[ANN]Bitfrog–Truly Decentralized Autonomous Game Platform (with explainer video)

[tadpole_bitfrog]

This seems like a really great idea! I really hope this catches on. We are another step coser to decentralization!

Congrats devs  

Thanks Miffman for your support! It means a lot to us! We hope we can reach out to more people like you, please support us by:
1. Donation - Supprt and fund our project. You may find the details of donation plan in our official website www.bitfrog.io/#donation .
Donation address:
1frogRHNoxGXYuYUzWnMrdcDiQgGdmQm5
2. Share your view - Every comment counts in making bitfrog a better platform, shape it the way you want!
3. Share bitfrog video to your friends on facebook or twitter - More followers means more successful decentralization.
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4. Join our team -  We are now recruiting poker lovers with professional PR background to join the team. He/ She will be assisting us in public communication in different media and channels. If you are interested, please shoot us a pm. Personal details is not required but it would be nice if you can enclose your resume and share your thought about bitfrog in the message.
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[Chrithu]

This is a very nice idea.

I am not a Poker fan myself, but I can easily see this being applied to all kinds of competitive turn-based games.

I got some question though:

If I understood everything correct your system is planned to mimic Bitcoin so that the Bitfrog client at the same time is used to play the games you take part in and to verify the games/game moves of others.

A verified game move equates to a transaction in Bitcoin and comes with a fee paid in BFS that the verifying party can collect based on Proof of Stake. So anyone that donates basically will have a stake to start with.

But what about the users that hop on after release? Will they be able to collect fees as well?
Will there be a block reward like in Bitcoin that steadily creates more BFS as the platform is used?
How will BFS translate into Bitcoin? Will there be a fixed rate?

Anyhow I wish you the best of luck. I am not in a position to donate but I will happily test Bitfrog when it's done.

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Hi Chrithu, thank you for showing your appreciation. It is encouraging for you to find out the possibility of future development of bitfrog.io.

Basically, we agree that it is possible for the platform to compile turn-based game provided that it is fair and open to all participants. In other words, fair odds of winning and open source coding that anyone can audit it are prerequisites. In the current stage, we will focus on our first DAG - bitfrogPOKER because it can showcase the POC of DAG and mental poker.

As explained in FAQ#2, bitcoin subchain is a self-sustained "BTC blockchain" that is pegged to bitcoin blockchain. It is maintained and secured by BFS holders (a.k.a. bitfrogger). BTC is neither created nor mined in our subchain. When user credit BTC to dedicated BTC address in ordinary BTC blockchain, a mirror transaction will be created in BF's BTC subchain. Vice versa, when user deposit BTC to dedicated address in subchain, a mirror transaction will be broadcasted in BTC blockchain. So it is a two-way pegging between BTC blockchain and BF's BTC subchain. When player complete a round of game and win a certain amount of BTC, only a subchain transaction will take place, some transaction fee can be hunted by bitfroggers in subchain block. There is no immediate BTC transaction on BTC blockchain until user want to "withdraw" BTC from BF's BTC subchain.

To response your questions:
1) What about users who hop on after release?
BFS distributed in stage 1 donation will be reflected on genesis of BFS beta release. Subsequent stages of donation will keep going and donators are still able to acquire BFS.

2) Will they be able to collect fees as well?
Yes for sure. Same amount of BFS means the same opportunity to hunt BTC transaction fee.

3) Will there be a block reward like in Bitcoin that steadily creates more BFS as the platform is used?
No brand new BFS will be mined after genesis creation. Reward will be BFS transaction fee, bitfrogger will maintain BFS blockchain and also BTC subchain, they will be rewarded by BFT transaction fee and BTC transaction fee respectively.

4) How will BFS translate into Bitcoin? Will there be a fixed rate?
There is no direct exchange between BTC and BFS. BFS is only a share instead of a currency. The value of BFS will be derived by the market perception of how well it can hunt for transaction fee, it is similar to stock value is derived by market perception of how well the stock can generate revenue and profit. Exchange is not needed on bitfrog platform because all players can play game in bitfrog platfrom without any BFS holding.

We are pleased to see someone like you not in a position of donation but keep the eye on our projects. We sincerely hope that you can keep commenting and help us spread out our message by sharing our video and post to increase our exposure. .

[tadpole_bitfrog]

http://newsbtc.com/2014/06/23/just-dice-doge-dice-get-betting-depositing-disabled/

After Canada’s announced the bitcoin as money policy, Just-Dice and Doge-Dice shut down their operation, a few fellows have sent us pm to esquire our platform! Let's discuss technical details and donation here to spread the voice of bitfrog!

[invictus1]

How do you plan on dealing with bots?

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Thanks invictus1 for your question.

This is a very good question. After playing poker for years, we see the necessity to solve this problem.  Existing centralised poker sites are also searching for solutions. We have been paying close attention to it.

