Will a war start in Ukraine?

[pastet89]

What is your opinion? Things are getting more and more nervous there. 

[bryant.coleman]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

[pastet89]

This sucks. I hired a programer in Ukraine in January and sent him 50% of the money in advance. He told me few times since then he is nervous about the situation and he prolonged the project because he needed to evacuate his daughter from a dangerous city. Then in april he dissapeared on 100% and stopped replying me. I am not sure if he scammed me with the money and I forgot them already. But I hope he didn't died, if he is alive, pretty bad by him to behgave that way, but if he died... 

[DeathProxy]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Why he stop supporting the rebels? Does your Daddy Putin got afraid?

[validium]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Why he stop supporting the rebels? Does your Daddy Putin got afraid?

Cause it would turn into a war and he doesn't want that and war is expensive.

He also doesnt want blood on his hands.

[joshraban76]

US can't enter a war with Russia.

The Ukraine thingy is just part of the cold war between the two countries, nothing else.

As US can't sit like this with peace, it wants more and more action, why ?, I don't know why !

[bitsmichel]

What is your opinion? Things are getting more and more nervous there.  Undecided

The military leaders are planners and do a cost/benefit analysis.
War would be fought in some of the smaller countries,  in order to have high benefit but "low cost".
I'd say a war on Russian territory is not very likely, perhaps the war would be dragged further into Europe.

[niothor]

What is your opinion? Things are getting more and more nervous there.  Undecided

The military leaders are planners and do a cost/benefit analysis.
War would be fought in some of the smaller countries,  in order to have high benefit but "low cost".
I'd say a war on Russian territory is not very likely, perhaps the war would be dragged further into Europe.

Why would you say that?
It makes absolutely no sense.

It is not Russia who will be the aggressor , they know they don't have anything to gain even if victorious (very slim chances). If indeed a war starts in Ukraine it will most likely engulf Bielorussia first and then spread into Russia , probably with a few fights in the Tiraspol area.

[bitsmichel]

Why would you say that?
It makes absolutely no sense.

It is not Russia who will be the aggressor , they know they don't have anything to gain even if victorious (very slim chances). If indeed a war starts in Ukraine it will most likely engulf Bielorussia first and then spread into Russia , probably with a few fights in the Tiraspol area.

A false flag operation, in order to make Russia seem the aggressor.  A lot of attention has been on the US lately: dragnet surveillance, guatanamo, snowden, financial crisis etc..  The US wants to improve its image abroad, so after the Olympic games suddenly Russia was the bad guy with anti-gays, pussyriot etc.

[niothor]

Why would you say that?
It makes absolutely no sense.

It is not Russia who will be the aggressor , they know they don't have anything to gain even if victorious (very slim chances). If indeed a war starts in Ukraine it will most likely engulf Bielorussia first and then spread into Russia , probably with a few fights in the Tiraspol area.

A false flag operation, in order to make Russia seem the aggressor.  A lot of attention has been on the US lately: dragnet surveillance, guatanamo, snowden, financial crisis etc..  The US wants to improve its image abroad, so after the Olympic games suddenly Russia was the bad guy with anti-gays, pussyriot etc.

They don't need to let russia strike first , they are already labeled as the bad guys.

And honesty , both sides have scored so many bad points in the past few years that it would make both of them look bad even if they were invading hell.

[RoadTrain]

Why would you say that?
It makes absolutely no sense.

It is not Russia who will be the aggressor , they know they don't have anything to gain even if victorious (very slim chances). If indeed a war starts in Ukraine it will most likely engulf Bielorussia first and then spread into Russia , probably with a few fights in the Tiraspol area.

A false flag operation, in order to make Russia seem the aggressor.  A lot of attention has been on the US lately: dragnet surveillance, guatanamo, snowden, financial crisis etc..  The US wants to improve its image abroad, so after the Olympic games suddenly Russia was the bad guy with anti-gays, pussyriot etc.

They don't need to let russia strike first , they are already labeled as the bad guys.

And honesty , both sides have scored so many bad points in the past few years that it would make both of them look bad even if they were invading hell.

What bad things has Russia done in the past few years in your opinion?

