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June 28, 2014, 07:58:53 PM
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This is the worst thing to happen to Bitcoin to be tainted with paypal is beyond a joke. I was hoping paypal never intergrated it.

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June 28, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
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bitcoinmania.eu/paypal-bitcoin-integration-coming-very-soon-says-ebay-ceo-international-business-times-uk.html

No one in their right mind would use BTC to pay for anything on PayPal. The credit card chargeback protection has always been the front lines of consumer protection from seller fraud on PayPal. Buyer wins 99% of the time.

Most likely there's no way to tell how the buyer is paying. However if there was a way to require BTC payment, that would be a game changer for sure. Because PayPal's policy is not to interfere with intangible goods. Buyer is basically out of luck. Scamming will go the other way as sellers receiving PayPal payments will be secure from chargebacks.

Then there's the issue about withdrawls in BTC and having your PayPal account hacked.

Who will receive BTC payments? PayPal or the seller? It will be interesting to see how this will work at the end. Either way there's probably going to be scamming as usual.

I think paypal will act like an escrow service.
Paypal acts like an escrow service now and it almost always rules in favor of the buyer. It would be impossible for paypal to integrate bitcoin into their platform as they will always have the need to reverse transactions after the fact

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June 29, 2014, 12:40:05 AM
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Paypal is a total scam/joke and they are integrating bitcoin only because Bitcoin would put them out of business .. legacy payment systems will soon be obsolete

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June 29, 2014, 04:10:59 AM
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All paypal need to do is give the customer the option on each transaction to make it non-refundable. 

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June 29, 2014, 04:44:18 AM
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Paypal is a total scam/joke and they are integrating bitcoin only because Bitcoin would will put them out of business .. legacy payment systems will soon be are obsolete
Fixed that for you.

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June 29, 2014, 05:02:26 AM
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I had talked about this before and every seller should be able to pay an additional fee of 1% to prevent all unauthorized transactions. This will solve 99% of all chargebacks. PayPal then calls up the buyer and verifies the buyer made the transaction. Seller has absolutely no responsibility for unauthorized transactions. Seller still has to deal with "not sending disputes" and "description not matches."

But the majority of scams are the unauthorized.

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June 29, 2014, 08:58:22 AM
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They somehow have to adopt Bitcoin. I just can't see how integrating it would work in their environment.

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June 29, 2014, 09:08:09 AM
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BTC is a paypal killer.
Don't see how paypal could "integrate" bitcoin into their payment system without adulterating bitcoin.


What we are witnessing are desperate attempts at survival for dying payment legacies - credit cards will be next.
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June 29, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
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One of the things that Paypal prides itself on is giving the buyer peace of mind by actively stepping in to resolve disputes.  In order to do this, or more specifically, to process a charge-back with Bitcon, I might suppose that they could take complete control over the private keys of any of the Bitcoins that are in their system.

By doing this, they can restrict how coins are sent from their system (Or, in other words, bitcoins can't come out of an account, except as specified through their system.  Remember, in this scenario, they have the private keys.  An average user can only do with the Bitcoins what the buttons Paypal gives them will allow).  Next, with that power, they could make it impossible to transfer the Bitcoins to a non-Paypal wallet.  This ensures that someone doesn't withdraw them immediately after receiving a payment in order to dodge the chargeback.  

However, I suppose one still could exchange their Bitcoins for another currency, but then Paypal still holds the Bitcoins.  All they'd need to do is chargeback the other currency from the seller, then return the bitcoins to the buyer.

This is just a hypothesis on my part.  I do not claim it to be what Paypal plans or intends to implement.  It is just a speculation on my part.

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June 29, 2014, 09:43:59 AM
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How will it work with the significant ups and downs of the value of BTC?
If i ordered something on ebay and the price was 1 bitcoin and the value was, lets say 600$, but i decided to pay only a day after or i jast forgot to, and now the value has droped to 580$, will the seller absorb the difference?
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June 29, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
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I would imagine that the purchase on ebay would be made in terms of USD.  At the moment of purchase, the BTC equivalent would be locked in and immediate payment would be required.
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June 29, 2014, 03:37:34 PM
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BTC is a paypal killer.
Don't see how paypal could "integrate" bitcoin into their payment system without adulterating bitcoin.


What we are witnessing are desperate attempts at survival for dying payment legacies - credit cards will be next.

Soon to be: chargebacks with bitcoin credit cards ---___---




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June 29, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
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This can't be bad in my opinion. The more eyes on bitcoin, the better. Especially when large names recognize and accept it.
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June 29, 2014, 04:16:55 PM
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I would imagine that the purchase on ebay would be made in terms of USD.  At the moment of purchase, the BTC equivalent would be locked in and immediate payment would be required.
ebay's policy currently has some leeway in allowing buyers some time in paying for their winning bid as they would not necessarily be at their computer when the auction is over. If ebay were to allow bitcoin payments for auctions then I agree that the auction would likely be priced in dollars, but the btc/usd price would likely be effective when payment is received. It would also be likely that payment would be made to an ebay escrow address and the buyer will need to confirm receipt of the goods prior to the coins being released to the seller

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June 29, 2014, 05:14:07 PM
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Are there any Bitcoin centered auction websites around? I tried Googling that ish, but to no avail.
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June 30, 2014, 02:05:32 AM
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Are there any Bitcoin centered auction websites around? I tried Googling that ish, but to no avail.

