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June 17, 2014, 10:50:55 AM Last edit: November 06, 2014, 11:52:52 AM by flix |
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=============ACTIVIDADES VIERNES-SÁBADO #ELDÍA BTC ============= ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-mad.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-xpa1%2Fv%2Ft1.0-9%2F1966888_10152350172780848_4656523061580807148_n.jpg%3Foh%3D94234f4532bcb5d2c17f0629a3dcdb89%26oe%3D54CE7CAB&t=665&c=NBRKWp9an2op-w) =============== COMERCIOS PARTICIPANTES ============= 1. Do Eat (María de Molina 18 - esq Serrano) http://doeat.es/ @DO_EAT 2. Agatha Ruiz de la Prada (Serrano 27) http://www.agatharuizdelaprada.com/ @agathardlp 3. Dr Emilio Santos - (Calle Goya 7 esq Serrano) http://www.emiliosantos.org @emisanle 4. La Castela - (Dr. Castelo 22) http://restaurantelacastela.com @lacastela 5. ABC Serrano - (Serrano 61) http://www.abcserrano.com/ @abcserrano [cajero BTC] 6. THE GEOGRAPHIC CLUB (C/ Alcalá, 141) http://www.thegeographicclub.com/ @GeographicClub 7. Fj-Martin Abogados (c/ Villanueva 16) www.fj-martin.com @FJMartinlawyers 8. Cafetería Villalar (c/ Villalar 4) http://www.cafevillalar.com/9. Muñoz Gonzalez Arquitectos (Diego de Leon esq Serrano)) http://anamunozgonzalez.es/ 10. Abanlex – Derecho Tecnológico (Velázquez 109) http://www.abanlex.com/ @Abanlex 11. Check-in Madrid (Serrano 85) http://checkinmadrid.es/ 12. OneShot Hotel 04 (Salustiano Olózaga 4) http://www.hoteloneshotrecoletos04.com/ @OneShotHotels 13. Coffee City (Maria de Molina 18) http://www.eltiopalomo.com/ @coffeecity_es 14. OnlyUSA (María de Molina 18) http://onlyusa.es/ @OnlyUSA_market 15. El Callejón de Serrano (Serrano 63) http://www.elcallejondeserrano.com/ @serranocallejon 16. El Cuento Bar (Diego de Leon 7) elcuentobar.es @ElCuentoBar 17. Bucarelli http://www.bucarelli.com/ @bucarelliweb 18. Scotta1985 (Jorge Juan 31) http://www.scotta1985.com/ @scotta1985 19. La Sota (General Oraá) 20. Librería Diagonal (Serrano 80) 21. Ibermaison (Serrano, 98) @Ibermaison 22. Dejate Besar (Hermanos Bécquer, 10) ] @DejateBesarBar 23. New Town Market (Ortega y Gasset 5) @NewTownMarket 24. 25. ------ ¡Toda ayuda es bienvenida! Voluntarios, patrocinadores, información sobre webs de comercios en la calle Serrano, enlaces a sus páginas de fb, twitter, tutoriales en la wiki para aceptar bitcoins en comercios físicos, vídeos... http://coinmap.org/ Antes: y después: REPASO GENERAL# | | BTC | Pegatina | Web | Mapa | Apuntes | Responsable | 1 | @DO_EAT | SI | SI | NO | SI | Coinbase | @smarquezsolis | 2 | @agathardlp | SI | SI | NO | SI | Blockchain | @flix1 | 3 | @emisanle | SI | SI | - | SI | Blockchain | @fbitti | 4 | La Castela | SI | SI | - | SI | Blockchain | @gotoalberto | 5 | @abcserrano | SI | SI | NO | SI | Blockchain | @flix1 | 6 | @GeographicClub | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @_bitcoin_spain | 7 | @FJMartinlawyers | SI | SI | SI | SI | Blockchain | @_bitcoin_spain | 8 | Villalar | SI | SI | - | SI | Blockchain | @_bitcoin_spain | 9 | Muñoz Glz | SI | SI | SI | SI | Blockchain | @fbitti | 10 | @Abanlex | SI | SI | SI | SI | Blockchain | @flix1 | 11 | Check-in | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @flix1 | 12 | @OneShotHotels | SI | - | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @_bitcoin_spain | 13 | @coffeecity_es | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @smarquezsolis | 14 | @OnlyUSA_market | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @smarquezsolis | 15 | @serranocallejon | SI | NO | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @flix1 | 16 | @Bucarelliweb | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @fbitti | 17 | @DejateBesarBar | SI | NO | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @flix1 | 18 | @ElCuentoBar | SI | NO | - | SI | Coinbase | Juan VP | 19 | @scotta1985 | SI | SI | - | SI | Bitpay POS | @flix1 | 20 | @Ibermaison | SI | NO | NO | SI | Blockchain | @ccastroprieto |
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June 17, 2014, 11:22:40 AM |
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-Los patrocinadores proporcionarían incentivos diversos tanto a los comerciantes como a los voluntarios. (Por ejemplo un premio al voluntario que a más comercios consiga).
