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Question: Should Utopianfuture be excluded from the NEM project after his scam conviction?  (Voting closed: June 26, 2014, 06:07:51 PM)
*YES: Exclude/Remove utopianfuture - 44 (47.8%)
*NO: Keep utopianfuture as Grand Leader nevertheless - 48 (52.2%)
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June 12, 2014, 11:34:59 PM
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All he did was create fake accounts, at the very initial beginning, to pad up popularity in NEM.  Every coin does it.   He later took those fake accounts off the stakeholder list, so he never intended to cash out.  His one developer stake was worth more than 40+ sockpuppets and other people were handling the taint analysis.

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June 12, 2014, 11:36:55 PM
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All he did was create fake accounts, at the very initial beginning, to pad up popularity in NEM.  Every coin does it.   He later took those fake accounts off the stakeholder list, so he never intended to cash out.  His one developer stake was worth more than 40+ sockpuppets and other people were handling the taint analysis.


No, they don't. Why do you keep defending this liar? I was really hoping this whole thing could blow over but you are refusing to accept the point that your leader was outed as a scammer. So, nothing can blow anywhere until you first accept this reality.

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June 12, 2014, 11:38:22 PM
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NEW NEM thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650250.new#new

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June 12, 2014, 11:44:20 PM
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this NEM Community should be strong enough to hold togheter.  UF has done so much work for NEM, he has supported you all the way and every question of you has been answerd by UF. Utopian has shown so much courage and engagement in this project, he has sacrificed so much energy in this project. Yes he has done a misstake but everybody isnt free of mistakes.

Utopian stabbed ur back, lying and laughingly. He did nothing but collect work on his way to his OWN SELFISH FINANCIAL FREEDOM.

developers and community are his slaves. how can u not realize this after all? people are so delusional. Wow.

Sorry Come from Backside,  i dont know whats ur intension. You put so much engery to discredit NEM, this is very questionable. UF just created some sockpuppets at a very early stage,   aannnd now? the reaktion of this incedent isnt justified imo.  It seems more than a campaign against NEM now.

Like Politicans trying to find dirty things from the Opposite in before a important Election. Your plan is very Transparent Come-from-Analexit.
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June 12, 2014, 11:51:36 PM
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this NEM Community should be strong enough to hold togheter.  UF has done so much work for NEM, he has supported you all the way and every question of you has been answerd by UF. Utopian has shown so much courage and engagement in this project, he has sacrificed so much energy in this project. Yes he has done a misstake but everybody isnt free of mistakes.

Utopian stabbed ur back, lying and laughingly. He did nothing but collect work on his way to his OWN SELFISH FINANCIAL FREEDOM.

developers and community are his slaves. how can u not realize this after all? people are so delusional. Wow.

Sorry Come from Backside,  i dont know whats ur intension. You put so much engery to discredit NEM, this is very questionable. UF just created some sockpuppets at a very early stage,   aannnd now? the reaktion of this incedent isnt justified imo.  It seems more than a campaign against NEM now.

Like Politicans trying to find dirty things from the Opposite in before a important Election. Your plan is very Transparent Come-from-Analexit.

He's trying too hard and he's the only one running this crusade against NEM.  It's one thing if UtopianFuture actually scammed someone, which he didn't (and if he did then nobody would be defending NEM).

Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks.  Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk.  Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009.

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June 13, 2014, 12:11:04 AM
Last edit: June 13, 2014, 12:40:45 AM by hvezdasmrti
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Every team of every project has some leaders and some control. The system should work now and make conclusions not an empty poll at bitcointalk where every average joe can press random button and chew random fat.

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June 13, 2014, 12:12:30 AM
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why dont you just issue a new stake?  why continue with NEMstake if you don't even know how much Utopian owns?

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June 13, 2014, 12:15:21 AM
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Ok this is number 3 or did i miss some?
How many threads are you gonna open if one of the nxt guys is blamed for a bug in the system?
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June 13, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
Last edit: June 13, 2014, 12:40:26 AM by hvezdasmrti
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NO matter how long will this storm in glass of water take (if we see the aplha release these "shitcointalk wars" will be forgotten rly fast), i must congratulate, the toxic attack "just  by bullshit" reduced the price for 25 percent. The guy from above probably dumped his sockpuppets and after price recovery he was pissed that he didnt make the best trade of his life... I really miss the utopianfutures comment in any of these threads his deffense should ascertain the situation. His posts about resignation etc are in NEM thread not in the innecessary 3 threads making by the same guy.

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June 13, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
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Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks.  Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk.  Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009.

You have absolutely NO PROOF of this WHASTOEVER. Stop pretending that just because other people might also do bad things, that makes UF not so bad. You are just running your mouth because you are afraid this f'up is going to destroy your entire investment. Just man up and accept the fact that Utope screwed himself. AND THEN we will begin the process of healing.

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June 13, 2014, 12:32:33 AM
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Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks.  Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk.  Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009.

You have absolutely NO PROOF of this WHASTOEVER. Stop pretending that just because other people might also do bad things, that makes UF not so bad. You are just running your mouth because you are afraid this f'up is going to destroy your entire investment. Just man up and accept the fact that Utope screwed himself. AND THEN we will begin the process of healing.

Cease and decease with the ad hominems.  As I have informed you once before, your entire argument is a logically fallacy. You keep asserting a negative proof / burden of proof.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

I take it you have never stepped inside of an university, but if I said that about you then that would be an ad hominem response.  Sometimes people are too stupid to reason with, which itself is a logical fallacy called ad nauseam.

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June 13, 2014, 01:06:55 AM
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I take it you have never stepped inside of an university, but if I said that about you then that would be an ad hominem response.  Sometimes people are too stupid to reason with, which itself is a logical fallacy called ad nauseam.

jesus H. christ are you even 1% aware of the blatant irony you just exhibited with your own words?

