty. I tried with my little atom notebook to mine and it was just NOT profitable.

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The rich will stay rich and the poor will continue to stay poor.

You could spend $250 on a notebook. You were on the internet. You had time to play around with bitcoin.



once again, you completely missed the point.
in 2011, I was not in the position to do anything but make sure that every living expense I had was spent on making sure I still had a roof over my head, insecurities or taking risks or not, when you aren't sure if your going to be evicted, or if you have running water the next morning, that's when you don't tend to take internet risks on things you don't know much about.

And if I remember correctly, which I usually do. My little Dell Atom Notebook was getting 20mh/s while everyone had their Radeon xyz 20932902's and I was maybe making 0.1 CENT a day. So no, I definitely wasn't making any money off of bitcoin, and no that's not what I would consider rich at all.

What else could I say?
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June 12, 2014, 04:31:18 AM
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But that's poverty. I tried with my little atom notebook to mine and it was just NOT profitable.

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The rich will stay rich and the poor will continue to stay poor.

You could spend $250 on a notebook. You were on the internet. You had time to play around with bitcoin.



once again, you completely missed the point.
in 2011, I was not in the position to do anything but make sure that every living expense I had was spent on making sure I still had a roof over my head, insecurities or taking risks or not, when you aren't sure if your going to be evicted, or if you have running water the next morning, that's when you don't tend to take internet risks on things you don't know much about.

And if I remember correctly, which I usually do. My little Dell Atom Notebook was getting 20mh/s while everyone had their Radeon xyz 20932902's and I was maybe making 0.1 CENT a day. So no, I definitely wasn't making any money off of bitcoin, and no that's not what I would consider rich at all.

And you miss the point of my post. You managed to pay for all your basic needs and a notebook plus internet. Now consider how many people cannot pay for their basic needs. Then reconsider stating that you live in poverty. In my opinion you may not have been well off, but you were not in poverty.


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June 12, 2014, 04:37:49 AM
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I guess then that we have different opinions on what poverty is. I know people have and have had it worse than myself. I've been lucky in the past to at least have a place to call my own and some internet, the computer was actually gifted to me and it was on it's last legs so mining was even risky. Poverty to me is exactly where I was, and now? Now I'm floating trying to keep my head above water and it's not happening. The community is very harsh about people who are in these circumstances, they feel as if people like myself are looking to scam them or other's out of money. That's not the point, I have no idea to scam anybody. I have no desire to, but I would like some help. Making 30 bucks every other week on a sig campaign isn't going to rebuild my life fast. It might not rebuild me at all. But I sure as hell don't think it's fair that people are holding large sums of this and I can't even rub 2 pennies together. Free internet/roof or not, that's not fair. It's not mine. I want something that's "mine" I want to be independent. I don't want to rely on others, but I can't do that by myself right now.

What else could I say?
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June 12, 2014, 04:38:44 AM
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Poverty in the US has clearly been redefined.  The traditional definition holds true outside the US.

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June 12, 2014, 05:03:55 AM
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Is it safe to come out again?

I say this because on Sunday we saw the very worst of the so called 'Bitcoin Community' (apologies to most on this forum as probably the silent majority also watched) on both this forum and Reddit where literally hundreds of vitriolic, aggressive, threatening etc posts / conversations were sprayed out left right and center attacking the CEX.IO / GHash.IO entity, including death and violence threats to owners / users of that service.

It's not something limited to solely Bitcoin - it is simply a part of human nature. No matter what you do you're going to have haters from people who are scared that a 51% percent attack will lower the value of their holdings and hence get angry and disabused when we get close to that as it has the potential of dropping the price like a stone.

I don't think anything is going to change, no matter what some individuals try to do - you simply cannot change human nature by yourself.
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June 12, 2014, 05:05:56 AM
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I guess then that we have different opinions on what poverty is. I know people have and have had it worse than myself. I've been lucky in the past to at least have a place to call my own and some internet, the computer was actually gifted to me and it was on it's last legs so mining was even risky. Poverty to me is exactly where I was, and now? Now I'm floating trying to keep my head above water and it's not happening. The community is very harsh about people who are in these circumstances, they feel as if people like myself are looking to scam them or other's out of money. That's not the point, I have no idea to scam anybody. I have no desire to, but I would like some help. Making 30 bucks every other week on a sig campaign isn't going to rebuild my life fast. It might not rebuild me at all. But I sure as hell don't think it's fair that people are holding large sums of this and I can't even rub 2 pennies together. Free internet/roof or not, that's not fair. It's not mine. I want something that's "mine" I want to be independent. I don't want to rely on others, but I can't do that by myself right now.

I'm not wealthy either, but I definitely do not consider myself poor. I don't feel that it's unfair for some people being (extremely) rich *if* they have gathered their possessions in a fair way. Everyone that mined large amounts of bitcoin in 2009 and sat on them until 2013 cashing out at $1000+ dollar got their wealth fair in my book. Anyone setting up an exchange, holding large amounts of other peoples bitcoins and then taking them for themselves did not gain their wealth fair. I don't judge on having (or not having) something as fair. Gaining or losing something can be though.

Also I don't consider myself a victim and I don't feel entitled to other people's wealth. Though if anyone out there wants to share some wealth with me (instead of with say, skottiejay) I will not complain either Tongue

Poverty in the US has clearly been redefined.  The traditional definition holds true outside the US.

I guess so. In the city I live there are people in slums without running water. But they do have television, some even satelite. I guess it's hard to define poverty. We live in a weird world.


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June 12, 2014, 02:32:09 PM
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Is it safe to come out again?

I say this because on Sunday we saw the very worst of the so called 'Bitcoin Community' (apologies to most on this forum as probably the silent majority also watched) on both this forum and Reddit where literally hundreds of vitriolic, aggressive, threatening etc posts / conversations were sprayed out left right and center attacking the CEX.IO / GHash.IO entity, including death and violence threats to owners / users of that service.

It was totally pathetic and to me it showed one very good reason why Bitcoin has a lot of growing up to do. No, not because of the 51% issue (yes that does need to be addressed, but by the industry participants / guardians of the Bitcoin protocol themselves collaboratively) but because of the type of poisonous rhetoric that came forth over the past day or so. Just imagine a newbie to crypto currency having a look at this new opportunity doing a bit of research on the so called informative forums to be presented with the type of crap that was seen. They would quickly retreat back to the 'Yeh Mt.Gox and angry trolls is what Bitcoin is all about to me'

How can we have an industry grow and encourage innovation and expect mainstream uptake when companies that offer services people want to use get attacked and vilified because they are doing a good job and attracting customers over and above their competitors. Lets all attack Intel they have too many processors in the computer ecosystem, lets all attack Apple they have far too many mobile phones in the mobile ecosystem.

So for me, Bitcoin Community needs to learn a lesson from this and look at a way of collaboratively addressing the underlying issue.


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