Survey Says Most Americans Want to Ban Bitcoin: Highlighting Need for Education

[jonald_fyookball]

Your worldview is self-contradictory.

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?   If others are not forced to pay
for it, then that is capitalism.  If others are forced
to pay for it, that implies violence. 

[BitcoinBud44]

Most Americans are not intelligent.  It's the harsh truth.
does that correlate with the fact that most Americans want Bitcoins banished?  It probably does.

[Beliathon]

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?

I know it's hard to fathom in your brainwashed myopia, but for a looooooong time (about 500,000 years, actually), Homo Sapiens supported each other without the need for money. Love and reciprocity were all that were necessary.

Capitalism has existed on this planet for an unbelievably tiny length of time when viewed on an evolutionary timescale.

Read this:



And this:

[bananaControl]

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?

I know it's hard to fathom in your myopia, but for a looooooong time (about 500,000 years, actually), Homo Sapiens supported each other without the need for money. Love and reciprocity were all that were necessary.

Kind of like how it works in the really poor parts of Africa today?

[Beliathon]

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?

I know it's hard to fathom in your myopia, but for a looooooong time (about 500,000 years, actually), Homo Sapiens supported each other without the need for money. Love and reciprocity were all that were necessary.

Kind of like how it works in the really poor parts of Africa today?

Not even close, no. Being poor does not exempt you from the power relations inherent in violence-backed capitalism. Quite the opposite.

[jonald_fyookball]

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?

I know it's hard to fathom in your myopia, but there was a time (about 500,000 years, actually) when Homo Sapiens supported each other without the need for money.

Capitalism has existed on this planet for an unbelievably tiny length of time when viewed on an evolutionary timescale.

You're evading the question.

Someone always "pays" whether
its with money, bartering, or
simple time, effort, and energy.

Not that it matters, since money
isn't devolving back to barter,
in fact its evolving forward into crypto.

Bottom line: either you force individuals into certain
behaviors and supporting others financially (socialism) or you don't (capitalism).

If you're gonna advocate socialism, at least be consistent and admit
there's an element of coercion and force involved to make people
follow the rules.

[bananaControl]

You say food and shelter, etc should be a birthright
but who pays for it?

I know it's hard to fathom in your myopia, but for a looooooong time (about 500,000 years, actually), Homo Sapiens supported each other without the need for money. Love and reciprocity were all that were necessary.

Kind of like how it works in the really poor parts of Africa today?

Not even close, no. Being poor does not exempt you from the power relations inherent in violence-backed capitalism. Quite the opposite.

Our society today is controlled by direct violence or the threat of violence, we agree, right? The societies of primitive primates are also very much controlled by violence. So you are claiming that between those two stages of our evolution, all was just fine and dandy?

Apes are fighting over fruit and even buying sex for it. If you had to pick one point in all time of history to be alive as a human, you couldn't pick a better time than now, or of course maybe the future 

[Beliathon]

The societies of primitive primates [lol redundant much?] are were also very much controlled by violence.

That is a myth, and is wholly untrue. Hobbes was an idiot who totally misunderstood human nature. Read Sex at Dawn.

If you had to pick one point in all time of history to be alive as a human, you couldn't pick a better time than now...

I'm sure the noble families of the feudal age thought the same thing, oblivious to the endless suffering of their peasants. If you're an American or European white person (especially male), you're living in a bubble of privilege. You're clueless to the reality of the lives of most people on Earth.
Life is not so great for the folks who make your clothes in Bangladesh, or the kids who assemble your electronics in Guangzhou, or the wage-slaves who harvest your coffee beans, or the undocumented migrant workers in your own nation. Ask them what they think of capitalism.

Oh wait, you don't care. Far easier to remain blissfully ignorant, apathetic, and tacitly complicit in their suffering, while in utter denial about your own.

[foggyb]

Then by all means please enlighten me with your mental superiority.

Nah, I'll decline. You're too closed minded to engage in a rational argument.

Clearly it sounds like you have a better answer to how we ended up with such a diverse display of life than what can be explained by natural selection. Then let's hear it.

You're almost apologetic for believing in evolution. You should be, its a stupid idea. Doesn't stand up to rational thought, violates physical laws, and is immune to the laws of probability.

[QuestionAuthority]

Survey Says Most Americans Lie On Surveys

[jonald_fyookball]

...evolution. You should be, its a stupid idea. Doesn't stand up to rational thought, violates physical laws, and is immune to the laws of probability.

