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June 22, 2014, 09:11:46 PM
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The war on drugs killed my daughter

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/22/mother-fights-against-war-on-drugs-anne-marie-cockburn-martha-fernback

<< Martha Fernback, 15. died from taking 91% pure ecstasy. Anne-Marie Cockburn is campaigning for drug legalisation to spare others her ordeal. >>


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June 22, 2014, 09:36:38 PM
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The War on Drugs (and not just in the US, although that is the worst-case example) is a giant joke of the dying beliefs of a conservative society. It is going to end soon, but the thing that upsets me the most is that nobody will go to jail - particularly the private prison industry that makes millions if not billions off this joke of a policy. Just like Chenney, the biggest criminal in the US government is still living lavishly after his role in Iraq.

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June 22, 2014, 10:03:43 PM
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The war on drugs killed my daughter

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/22/mother-fights-against-war-on-drugs-anne-marie-cockburn-martha-fernback

<< Martha Fernback, 15. died from taking 91% pure ecstasy. Anne-Marie Cockburn is campaigning for drug legalisation to spare others her ordeal. >>




So the drug wasn't pure enough at 91%?...
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June 22, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
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June 22, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
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The war on drugs killed my daughter

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/22/mother-fights-against-war-on-drugs-anne-marie-cockburn-martha-fernback

<< Martha Fernback, 15. died from taking 91% pure ecstasy. Anne-Marie Cockburn is campaigning for drug legalisation to spare others her ordeal. >>




So the drug wasn't pure enough at 91%?...

Article didn't really explain, but I think that the purity was high enough that she overdosed. I think the mom feels that if the drug had been legalized, then dosage would be more consistant and her daughter wouldn't have overdosed. I am not into drugs, but if I was, then I would certainly feel safer using a recreational drug that was legally packaged and distributed by a name brand pharmaceutical company.

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June 22, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
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The war on drugs killed my daughter

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/22/mother-fights-against-war-on-drugs-anne-marie-cockburn-martha-fernback

<< Martha Fernback, 15. died from taking 91% pure ecstasy. Anne-Marie Cockburn is campaigning for drug legalisation to spare others her ordeal. >>




So the drug wasn't pure enough at 91%?...

Article didn't really explain, but I think that the purity was high enough that she overdosed. I think the mom feels that if the drug had been legalized, then dosage would be more consistant and her daughter wouldn't have overdosed. I am not into drugs, but if I was, then I would certainly feel safer using a recreational drug that was legally packaged and distributed by a name brand pharmaceutical company.


This is true, but it might also be possible to engineer a test kit which users could buy to test the potency of various drugs.

No doubt they would not buy it, just saying there are other ways...
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June 22, 2014, 11:03:32 PM
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The war on drugs killed my daughter

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/22/mother-fights-against-war-on-drugs-anne-marie-cockburn-martha-fernback

<< Martha Fernback, 15. died from taking 91% pure ecstasy. Anne-Marie Cockburn is campaigning for drug legalisation to spare others her ordeal. >>




So the drug wasn't pure enough at 91%?...

Article didn't really explain, but I think that the purity was high enough that she overdosed. I think the mom feels that if the drug had been legalized, then dosage would be more consistant and her daughter wouldn't have overdosed. I am not into drugs, but if I was, then I would certainly feel safer using a recreational drug that was legally packaged and distributed by a name brand pharmaceutical company.



So. You. Would. Trust. Big Pharma. With your illegal. Drug? Funny, I thought drug dealers were famous for cutting their merchandise with baking powder or something similar. At 91% she got a great deal. Big pharma, more like 2% and 98% sugary stuff... Just my guess.

Sad story none the less. But mom, you can't blame your lack of good parenting on the drug on war if you could not even tell your own daughter was a dope.

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June 22, 2014, 11:55:16 PM
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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

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June 22, 2014, 11:58:16 PM
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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.


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June 23, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

Our forum idiot would disagree with you.  He believes everything does exist, including 91% pure MDMA.

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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

Our forum idiot would disagree with you.  He believes everything does exist, including 91% pure MDMA.

Not on this planet.  Go ahead and prove me wrong, that would be awesome.

