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Or just look at the block chain if something will be done with the blocks.
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I'm pretty sure ineededausername has code that can
1. Put together a list of mtgox addresses. 2. See if any of the block mined by MM have gone to any of those addresses.
If these coins are going into gox, they are also going out.
I have a feeling that our MM is NOT cashing out his coins though.
Maybe someone can put together a list of 1 tx blocks mined by our new buddy?
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March 20, 2012, 01:06:32 PM |
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I agree with you here, so we can ask MtGox: are those blocks being cashed out or not?
Without asking for name, surname, address and so on. What makes you think you have the right to ANY transaction information on any customer? I don't have any right, maybe we, as the bitcoin comunity community, have some more rights. I don't know, we are here because we all like to know what's going on. It seems to me that asking if some blocks have been cashed out is not asking for some personal info. spiccioli
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I agree with you here, so we can ask MtGox: are those blocks being cashed out or not?
Without asking for name, surname, address and so on. What makes you think you have the right to ANY transaction information on any customer? I don't have any right, maybe we, as the bitcoin comunity community, have some more rights. I don't know, we are here because we all like to know what's going on. It seems to me that asking if some blocks have been cashed out is not asking for some personal info. spiccioli How is it not personal information to know what he is doing with his money/bitcoins? He's broken no laws (at least none I'm concerned with) and has just as much expectation to privacy as much as anyone else. I can understand wondering, but going so far as to think you deserve to know?
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March 20, 2012, 01:27:39 PM |
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How is it not personal information to know what he is doing with his money/bitcoins? He's broken no laws (at least none I'm concerned with) and has just as much expectation to privacy as much as anyone else. I can understand wondering, but going so far as to think you deserve to know?
Hijacking others' hardware and stealing their electricity is fine for you? And doing that in order to steal boatloads of blocks from legit miners? The guy is a fucking criminal that should be lynched a.s.a.p.
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I have not been here long but I have been a computer tech for over 15 years. I am currently mining with about 8gh/s and would like to keep expanding. My concerns with this situation might mean very little to some but i thinks most honest miners would feel the same way. This person is more than likely to have infected more computers then I can imagine. I have cleaned computers infected to the point they are almost useless. Yes I know that these infected probably don't effect the performance like a regular virus.Still the fact that innocent people are being subjected to theft and paying for this asshole to profit is a disgrace to BTC in my opinion. Do we really want BTC associated with this criminal activity?Stealing CPU and GPU cycles and having thousands of innocent people foot the bill is just plan wrong. I don't think BTC would ever be accepted on a larger scale with a big portion on the so called security being done by the world biggest stolen bot net. I do have a problem with this and would like to know how other true miners feel and not speculators.I don't know the laws in any place but USA but this is criminal here in the states.
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March 20, 2012, 01:29:37 PM |
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It seems to me that asking if some blocks have been cashed out is not asking for some personal info.
If you aren't able to follow the blocks yourself using the blockchain/blockexplorer/ABE, etc, then you shouldn't even be posting. You are asking for information that mtgox may have, but disclosing it is in violation of their privacy policy and privacy requirements of pretty much any jurisdiction. Therefore, even if they had info they sure as hell are not going to tell you anything without a court order. And have fun getting a court order with ~no evidence of wrongdoing.
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March 20, 2012, 01:32:16 PM |
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How is it not personal information to know what he is doing with his money/bitcoins? He's broken no laws (at least none I'm concerned with) and has just as much expectation to privacy as much as anyone else. I can understand wondering, but going so far as to think you deserve to know?
Hijacking others' hardware and stealing their electricity is fine for you? And doing that in order to steal boatloads of blocks from legit miners? The guy is a fucking criminal that should be lynched a.s.a.p. We have NO evidence that any botnet is operating, and most certainly no evidence that would be admissible in a court of law.
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How is it not personal information to know what he is doing with his money/bitcoins? He's broken no laws (at least none I'm concerned with) and has just as much expectation to privacy as much as anyone else. I can understand wondering, but going so far as to think you deserve to know?