Evolution sounds pretty rational to me.  How do you think it violates physical laws or probability?
Genetic variance is an observable fact.  Survival of the fittest is quite logical. 

There are fossil records and other empirical evidence.  Evolution is widely accepted as fact in the scientific community.

So if you have some contradictory evidence, please... do share, including the alternative theories. Thx !

[Beliathon]

You're almost apologetic for believing in evolution. You should be, its a stupid idea.

The human eye evolved in an aquatic environment. As such, it is full of fluid and therefore FAR from ideal in non-aquatic environments, such as ours. Evolution is the only explanation that sensibly explains the human eye.

Unless there is a god, but (s)he's retarded. Scary thought.

Getting back on topic, regarding American Education. Here is a great book:

[lihuajkl]

Just means that the propaganda media has done it's job making BTC look like some evil online drug money.  It's an uphill battle to legitimize it, but in time we'll win.  I did find the part about religious people wanting to ban transactions with it interesting.  Brainwashed people tend to believe anything shoved down their throats

This is not so much propaganda as a lot of bitcoin activity does have to do with nefarious activity.

What needs to happen is more business start to accept bitcoin to associate bitcoin with legitimate commerce.

More propagandas are coming with the beginning of Bitpay sponsoring St. Petersburg Bowl, which is first campaign through TV. More people will be aware with the new technology existence of BTC and dig more infomations about it then find what BTC really is. More companies bring convenient service related BTC to the people, such as Bitpay. More merchants will accept BTC payment, such as overstock, Expedia, DISH network.

[lihuajkl]

Survey Says Most Americans Lie On Surveys

what survey said so? Can you provide?

[jc01480]

What is the meaning of life?

[foggyb]

The human eye evolved in an aquatic environment. As such, it is full of fluid and therefore FAR from ideal in non-aquatic environments, such as ours. Evolution is the only explanation that sensibly explains the human eye.

Evolution sounds pretty rational to me.  How do you think it violates physical laws or probability?
Genetic variance is an observable fact.  Survival of the fittest is quite logical.  

There are fossil records and other empirical evidence.  Evolution is widely accepted as fact in the scientific community.

So if you have some contradictory evidence, please... do share, including the alternative theories. Thx !

Paste from elsewhere:

Haemoglobin (the oxygen carrying truck in your blood), is formed from a protein chain 574 amino acids long. Working from an available proteinaceous alphabet of 20 amino acids, what is the chance that haemoglobin occurred by natural selection acting on random variations according to Darwinian evolution? Zero, because natural selection only selects from beneficial precursors, and anything leading up to haemoglobin won’t be haemoglobin until all the bits are in place and the protein folds, locks and launches.

So what are the chances haemoglobin got it right by accident? 1 chance in 10 to the 650th. Out of that staggering number of possible permutations of amino acids, only one is haemoglobin with an error-rate of zero, or you’re dead.


So lets summarize my point: We bitcoiners believe that the chances of a key collision is pretty much zero, with the probability fixed at 2^160. *source

And yet some of the same people accept (or support in ignorance) that a haemoglobin molecule was formed at random, with massively worse odds.

2^160 is a 49 digit number. 10^650 is 651 digits.

And by the way, that’s just haemoglobin! Now you’ve got to account for 33,000 other proteins forming in like fashion, and 2,000-odd enzymes, and then all the fats, vitamins, minerals, hormones and substrates happening by accident for starters.

Needless to say, we haven't even reached a base from which evolution can work yet. We don't have any proteins to form life! No need to even get into the theory of how improbable spontaneous eye formation is. Why go there? Lets start with basic systems first. Like blood circulation. A closed leak-proof blood vessel system complete with a miraculously working pump forming by chance? There's really no debate to be had. Its a fool's game.

[rext]

Survey Says Most Americans Lie On Surveys

lol, now that changes everything

[jonald_fyookball]

Foggy, I think this mostly speaks to how amazing nature is!

[foggyb]

And for those of you who'll chime in with "yes but billions of years".

Remember this number: 10 to the 150th. This number is known as Dembski’s Universal Probability Bound and represents the maximum number of particulate reactions that could have occurred since the start of the universe. Compare that to 10^650 for haemoglobin.

Whoever doesn't get the implications of this, spare me the ignorance and believe what you will. I'm not going to engage in further discussion, its usually pointless anyway.

[jonald_fyookball]

Yes maybe nature is more intelligent than just random permutations