Yo podría poner algo de pasta.
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June 17, 2014, 12:56:32 PM |
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Premio con 0,10 BTC al voluntario que consiga la primera tienda y demostrable operatividad en BTC pasado un mes ( premio sujeto a cambios en cualquier momento en caso de variaciones bruscas de cotizacion).
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June 17, 2014, 01:20:09 PM |
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Por qué Serrano? Serán todo tiendas muy caras!!!
No en serio, espero que salga algo bueno de aquí, de momento se podría poner do eat y la de las carteras o sólo valen las tiendas nuevas?
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June 17, 2014, 01:25:30 PM |
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Propongo crear una dirección multisig donde enviar las coins que se vayan a destinar a incentivos/premios.
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June 17, 2014, 02:02:18 PM |
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Otra buenísima idea de Flix.
Dependiendo de fechas, me presento como posible patrocinador. Voy siguiendo el hilo y confirmaré en los próximos días/semanas.
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June 17, 2014, 08:18:46 PM |
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Used google translate to read page, and I think you are off to a great start.
For us, this began as a merchant focused event - not necessarily a Bitcoin focused event. With Bitcoin Boulevard US, the interested was driven by Bitcoin's potential to increase margins for small business. The business owners did not know about Bitcoin before, and I did not want to come about sounding like a salesman. But, many of them know me, as I have lived in this community for many years and have personal and professional relationships with these folks already. Moral of that story - start local, hyper local.
Once one business embraced Bitcoin, and had success with it, the others followed. Small businesses have way too much happening in their lives, and really, Bitcoin is not anywhere near on their radar. It was a leap of faith in many respects, but also they began to understand the void Bitcoin aims to fill in modern digital commerce. As we showed with Bitcoin Boulevard US, there is great potential for brand awareness. The Bitcoiners came, because they have an inherent interest in this - they are not the ones that are going to be the hard sell.
Keep your project it in the eyes of the merchant perspective, the business perspective. They probably all have one common pain - credit card processing. Almost anywhere in the world, credit card processing hurts small business. This is your golden ticket. But, Bitcoin is not perfect...
1. Bitcoin is not natively integrated with most POS systems. You will have to help figure out staff logistics for checkout processes, hardware availability, and so on. It sucks to be a restaurant in the heat of dinner, and someone asks to check out with Bitcoin - now your servers have to go to a separate POS system just to accommodate this. Then, how do you tip? These are all solvable, and most likely you will not have huge Bitcoin volume to be an issue. But, there are idiosyncaries to each location you will have to consider.
2. To offer Bitcoin at a retail business, they have to assume the risk on 0 conf transactions because they cannot have thier customers stick around for minutes/hours until confirmations. No payment processor grantees against issues with this, it is a risk the business will have to assume. So far, no problem at all in Cleveland. I see this as far less of a risk than forged credit cards or counterfeit cash.
3. Refunds - do you refund in BTC or in your local currency? How to you calculate the current exchange rate? In our case, items are either sold with no refunds, or refunds are in store credit at the sticker price at time of sale. You do not want to risk customers using your business as a way to play arbitrage games against the bitcoin market.
There are many more considerations. But, I think you are on the right track! Good luck and keep us updated. Use our site and our press as reference to hand our to your merchants. The merchants don't want to hear from Bitcoiners, they want to hear from other merchants.
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June 17, 2014, 08:20:36 PM |
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Also, ensure they understand, from the beginning, that they are not in for a "windfall" from this. However, you will most likely attract a lot of press (especilly local press), brand awareness, and have a lot of fun. It will hopefully tie your community together and be a really exciting endeavor.
