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August 04, 2014, 03:00:15 PM
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As I said all along, he will not be found guilty.

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/feds-silk-road-investigation-violated-privacy-law-sites-alleged-creator-tells-court/
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August 04, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
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This is highly interesting! But come on, why isn't the market reacting even more positively? Maybe they will soon be trying to track down Draper and force his Bitcoins off of him again, as well Cheesy In order to give them back to their previous owners Cheesy

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August 04, 2014, 03:23:08 PM
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If you notice they only sold 30k btc which is a wise move to diversify that amount of BTC.   Seems pretty bullish while they are holding the rest.
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August 04, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
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If you notice they only sold 30k btc which is a wise move to diversify that amount of BTC.   Seems pretty bullish while they are holding the rest.

Na they are in a lawsuit to get access or to use the rest of Ross and his Bitcoins still.
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August 04, 2014, 10:31:08 PM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.
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August 05, 2014, 02:20:01 AM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

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August 05, 2014, 06:28:57 AM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
If the charges do not stick, I think it will be because the government is not willing to share how the found the servers overseas, or because they used illegal means to find the servers. This very well could be a case that tests the NSA's data collection methods in the supreme court.
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August 05, 2014, 10:54:39 AM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
If the charges do not stick, I think it will be because the government is not willing to share how the found the servers overseas, or because they used illegal means to find the servers. This very well could be a case that tests the NSA's data collection methods in the supreme court.

It will be an interesting court case regardless, in a sense the result of this case will impact a lot more than the result of a drug raid but venture into data collection and privacy rights, which could be used in further cases against other individuals in unrelated cases.
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August 06, 2014, 03:16:10 AM
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... How about you reread your own argument backwards and realise that it may lead to a different conclusion.


Most arguments are simply word-salad uninterpretable when you read them backwards.  I think you've got to read them forwards and then evaluate in that direction.  Smiley
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August 06, 2014, 06:02:04 PM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

Even if the government did something illegal, will the judge really let Ross walk free?

If he is allowed to walk free, that will set an example to all the illegal and drug lord out there not to fear the government.
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August 06, 2014, 06:07:52 PM
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Even if the government did something illegal, will the judge really let Ross walk free?

If he is allowed to walk free, that will set an example to all the illegal and drug lord out there not to fear the government.

They would have to because the evidence couldn't be used against him if it was obtained illegally and you cannot convict a man without any evidence, he is innocent until proven guilty and you can't prove him guilty with illegally obtained evidence.

Drug dealers wouldn't not fear the government. The FBI would simply do everything by the book next time they catch someone doing similar.

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August 06, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

Even if the government did something illegal, will the judge really let Ross walk free?

If he is allowed to walk free, that will set an example to all the illegal and drug lord out there not to fear the government.

He was simply 'lucky' this time I guess. They wouldn't go to unreasonable length to convict him. I bet the evidence was already quite a stretch and they knew it. They risked it and it didn't work, it wasn't recognized. That's the way it works.

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August 06, 2014, 06:21:56 PM
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I don't think privacy defense going to work well in his case.

Even if it doesn't stick its highly likely that because of this the prosecutors will have to share the big secret - how they got access to the Silk Road servers.
 
They've been keeping that a BIG secret up to now. It's possible they did something illegal to gain access and if they did it's a high possibility the case will be dismissed due to the "fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine": http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

Even if the government did something illegal, will the judge really let Ross walk free?

If he is allowed to walk free, that will set an example to all the illegal and drug lord out there not to fear the government.

He was simply 'lucky' this time I guess. They wouldn't go to unreasonable length to convict him. I bet the evidence was already quite a stretch and they knew it. They risked it and it didn't work, it wasn't recognized. That's the way it works.

Oh he hasn't won the battle yet! Just to note: he has only made an argument. He is still in jail and still being charged, nothing has changed yet, we have to wait to see what the FBI's repsonse to this will be.

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