NEM's leader utopianfuture RETIRED after mistake posting w. sockpuppet acc[SCAM]

[snr]

This is why IPO coins are all scams.

This is just another way to spread the coins.

[TaunSew]

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

[rockethead]

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337

[formula1]

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

Again, why do you keep normalizing crappy, bullshit behavior? Is the standard of being a filthy liar  something that you want to carry over into the NEM world?

Come to the forum once a while and have a treat today. I have a question for you though. Do you know how many socks/ money BCnext, Qora, Sim, NxtLite developers are puting in their IPO ? No one knows and they are all the same and I believe that is problem with IPO model, especially one with very few investors like Nxt and Qora. In these cases, I consider as given that the dev. has at least 30% of the total coin.

He said he does not profit from any sock account. Take it for what it is worth becasue it is bloody hard to create 1000 sock puppet accounts.

[R4v37]

The Easiest way to make money...
PLAY SCAM!!!!       

[TaunSew]

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337

Not protecting his image.  Protecting his actions.  Have you tried starting a coin on this website?  Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community.

If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat.   You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such.

There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on.   You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority.  So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile?  Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation.

[jubalix]

even if true, who knew people act in self interest, and its not like NXT did not cut's its IPO mysteriously short, so what the product is out and stands apart from that.

I add though UTF's error was not the sock puppet but the incompetence in not being able to manage the sock puppet account.

[rockethead]

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337

Not protecting his image.  Protecting his actions.  Have you tried starting a coin on this website?  Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community.

If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat.   You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such.

There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on.   You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority.  So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile?  Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation.

Protecting his actions? What for? He is history. Start a coin from page 1 to page 20? Which one? You got proof to say so? I'd like to see that.

"If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat..."

The very basis of that statement above made by you makes me doubt your integrity in the first place. And please do not claim to speak for the silent majority if you have nothing to proof so. We live in a world of facts and figures to convince one another. Making statements like that make one feel that you are perhaps UP.

I rest my case, as I do not wish to be embroiled in this and as I said earlier, I don't wish to let emotions get the better of us. Whatever you are doing
now is not going to do good for the community. Really I am  not sure whether you care about NEM moving forward as I don't see any relevance now in as far as what you are trying to say to the crowd.

[SomethingElse]

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UP = I am sorry. I messed up.  I quite. 

OP = Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

[SomethingElse]

I looks like the old NEM thread was locked before I could post my response. In any event, these are my thoughts:

I'm saddened and disappointed by what has happened today. There is no excuse for what utopianfuture did. It's unprofessional to bash another coin anonymously using sockpuppet accounts. It's worse that those same sockpuppet accounts were used to sign up for NEM stakes because that goes directly against NEM's fair distribution principle.

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

I've heard from a plurality of the core dev team and they mostly share this sentiment. I'm sure I will hear from the rest of the team at some point over the weekend. But, aside from a lot of extra gossip, this transgression shouldn't impact the development of NEM. utopianfuture is not a developer and has not written a single line of code.

I'm hopeful that NEM will emerge from this situation even stronger. NEM was always built around decentralization and fairness and having a single "leader" is really diametrically opposed to that. NEM needs to have a community, not a leader.

As for myself, can you trust me? That's up to you to decide, but I will share a few things:

1. I've never heard of simcoin.
2. I'm to busy coding to have sockpuppet account.
3. I don't have a multiple personality disorder.

Let's try to move forward instead of living in the past. The open alpha is less than two weeks away!

P.S. The core dev team will be reaching out to the community to find someone to lead the marketing and biz-dev of NEM going forward. Understandably, we want to spend most of our time coding until NEM is ready.

P.P.S. I will be on the #ournem IRC channel for the next half hour if anyone has questions for me.

+1

[Eadeqa]

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

Just words shouldn't be enough. I don't want UP to be totally out, but his developer shares should be cut in half.

[runninghappy]

We believe the NEM's core principles of fairness and equality

utopianfuture u seem like a complete asshole right now! really, shame on u

RIP...
really sad for the other developers who did all the work for u

Yes. Shame on him. He is irredeemable in my eyes. But more importantly, shame on you and TwinWinNerD. It's a good thing and a service to the community to out a coward and a enormous hypocrite, but it is another equally despicable and morally reprehensible act to deride and debase an entire community whos membership is, by large majority, based in earnestness and respectabilty as much as any other on this site or elsewhere. Shame on you and your hostility and self-interest, which I am sure the larger bitcointalk community will come to judge as equally reprehensible to the actions of UtopianFuture.

[EvilDave]

I'm going to echo jaguar0625 on this, in my own words:

To the NEM 'community' :
Stop whining about needing a f**king leader, man up, and get working on rescuing NEM from this clusterfuck.
You are supposed to be an egalitarian, fair and equal project, but all I see are a bunch of kids looking for a new babysitter.
No-one is going to rescue you, if you won't do it yourself.

The very title of this thread pisses me off; "NEM's leader....."
You shouldn't need a leader, a strong community is what will get results.

I suggest that the first thing someone does is to find out exactly what UP did with sockpuppets and stakes....I've seen a lot of accusations and not very much evidence.
Does he have one stake-holding sock-puppet or 20 ?
Until you know the extent of the damage, you can't fix it.

[nutildah]

I'm going to echo jaguar0625 on this, in my own words:

To the NEM 'community' :
Stop whining about needing a f**king leader, man up, and get working on rescuing NEM from this clusterfuck.
You are supposed to be an egalitarian, fair and equal project, but all I see are a bunch of kids looking for a new babysitter.
No-one is going to rescue you, if you won't do it yourself.