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June 23, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
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The War on Drugs (and not just in the US, although that is the worst-case example) is a giant joke of the dying beliefs of a conservative society. It is going to end soon, but the thing that upsets me the most is that nobody will go to jail - particularly the private prison industry that makes millions if not billions off this joke of a policy. Just like Chenney, the biggest criminal in the US government is still living lavishly after his role in Iraq.

This...  our gen is getting into power... the ...I can not form enough words of hate.. that has ruled our countries for years... many many years did not have control of the INFO on the web.. we learned what is really going on..  Soon there will be freedom for the people.

All of these "wars on" are a BS to get certian people money or power. 

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The deeper reason for such tragedies is this: all parents make the assumption that their own children will not die of a drug overdose, that their own children will not be raped, and that their own children -when they are adults- will not have to get by on zero-hours contracts. In other words, parents universally look at the world through rose-tinted glasses, hence collectively too little is done to reduce drug deaths, rape, and zero-hours contracts. Instead of tending to the real problems at their doorsteps, parents are distracted into supporting destructive foreign policies: wars against foreign countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya), free-trade agreements that transfer power to multinational corporates and unelected commissions.

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June 27, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
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Same as the Leah betts issue so many years ago this is just a parent avoiding the issue that their kid made a bad choice and it cost them their life! Sad as it is pointing fingers and claiming the government was responsible for her daughters purchase and use of illegal narcotics is like blaming the government if your kid decides to drive at 120 mph and hits a tree, makes no sense it's just a bad decision! At least she has the profits from her book though.......
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Same as the Leah betts issue so many years ago this is just a parent avoiding the issue that their kid made a bad choice and it cost them their life! Sad as it is pointing fingers and claiming the government was responsible for her daughters purchase and use of illegal narcotics is like blaming the government if your kid decides to drive at 120 mph and hits a tree, makes no sense it's just a bad decision! At least she has the profits from her book though.......

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June 27, 2014, 03:29:00 PM
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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

Our forum idiot would disagree with you.  He believes everything does exist, including 91% pure MDMA.

Not on this planet.  Go ahead and prove me wrong, that would be awesome.

my guess is that pure mdma automatically destabilizes and equilibrates down to 84%. either way, mdma belongs to the set of drugs people take for fun that are actually neurotoxic
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June 27, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
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Same as the Leah betts issue so many years ago this is just a parent avoiding the issue that their kid made a bad choice and it cost them their life!

This is not the same as the Leah Betts case, as she died from water intoxication because she had heard that people had been collapsing on MDMA because they were not drinking enough water. So she drank too much in an effort to do the right thing.

Please note, by the way, the article discusses the purity of the 'Ecstasy' she took, not MDMA. 'Ecstasy' is the street name for a pill which may contain any amount of MDMA, or none at all, along with any other number of substances as filler or 'cut'.

Both of the above girls died of ignorance, not bad choices. They were misinformed and had limited exposure to drug education, as opposed to indoctrination. Particularly the common-use illicit-drug language that implies safety through consensus (everybody does it so it's ok), as in double-dropping, triple-dropping, namely, taking two or three tablets of 'Ecstasy' at a time.

The failed, trillion-dollar, 'War on Drugs' also includes a war on objective information about drugs. Remember kids, just say 'No', because that's all you need to know. Apparently.

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my guess is that pure mdma automatically destabilizes and equilibrates down to 84%. either way, mdma belongs to the set of drugs people take for fun that are actually neurotoxic
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EDIT:
my guess is that pure mdma automatically destabilizes and equilibrates down to 84%. either way, mdma belongs to the set of drugs people take for fun that are actually neurotoxic
Citation please.


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June 27, 2014, 03:43:20 PM
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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

Our forum idiot would disagree with you.  He believes everything does exist, including 91% pure MDMA.

Not on this planet.  Go ahead and prove me wrong, that would be awesome.
If you google it it can really have max purity of 84%  Roll Eyes

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There is no such thing as 91% pure MDMA.  MDMA can only be synthesized to a maximum of 84%.

Our forum idiot would disagree with you.  He believes everything does exist, including 91% pure MDMA.

Not on this planet.  Go ahead and prove me wrong, that would be awesome.
If you google it it can really have max purity of 84%  Roll Eyes

I think Vod is saying what our local forum idiot would say, not him.
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