[bryant.coleman]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Why he stop supporting the rebels? Does your Daddy Putin got afraid?

Nope. He is not afraid. He is just concerned about the reaction from your mommy, Angela Merkel.

Putin has nothing to gain from supporting the rebels. He does not have enough money to pay for the pensions and salaries of the Donbass citizens. How Ironic? Donbass people want o merge with Russia. But Putin will not allow it.

[RoadTrain]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Why he stop supporting the rebels? Does your Daddy Putin got afraid?

Nope. He is not afraid. He is just concerned about the reaction from your mommy, Angela Merkel.

Putin has nothing to gain from supporting the rebels. He does not have enough money to pay for the pensions and salaries of the Donbass citizens. How Ironic? Donbass people want o merge with Russia. But Putin will not allow it.

Well logically Putin would gain from Donbass and surrounding provinces seceding from Ukraine without joining Russia ala Transnistria.
That would deprive Ukraine of the most of its industrial base, especially Russia-oriented military-supplying factories. After it's done, Russia can stop caring about what remains of Ukraine.

[joshraban76]

Why would you say that?
It makes absolutely no sense.

It is not Russia who will be the aggressor , they know they don't have anything to gain even if victorious (very slim chances). If indeed a war starts in Ukraine it will most likely engulf Bielorussia first and then spread into Russia , probably with a few fights in the Tiraspol area.

A false flag operation, in order to make Russia seem the aggressor.  A lot of attention has been on the US lately: dragnet surveillance, guatanamo, snowden, financial crisis etc..  The US wants to improve its image abroad, so after the Olympic games suddenly Russia was the bad guy with anti-gays, pussyriot etc.

They don't need to let russia strike first , they are already labeled as the bad guys.

And honesty , both sides have scored so many bad points in the past few years that it would make both of them look bad even if they were invading hell.

+1.

I can't find any reason for starting a war, only innocent people who pays the war bill.

Why can't we leave in peace ? Why all what we seek is money and power ?

[Balthazar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycpR_DcEIU

However, it's nice time for good laugh, thanks to keyboard warriors.

shockolanul
3 hours ago
 
+99X I'm from Romania and I will join Russia in the event of an open war between Russia and NATO. Same goes for many from Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. Maybe I will cry along with the Russians, but surely you will not be there, because you're a keyboard warrior and you would never lift a finger off the keyboard to help the side you claim to support. Go enlist in the Nazi Guard, I'll enlist in the People's Militia. Prove you got some balls and let's meet in Donetsk.
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[GaryL]

I do not think so

[niothor]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Why he stop supporting the rebels? Does your Daddy Putin got afraid?

Nope. He is not afraid. He is just concerned about the reaction from your mommy, Angela Merkel.

Putin has nothing to gain from supporting the rebels. He does not have enough money to pay for the pensions and salaries of the Donbass citizens. How Ironic? Donbass people want o merge with Russia. But Putin will not allow it.

He has already pissed his pants...

He has warned  visa mastercard to pay or get our of russia... nothing happened
He has "forced" Ukraine to pay the entire debt by june 1st  , it's june 15 , and they asked only for an advance payment and they are thinking of cutting the price to where it was previously..

It's all empty words , and westerners know that , that's why they don't take him seriously

And don't forget , while we have this open discussion on a free forum , in your beloved russia this might not be possible anymore:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117771/putins-internet-crackdown-russias-first-blogger-reacts

[beetcoin]

russia can't compete in a war of attrition.. they don't have the resources for that. i do give them credit  for having the balls to try and start shit with the U.S. and europe though. they are honey badgers.

[LAstar]

What is your opinion? Things are getting more and more nervous there. 

My opinion that everything will be fine. Some people will die, some people will get hurt because of new UA government but eveybody will calm down and everything will be fine

[deisik]

Nope. Putin has refused to support the rebels, and they have lost major cities such as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, as well as the port city of Mariupol recently. They won't able to hold one for too long. However, it seems very likely that a few thousand more will die there.

Major cities are Donetsk and Lugansk, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are just "outposts". And even they are not "lost", don't know what you actually meant by this word...