There is a very good discussion here, you may be interested in taking a look at it:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2717599/defeating-a-poker-bot

There are different approaches for poker sites to detect and defeat bots, Captcha is one of them. After monitoring the playing patterns and playing time, suspicious activities can be spotted. Captcha input is required to continue playing. Despite the effort of poker sites, bots attempt to simulate human behaviours and the inconsistent and unpredictable behaviour of bots make it difficult to be detected.

As sophisticated bots are very difficult to detect, a possible solution will be a socialised setting. The open platform of bitfrog enable the public to monitor suspicious player statistics.  We strongly encourage the bitfrog community to start contributing to guarding our platform after the release of bitfrog poker. 

From our perspective, we believe poker is a skill game. Although bots may help beginners with mathematical skills, for ordinary poker players, the essence of poker is the skills and strategy required. We hope to build a platform for true poker lovers as such.

That's why our focus is put on advocating this decentralised platform to the public. We hope to establish a community to lead the improvement and enhancement of bitfrog, such as functionality and game rule.

Thanks again for your question. It inspires us to rethink the future development of poker.  We hope to have more professionals like you and CoinHoarder to join our discussion to spread the idea of bitfrog to the public.

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Thanks the dedicated development team, our development progress is ahead of schdedule, bitfrog is excited to announce that stage 1 donation will end at GMT 10:00, July 10. BFS Client beta release will be ready at GMT 10:00, July 12.
For those who is still considering, make up your mind NOW and don't miss this opportunity to get BFS. Stay tuned for the official announcement of BFS Client beta release!

[pcchbuler]

How'd you allocate BFS if the donation comes from multiple addresses in the same tx and w/ tx fee?

[RVienz]

This seems like a really great idea! I really hope this catches on. We are another step coser to decentralization!

Congrats devs 

[tadpole_bitfrog]

How'd you allocate BFS if the donation comes from multiple addresses in the same tx and w/ tx fee?

Hi pcchbuler, thanks for your question!
 
The number of share you received will be prorated according to your transaction amount correspond to transaction addresses.
Firstly, we will minus the transaction fee from your input amount which the transaction fee will be prorated based on the original amount
Then, our share will be prorated after the deduction of transaction fee
 
Below is an example:

	Input Amt (BTC)	Donated Amt  after txn fee (BTC)#	Total Share Received (BFS)*
Address A	0.2	0.19998	419,958
Address B	0.8	0.79992	1,679,832
Total	1.0	0.9999	2,099,790

*Assuming total donation is 10 BTC
# Total Transaction Fee, 0.0001 BTC

[tadpole_bitfrog]

24 hours to go until stage one donation cut off! Make up your mind NOW and take prompt action. The largest portion of BFS is issued in stage 1 so you have the highest chance to get more BFS with the same amount of donation. 

Stay tuned for BFS client beta release on July 12 GMT 1000.

[crimealone]

why don't you ask an escrow for help?
All info about you and this project is new. And I can't find detailed specifications from your website.

[tadpole_bitfrog]

why don't you ask an escrow for help?
All info about you and this project is new. And I can't find detailed specifications from your website.

Hi crimealone,
 Thanks for your question! We will consider having an escrow in stage 2 donation. But times is running short for stage one donation so we are unable to do this in this stage.

For our specifications, please take a look at the following link: http://bitfrog.io/forums/topic/bfs-specifications/

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Less than 3 hours until stage one donation cut off! Don't forget to catch the deadline!

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Only one hour left before the the end stage one donation, grasp the final chance!

[tadpole_bitfrog]

Our donation has been cut off at GMT 1000, July 10 2014 sharp. We will wait for 12 hours for transaction confirmation. Afterwards, we will publish out share distribution and put it into genesis.

[tadpole_bitfrog]

As all transactions have received more than 6 confirmations, our preliminary calculation on BFS Reward is out already. Interested parties and donators please check out the following link. Thanks for all of your support!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MrQbuH-j36Dg-H4K3hSaLDoDsHxY-kVxa9zOxFq_ZGI/edit?usp=sharing

If you have any problems regarding the calculation, please raise your concerns on http://bitfrog.io/forums/. We will only accept cases raised on http://bitfrog.io/forums/.

[tadpole_bitfrog]

bitfrog client beta release is out! Please visit our thread in alternate cryptocurrency -  announcement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687826.0. You can also visit our website http://bitfrog.io/#news.

[zhaohui]

bitfrog client beta release is out! Please visit our thread in alternate cryptocurrency -  announcement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687826.0. You can also visit our website http://bitfrog.io/#news.

can I apply for IPO of stage 2 now?   Contrary to stage 1 , Is the costs of stage 2 much more than stage 1?

[tadpole_bitfrog]

bitfrog client beta release is out! Please visit our thread in alternate cryptocurrency -  announcement https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687826.0. You can also visit our website http://bitfrog.io/#news.

can I apply for IPO of stage 2 now?   Contrary to stage 1 , Is the costs of stage 2 much more than stage 1?

Thanks Zhaohui for your question. Stage 2 donation is already started, you can visit http://bitfrog.io/#donation for more information.

In the current stage, we can’t tell whether the cost of stage 2 is higher than stage 1 because BFS issued in each stage will be prorated over donations within the same stage.