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July 07, 2014, 05:02:47 PM |
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It's bullshit. You know, and we know, that if he "pushed" anything to the congress they'd fold their arms across their collective chests and say Nope. Not gonna do it.
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zolace
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July 07, 2014, 05:06:53 PM |
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Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it..... |
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sana8410
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July 07, 2014, 05:08:17 PM |
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Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Their behavior is outrageous - and totally Un-American. They just shit on the very fabric of what America is made of. |
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July 07, 2014, 05:08:27 PM |
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Despite all the funds used with high walls, etc. We still have no border control lol.
Such a waste of money.
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Rigon
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July 07, 2014, 05:19:12 PM |
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Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it..... Now you're channeling. "you want, you believe, you think, you are".Gearing up for another ridiculous marathon where you wind up screaming about dogshit? |
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July 07, 2014, 05:23:56 PM |
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"Because freedom and liberty" .That's a good enough reason to close the border for me.My freedom and liberties are being seriously encroached upon while Washington plays ping pong.
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zolace
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July 07, 2014, 05:28:38 PM |
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Right now we've got a bunch of Cliven Bundy wannabes forcing buses loaded with immigrants..women and children and teens - on their way to detention in California from Texas forcing them off the road to turn around. It would not surprise me if we see gunplay on the freeway. Because freedom and liberty.
Well heck. We already have more illegals than everyone else and since you want them here, you keep them. With all your empathy and money should take a few dozen right into your home. Do it..... Now you're channeling. "you want, you believe, you think, you are".Gearing up for another ridiculous marathon where you wind up screaming about dogshit? No, I'm serious. Why don't you take some? You have the money and the time and you're a nurse. Please explain why, if you don't want these kids deported, you aren't willing to take any. |
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July 07, 2014, 05:30:57 PM |
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
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July 07, 2014, 05:35:25 PM |
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids? |
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July 07, 2014, 05:38:19 PM |
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids? Better idea; why don't you take a hike. I have a feeling the pres is going to start moving money around for the border problem, with or without the consent of the do nothing Congress. The pen and the phone. And then the howling is going to get deafening. He's out there saying ok, you asked for it; sue me! |
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zolace
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July 07, 2014, 06:02:34 PM |
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids? Better idea; why don't you take a hike. I have a feeling the pres is going to start moving money around for the border problem, with or without the consent of the do nothing Congress. The pen and the phone. And then the howling is going to get deafening. He's out there saying ok, you asked for it; sue me! You wish. But I made my point...this is just another mess made by the Dear Leader for which you don't think he or you bears any responsibility. But just a reminder for you....most do: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/063014-706916-americans-blame-obama-on-immigration-irs-iraq-ibdtipp-poll.htm#ixzz36HVIJAKmMoving it around to do what? Specifically. |
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July 07, 2014, 06:05:07 PM |
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I have never said I do not want illegals deported . I have said it is a complicated issue with variables. Made more complicated with our byzantine immigration laws (domestic and international) and policies that Rs don't want to fix or even address, but do want to continue to bitch about (Obama's fault!). Now I realize that variables is something you don't do, or can't (you're a champ with the snide non sequiturs though) ....that is not my problem.
Well, being as how it is so complicated and all...and being as how you think the folks who don't want them in California are assholes...and being as how you want to blame it all on the Rs....why don't you explain to me why one of the variables that you do can't be you taking in some of the kids? Better idea; why don't you take a hike. I have a feeling the pres is going to start moving money around for the border problem, with or without the consent of the do nothing Congress. The pen and the phone. And then the howling is going to get deafening. He's out there saying ok, you asked for it; sue me! You wish. But I made my point...this is just another mess made by the Dear Leader for which you don't think he or you bears any responsibility. But just a reminder for you....most do: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/063014-706916-americans-blame-obama-on-immigration-irs-iraq-ibdtipp-poll.htm#ixzz36HVIJAKmMoving it around to do what? Specifically. What part of the news do you ignore. Most apparently. It was the tea party that stopped immigration reform and we would have fences and more border patrol. So you all can blame the republicans. |
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July 07, 2014, 06:11:13 PM |
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It would be wrong beyond belief to make these kids scapegoats for their country's own problems, or the hateful racist pieces of shit that inhabit the GOP, especially down in the south. I'm sure anjy is correct that the right would be ALL for sending these kids back--but only because child labor laws prevent their corporate masters from putting them to work immediately in the fields. Sure, the GOP wants these kids to go back--there's no profit in them.
These kids are here. They should stay here. If they're kids they can be molded and made into productive citizens. Personally, I have no problem accepting any kids into this country--they don't even have be white Europeans as some in the south believe are the only human beings fit for immigration. Black, brown, red, yellow, I'm fine with ALL kids. And I am happy to see my taxes go up a tad to support them. Parents can buy their daughters a few less Barbie dolls--the prospect of what these kids face if returned being in my mind a bit less pressing than buying little missy a new Barbie. I realize that some parents think that without that Barbie, little missy will turn into a psycho, but if they're concerned about that, taking a look at their own parenting practices would probably do more than shelling out bucks for one more consumer product.
Wanna close the border? Fine. I have no problem with that. Obviously we've got a nightmare with immigration, which will be settled when the rightwingers stop running their mouths, and start holding corporations responsible for breaking the law. We're ALL in favor of getting the matter settled.