Hijacking others' hardware and stealing their electricity is fine for you? And doing that in order to steal boatloads of blocks from legit miners? The guy is a fucking criminal that should be lynched a.s.a.p. So having a large hashrate is a crime now? Last I heard people are innocent until proven guilty, finding out if he is breaking the law is someone else's job, and finding out the details of their finances is for them to do. That said, sure he's probably running a botnet, so send a letter about it to the appropriate legal agency if you want to do something about it. Doesn't mean you can violate his privacy.
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March 20, 2012, 01:38:02 PM Last edit: March 20, 2012, 01:52:45 PM by conspirosphere.tk |
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We have NO evidence that any botnet is operating, and most certainly no evidence that would be admissible in a court of law.
No, apart a confession on the bitminter irc channel and some other thingies. edit: anyway, I am not so much interested about who the botter is, but in how to prevent similar endeavors, which are to go VIRAL in any sense, and soon, unless someone find a fix.
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March 20, 2012, 01:38:05 PM |
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How is it not personal information to know what he is doing with his money/bitcoins? He's broken no laws (at least none I'm concerned with) and has just as much expectation to privacy as much as anyone else. I can understand wondering, but going so far as to think you deserve to know?
Hijacking others' hardware and stealing their electricity is fine for you? And doing that in order to steal boatloads of blocks from legit miners? The guy is a fucking criminal that should be lynched a.s.a.p. First of all he likely is using a botnet but there is no proof of that. He could be for example testing a massive ASIC cluster. Second he hasn't been given any due process. Are you really advocating lynching based on suspicion? Still even if he IS a CONFIRMED CRIMINAL and he has had his day in court Mt.Gox STILL has no right to just hand out personal information. Period. If the Police want the information they will provide a warrant. If some nervous nellies on the internet want it well they can pack sand.
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March 20, 2012, 01:52:53 PM |
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Also, to repeat my earlier question, could there be any significance to the out-of-order timestamps in blocks 171759 and 171760 other than indicating that the empty-block miner's nodes don't have synchronized clocks?
If it were an ordinary pool, it would indicate that there were too pools. Why? Is there any reason pool members should be expected to have well-synchronized clocks? Pool members just hash the data. The timestamp comes from the pool operator's software, not the members.
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March 20, 2012, 01:56:22 PM |
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I agree that Mt.Gox should not give out any info. I also think that no type of police or law enforcement should be involved with BTC ever.This is probably the biggest community of educated computer people in the world and we need to provide security for own interest and not invite government in our circle. Do you really think they are smarter than all the educated minds we have here?
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March 20, 2012, 01:57:41 PM |
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Also, to repeat my earlier question, could there be any significance to the out-of-order timestamps in blocks 171759 and 171760 other than indicating that the empty-block miner's nodes don't have synchronized clocks?
If it were an ordinary pool, it would indicate that there were too pools. Why? Is there any reason pool members should be expected to have well-synchronized clocks? Pool members just hash the data. The timestamp comes from the pool operator's software, not the members. It is possible big pools run on multiple servers that aren't exactly sync to the same time.
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March 20, 2012, 02:03:59 PM |
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Last I heard people are innocent until proven guilty,
+1 No, apart a confession on the bitminter irc channel and some other thingies.
What if I told you that that "confession" was me, exercising my right to free speech? I could lie if I want to, I'm not under oath. Anyone could have shown up and said all kinds of shit. As for the hardware manifest, well it might surprise you but I have access to things like that. Kind of normal in most large enterprises to keep a list of your hardware.
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March 20, 2012, 02:15:00 PM |
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OK. Now anyone can think about how to avoid that the BTC network get plagued by swarms of botnets any time from now? Then we should rename "proofs of work" in "proofs of crimes". Funny way to back an e-currency.
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Someone interested the taking the time to draft a letter to report abuse? We can all copy it and send it in to them reporting that one of their users (or employees) is using their resources to abuse the Bitcoin network?
Wait. What's the abuse and why would the ISP police that?
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