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June 17, 2014, 08:29:51 PM |
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Small businesses have way too much happening in their lives, and really, Bitcoin is not anywhere near on their radar. It was a leap of faith in many respects, but also they began to understand the void Bitcoin aims to fill in modern digital commerce. As we showed with Bitcoin Boulevard US, there is great potential for brand awareness. Exactly. Thanks for the great feedback coinneo!
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June 17, 2014, 09:14:43 PM |
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coinneo, only spanish, please. You can use google translate. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Thanks.
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June 17, 2014, 11:21:23 PM |
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Hmm, yo premio con 5 euros al que consiga que la 3a o 4a o 5a tienda siga operando con bitcoin y de pruebas sustanciales de ello pasados 30 días desde el inicio de sus operaciones con Bitcoin. Es decir, tres premios de 5 euros.
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June 18, 2014, 03:30:14 PM |
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VGO: Observé, yo no estaba seguro de cómo trusworthy traductor Google estaría con los transalation de mi puesto. Voy a publicar tanto en Inglés como en español a partir de ahora!
(noted, I just was not sure how trusworthy google translate would be with the transalation of my post. I will post both English and Spanish from now on!)
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June 18, 2014, 03:46:21 PM |
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cómo trusworthy […] how trusworthy
If you're going to g-translate, at the very least type carefully! Si vas a traducir con google, como mínimo teclea bien! Ahora, por favor, volvamos a #callebitcoin.
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June 18, 2014, 06:08:06 PM |
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Hola, Somos http://www.bitnology.es una tienda online de tecnología de reciente creación en la que sólo aceptamos bitcoins como medio de pago, Nos sumamos a esta iniciativa y nos gustaría colaborar como patrocinadores de la misma. Un saludo.
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June 19, 2014, 10:53:39 AM Last edit: June 19, 2014, 04:07:15 PM by flix |
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Parece que no nos van a faltar patrocinadores... hay unos cuantos interesados...
Lo que necesitamos más urgentemente son voluntarios. Con 10 me conformaría...
¿Alguién en Madrid se apunta a recorrerse la calle Serrano conmigo?
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June 19, 2014, 12:29:08 PM |
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El único "problema" con esta iniciativa es que, el modo práctico de hacerlo es haciendo de "gestores" de BitPay o Coinbase.
El comerciante no tiene problema en cobrar con bitcoin o con patatas siempre que en su cuenta ingresen euros y eso, sólo puede hacerlo de modo sencillo alguna de estas empresas.
Ojo!, habrá algún comerciante que "quiera bitcoins" pero, así y todo, más que cobrar directamente -y correr el riesgo de esperar las confirmaciones- preferirá la confirmación "instantánea" que le ofrecen las mismas y recibir los bitcoins en su cuenta.
Ventajas = Se promueve bitcoin en España y eso empuja la comunidad.
Desventaja = Se le está haciendo el caldo gordo -y gratis- a una empresa que, al final, terminará centrando el grueso de las operaciones en bitcoin.
Puestos en hacerle el trabajo a alguno de los agentes de pago... hay al menos un modo de hacerlo con alguna ventaja local ?
Aún si no lo hubiera, en caso que decidan seguir adelante con el proyecto creo que lo más sencillo es ayudar a los comerciantes a abrir sus cuentas en BitPay mientras por otro lado se les avisa que tendrán promoción gratis de la iniciativa (a nivel nacional e internacional).
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June 19, 2014, 04:12:40 PM |
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El único "problema" con esta iniciativa es que, el modo práctico de hacerlo es haciendo de "gestores" de BitPay o Coinbase.
No necesariamente... de hecho en Madrid ya hay comercios que aceptan Bitcoin sin pasar por un procesador de pagos. Pero en cualquier caso cuando en una misma calle haya 20 comercios que aceptan bitcoins.. seguro que será mucho más fácil que sus vecinos también los acepten.
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June 19, 2014, 04:43:50 PM |
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Parece que no nos van a faltar patrocinadores... hay unos cuantos interesados...
Lo que necesitamos más urgentemente son voluntarios. Con 10 me conformaría...
¿Alguién en Madrid se apunta a recorrerse la calle Serrano conmigo?
Hola compañero! Concretamente no soy , ni vivo en Madrid, vivo en Ávila , pero no tendría problema alguno en desplazarme para colaborar y ayudar con el trabajo de campo, ya que en tiempo no supone más que una hora como mucho y de tiempo al menos de momento voy sobrado. Ya me dices. Un saludo!
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