The very title of this thread pisses me off; "NEM's leader....."
You shouldn't need a leader, a strong community is what will get results.

I suggest that the first thing someone does is to find out exactly what UP did with sockpuppets and stakes....I've seen a lot of accusations and not very much evidence.
Does he have one stake-holding sock-puppet or 20 ?
Until you know the extent of the damage, you can't fix it.

You didn't actually contribute anything to the solution of the problem, but pointed out the obvious, yet again. So thanks for that and goodnight.

[devphp]

If some/many of you guys got a few nemstakes with sockpuppet accounts, why can't he get a few nemstakes? You don't really believe you're better than him, do you?

[Momimaus]

I looks like the old NEM thread was locked before I could post my response. In any event, these are my thoughts:

I'm saddened and disappointed by what has happened today. There is no excuse for what utopianfuture did. It's unprofessional to bash another coin anonymously using sockpuppet accounts. It's worse that those same sockpuppet accounts were used to sign up for NEM stakes because that goes directly against NEM's fair distribution principle.

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

I've heard from a plurality of the core dev team and they mostly share this sentiment. I'm sure I will hear from the rest of the team at some point over the weekend. But, aside from a lot of extra gossip, this transgression shouldn't impact the development of NEM. utopianfuture is not a developer and has not written a single line of code.

I'm hopeful that NEM will emerge from this situation even stronger. NEM was always built around decentralization and fairness and having a single "leader" is really diametrically opposed to that. NEM needs to have a community, not a leader.

As for myself, can you trust me? That's up to you to decide, but I will share a few things:

1. I've never heard of simcoin.
2. I'm to busy coding to have sockpuppet account.
3. I don't have a multiple personality disorder.

Let's try to move forward instead of living in the past. The open alpha is less than two weeks away!

P.S. The core dev team will be reaching out to the community to find someone to lead the marketing and biz-dev of NEM going forward. Understandably, we want to spend most of our time coding until NEM is ready.

P.P.S. I will be on the #ournem IRC channel for the next half hour if anyone has questions for me.

Awesome! I really like how this situation is handled!

If you need any help with something, feel free to PM me!

This

[gorillajam]

If some/many of you guys got a few nemstakes with sockpuppet accounts, why can't he get a few nemstakes? You don't really believe you're better than him, do you?

I believe I'm better than him and I have some sock puppet accounts. I just never believe the egalitarian junk.

[hvezdasmrti]

Its ridiculous how much people now care about sockpuppets. Even if every 2nd stake would be a sockpuppet, its still excellent distribution. And now the sockpuppet... Even the sockpuppet did take some initial risk and investment. Most IPO failed at bitcointalk with 0 return. Why do you not complain about sockpuppets investing in any of these failed IPO? I dont agree with some things fully however everybody with IQ over 60 must have realized that its IMPOSSIBLE to prevent someone with few accounts made in right time to buy some stakes. There are some rules of game and it depends on people here how they will play. Every game has it gaps and weakspots and you can be a bugger and abuse it if you are "smarter" than the rules. But... its not about NEM or another project, its all about human being. People are naturally greedy.
There is a way how to prevent it - but it wont never fully work. Send personal ID with registration? Hmm you can copy many IDs of your neighbors. Everything may be bypassed.

I think its absolutelly correct that the guy retired, this is adequate reaction. He failed, so he retired. Thing solved. The rest is only about things which are inpreventable and normal in every project. Everywhere are people with informations having them earlier than the others. And knowing how to behave. EVERYWHERE. NEM is humans project not project of entities better than humans and better behaving than humans.

[mattadc]

Many interesting comments have been sent during the last night. Few thoughts based on those.

utopianfuture's deed was not so dirty as some famous persons' in real life. And those people didn't resign. By resigning utopianfuture increased the level of trust to the NEM community.

There will be newcomers to NEM and they may ask, can NEM be trusted.
The current NEM-haters will say "NO". Then the question is how the current NEM-supporters can assure the newcomers?
Is it enough to have utopianfuture's explanation and core team's comments? No. There is needed the working servers and clients. When the NEM coin is running, everybody understand that utopianfuture's deed was just a human mistake and it didn't affect to NEM.

Also then can be evaluated Come-f-a's accusations, which already have been raising to astronomical yards    and his real identity, which he keeps advertising and hinting with certain writing styles and by saying he has been in the NEM project. Has been in the NEM project and now tries to destroy it? I'd think twice when hiring such a guy in my projects.

[jenea4pda]

Many interesting comments have been sent during the last night. Few thoughts based on those.

utopianfuture's deed was not so dirty as some famous persons' in real life. And those people didn't resign. By resigning utopianfuture increased the level of trust to the NEM community.

There will be newcomers to NEM and they may ask, can NEM be trusted.
The current NEM-haters will say "NO". Then the question is how the current NEM-supporters can assure the newcomers?
Is it enough to have utopianfuture's explanation and core team's comments? No. There is needed the working servers and clients. When the NEM coin is running, everybody understand that utopianfuture's deed was just a human mistake and it didn't affect to NEM.

Also then can be evaluated Come-f-a's accusations, which already have been raising to astronomical yards    and his real identity, which he keeps advertising and hinting with certain writing styles and by saying he has been in the NEM project. Has been in the NEM project and now tries to destroy it? I'd think twice when hiring such a guy in my projects.

Absolutely agree.