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June 30, 2014, 03:07:14 AM
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I had talked about this before and every seller should be able to pay an additional fee of 1% to prevent all unauthorized transactions. This will solve 99% of all chargebacks. PayPal then calls up the buyer and verifies the buyer made the transaction. Seller has absolutely no responsibility for unauthorized transactions. Seller still has to deal with "not sending disputes" and "description not matches."

But the majority of scams are the unauthorized.
I would say that unauthorized scams are that way because it is simply the easiest. It requires the least amount of proof and the least amount of work. If this kind of feature were to be implemented then we would likely see other types of dispute scams.

I would also argue that paypal would likely charge more then 1% for this kind of feature. They would need to keep an audit-able log of each time they talk to someone. I would say that it would take, at minimum 5 mines for the agent to verify that they are in fact speaking to the customer and verify that the customer authorizes the transaction. I think that most paypal transactions are relatively small (<$100) so I don't think that paypal would want to be making this little on something that cannot be done with automation.

Another issue is that I believe that the FCRA (fair credit reporting act) allows people to dispute credit transactions after the fact. If a customer was to successfully dispute a transaction that could not be reversed to the seller then paypal would have to take the loss. 
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June 30, 2014, 06:16:42 PM
Last edit: June 30, 2014, 06:30:06 PM by virtualfaqs
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BTC is a paypal killer.
Don't see how paypal could "integrate" bitcoin into their payment system without adulterating bitcoin.


What we are witnessing are desperate attempts at survival for dying payment legacies - credit cards will be next.

Soon to be: chargebacks with bitcoin credit cards ---___---

Isn't BTC credit card a contradiction? It's a BTC Debit card.

I had talked about this before and every seller should be able to pay an additional fee of 1% to prevent all unauthorized transactions. This will solve 99% of all chargebacks. PayPal then calls up the buyer and verifies the buyer made the transaction. Seller has absolutely no responsibility for unauthorized transactions. Seller still has to deal with "not sending disputes" and "description not matches."

But the majority of scams are the unauthorized.
I would say that unauthorized scams are that way because it is simply the easiest. It requires the least amount of proof and the least amount of work. If this kind of feature were to be implemented then we would likely see other types of dispute scams.

I would also argue that paypal would likely charge more then 1% for this kind of feature. They would need to keep an audit-able log of each time they talk to someone. I would say that it would take, at minimum 5 mines for the agent to verify that they are in fact speaking to the customer and verify that the customer authorizes the transaction. I think that most paypal transactions are relatively small (<$100) so I don't think that paypal would want to be making this little on something that cannot be done with automation.

Another issue is that I believe that the FCRA (fair credit reporting act) allows people to dispute credit transactions after the fact. If a customer was to successfully dispute a transaction that could not be reversed to the seller then paypal would have to take the loss.  

You're right. It would definitely be more than 1%. I'd think of it more like Unauthorized Protection - But like you said other disputes require more work and don't have as high chance of winning. I'd say the system would be better overall.

Whole process can be automated pretty easily.
1. Email verification can be automated. Lots of scammers don't have access to PayPal email.
2. Phone verification. Text to phone. Done.
3. Security questions. The ones you need to pass when signing up for Coinbase. If they fail, seller can make decision whether to proceed.

Coinbase already does all these and I never spoke to Coinbase once on the phone.


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Regarding the whole unauthorized transaction situation, I think it's ridiculous the seller should ever be liable for unauthorized transactions because PayPal has all the information to do this verification not the seller. (Including IP addresses.)

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June 30, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
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I try to avoid Paypal like the black plague but regardless, it Should give the Btc price a boost.

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June 30, 2014, 07:10:27 PM
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They sent me an automated reply just saying my account is closed for good and they held $1,900 of mine for over 6 months (then they did pay me)

But In all the payments I got that week I never had a chargeback, refund request or any problems from the buyers and when my account got locked, I had hundreds of emails of people saying "I am trying to buy but your paypal is locked...are you a scammer?"

Oh that made me so damn mad (at paypal) that I sent them a very bad email and they sent the cops to my house...to make sure I was not on my way to HQ like I said I was. That was years ago and I have moved on from that but that was a million dollar Idea that only crashed because paypal did not want to work with me...while at the same time they let facebook sell poker chips (in the hold poker game) for paypal or any game credits for paypal and thats against the paypal rules too!


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