Let me put it to you this way: every time I catch you trying to cover for UF, I am going to ridicule you and point out the ridiculousness of your arguments. Its not for your sake; its for the people who you are trying to manipulate.


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June 13, 2014, 02:17:44 AM
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if i was doing all that work he was doing i would want at least ten stakes in the fuckin coin, considering i got one for just chipping in.05 …holy fuck its really not a big deal
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June 13, 2014, 03:16:45 AM
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UP wasn't doing any development, technically didn't own any coin since the coins don't even exist yet.

hi city19akro. you are kind of wrong unfortunately, LOTS AND LOTS of Money is traded on Nxt AE exchange and the issuing rights of the NEM tokens traded has solely utopianfuture. he acts as the grand leader.

please dont post if you have no knowledge

I am part of the community as i own several nem stakes. I can open a vote anytime I want and u must accept this thank you for posting

btw "up wasn't doing any development" is a true statement. in fact hes just collecting the "financial freedom" caused by the project lol.


VOTES ARE in favour of utopianfuture at the moment and i respect this. in fact this is the reason i opened the poll. TO SEE THE GENERAL COMMUNITY OPINION and not what i beleive personally.

If given the option in the vote, most would've chosen to wait and see how things unfolded, and if we could get an official statement from UP. This is taking advantage of hype, all of which is not needed.

utopianfuture caused this "hype" not me

all i do is open the much needed voting

I don't know why I think that "Come-from-Above" might be UP.... that is weird. No way to be sure now now.

He has admitted to having many sock puppets.  I guess it is possible then, isn't it? 

BCnext got a project started and bailed.  UtopianFuture is getting a project started and bailing. 

I always thought Emule was BCnext or CfB.  Maybe UP's arch enemy of CfA could really be UP. 

Emule wouldn't log into the NXT forum becomes then his IP would be known.  I am wondering if CfA would be willing to log into the NEM forum?

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June 13, 2014, 03:24:39 AM
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I'm sure Satoshi, BCNext and UtopianFuture have never disappeared - they likely continue to browse and can be identified by their brand of english and other mannerisms.

I think it's cute that people are already accusing me of being UtopianFuture but our english is nowhere the same (easy to fake bad english but not vice versa), if I logged into the NxT or NEM forum our IP / ISPs are completely unrelated, et cetera.  The real UtopianFuture is presumably hunkering down at the moment and will launch another coin.

Maybe Satoshi = BCNext = UtopianFuture.  Don't they all have crap english and terrible programming skills?   Tongue  BCNext and UtopianFuture also created their Bitcointalk accounts after the former disappeared.  *Conspiracy Hat*




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June 13, 2014, 03:29:04 AM
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u not utopia english not same.

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June 13, 2014, 03:30:45 AM
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yes the try-any of the majority is the best way to make decisions.

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June 13, 2014, 09:50:10 AM
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After reading everything you posted, in particular about being a part of the development team, completing trashing all the work of the entire project over on guy's POSSIBLE greed.. you open a new, non-biased thread.. It seems possible that you got into a personal argument over the sock-puppet fiasco and went completely haywire..

Or I could see other possibilities, as all of your posts and seemed to be misdirection.

-If they were direction, you would have posted your role in the development of the coin, all of its failures, and the detailed information that you knew about it.

-It is was misdirection, you effective drove the price down 480 dollars a share.  Thank you.  I was able to afford 1 stake now as I couldn't before.

-The third and outfield guess would possibly be a test of the loyalty of the community.  In which case I would bow at and marvel at the mastery of deception to achieve goals on more then one plane.

The reason why I would assume any of these things, is that everyone one of your posts, had literally no value. You mentioned you had value and would release it in regards to your role in the development, but would not in any way trash the coin's innovations, work achieved/not achieved, or slander the rest of the development team.  If you truly were out, then you would have been out, not owning and controlling the entire thread.  It does not make any sense.  -

 IF you wish to let all of us know what your role is in the development of this project, I'm sure everyone that is here and continually supporting this project, would like to hear it.  If you require your quote to remember what you said, I will get it tomorrow, otherwise perhaps you were incredibly drunk and not thinking clearly when you bombarded this thread with useless and/or personal banter about one individuals mistakes.  And then you sobered up, realized the error of your ways, and started another thread, off to ponder on the morality of the brutish and childish approach you took to a project with grand potential.

  When everyone wakes up to what NXT is, and NEM could possibly be, you will be a shamed and dishonored figure in the community. 
  But perhaps there is truth.  So please spread whatever secret you claim. 

If you truly believe in fairness and equality, as the notion of the opposite did seem to upset you so; you would not let the rest of us suffer while you withhold important and perhaps shameful information about this project and the development of it.  The majority of us are not rich, and use money we earn from working to support our vision of a wealthy and free future.  Do not be unkind if you have information to share.

Please come-down-from-above and meet us on the level to share your insight, to prevent the rest of us suffering.  And if there is no insight, apologize and retain the honor that Utopian did by stepping down from the leadership role and leaving behind all of the work that he did.  If you have a role in this development, you as well should step down based on this seemingly exceptionally childish conduct.

Post soon.  Everyone will be waiting for your response.

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June 13, 2014, 10:05:56 AM
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Hi NEM community!

As I understand-this is new address of NEM thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0

Cheers

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June 13, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
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Hi NEM community!

As I understand-this is new address of NEM thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0

Cheers


P.S I joined NEM about it's beggining, and i saw UP is working hard for NEM.

no matter what, i really think that UP contributes a lot to NEM.

without his work, NEW cant get this far !

so, guys, calm down, dont panic and dont spread panic.

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