But these kids are here now, and I haven't the slightest interest in sending them back to their countries like little fucking pingpong balls to satisfy the disgusting freak southern GOPhers.
It's really that simple. Taking out your immigration--brown skin--problems on kids is really fucking dragging the bottom of honor and decency, and anyone who would suggest the same is worth shit in my book.
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July 07, 2014, 06:21:00 PM |
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It would be wrong beyond belief to make these kids scapegoats for their country's own problems, or the hateful racist pieces of shit that inhabit the GOP, especially down in the south. I'm sure anjy is correct that the right would be ALL for sending these kids back--but only because child labor laws prevent their corporate masters from putting them to work immediately in the fields. Sure, the GOP wants these kids to go back--there's no profit in them.
These kids are here. They should stay here. If they're kids they can be molded and made into productive citizens. Personally, I have no problem accepting any kids into this country--they don't even have be white Europeans as some in the south believe are the only human beings fit for immigration. Black, brown, red, yellow, I'm fine with ALL kids. And I am happy to see my taxes go up a tad to support them. Parents can buy their daughters a few less Barbie dolls--the prospect of what these kids face if returned being in my mind a bit less pressing than buying little missy a new Barbie. I realize that some parents think that without that Barbie, little missy will turn into a psycho, but if they're concerned about that, taking a look at their own parenting practices would probably do more than shelling out bucks for one more consumer product.
Wanna close the border? Fine. I have no problem with that. Obviously we've got a nightmare with immigration, which will be settled when the rightwingers stop running their mouths, and start holding corporations responsible for breaking the law. We're ALL in favor of getting the matter settled.
But these kids are here now, and I haven't the slightest interest in sending them back to their countries like little fucking pingpong balls to satisfy the disgusting freak southern GOPhers.
It's really that simple. Taking out your immigration--brown skin--problems on kids is really fucking dragging the bottom of honor and decency, and anyone who would suggest the same is worth shit in my book.
Uh,.....you mean like the President? On June 30th, President Obama asked Congress for "emergency supplemental appropriations legislation" to deal with and deport child migrants. (As reported by the New York Times earlier, the total request is expected to be about $2 billion.) Additionally, Obama asked Congress to make changes to the law to give the Department of Homeland Security "additional authority to exercise discretion in processing the return and removal of unaccompanied minor children from non-contiguous countries." |
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July 08, 2014, 01:20:11 PM |
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It would be wrong beyond belief to make these kids scapegoats for their country's own problems, or the hateful racist pieces of shit that inhabit the GOP, especially down in the south. I'm sure anjy is correct that the right would be ALL for sending these kids back--but only because child labor laws prevent their corporate masters from putting them to work immediately in the fields. Sure, the GOP wants these kids to go back--there's no profit in them.
These kids are here. They should stay here. If they're kids they can be molded and made into productive citizens. Personally, I have no problem accepting any kids into this country--they don't even have be white Europeans as some in the south believe are the only human beings fit for immigration. Black, brown, red, yellow, I'm fine with ALL kids. And I am happy to see my taxes go up a tad to support them. Parents can buy their daughters a few less Barbie dolls--the prospect of what these kids face if returned being in my mind a bit less pressing than buying little missy a new Barbie. I realize that some parents think that without that Barbie, little missy will turn into a psycho, but if they're concerned about that, taking a look at their own parenting practices would probably do more than shelling out bucks for one more consumer product.
Wanna close the border? Fine. I have no problem with that. Obviously we've got a nightmare with immigration, which will be settled when the rightwingers stop running their mouths, and start holding corporations responsible for breaking the law. We're ALL in favor of getting the matter settled.
But these kids are here now, and I haven't the slightest interest in sending them back to their countries like little fucking pingpong balls to satisfy the disgusting freak southern GOPhers.
It's really that simple. Taking out your immigration--brown skin--problems on kids is really fucking dragging the bottom of honor and decency, and anyone who would suggest the same is worth shit in my book.
Uh,.....you mean like the President? On June 30th, President Obama asked Congress for "emergency supplemental appropriations legislation" to deal with and deport child migrants. (As reported by the New York Times earlier, the total request is expected to be about $2 billion.) Additionally, Obama asked Congress to make changes to the law to give the Department of Homeland Security "additional authority to exercise discretion in processing the return and removal of unaccompanied minor children from non-contiguous countries." Honestly, what do I care what Obama thinks? Did you mistake me for a supporter of his? I support issues: not people. I don't care what he says, this contemptible treatment of kids is inexcusable. If he didn't want to allow them in, then he shouldn't have, should have told the countries doing it that the planes would be escorted back to their airport by the USAF. But now that he let them in, they're here, and it would be the height of Republicanness to take out our issues with immigration on kids whose only crime lies in being born. When's the last time, I made obeisance at Obama's altar? |
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July 08, 2014, 01:23:47 PM |
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well novi and zolace agree, novi finds an issue he disagrees with Obama on, and zolace disagrees with Obama no matter what he says or does, See novi no need to explain to him or any phoneycons how you view the president, it's a waste of typing time .
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July 08, 2014, 01:24:02 PM |
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The only concession I would make is this: as far as I'm concerned, any parent that put their child on a plane forfeited his/her rights as parents, so I wouldn't have the slightest issue declaring this a humanitarian crisis, to which the normal rules of immigration do not apply, including those allowing family members to join them later on. Then I'd let each kid decide for himself after 3 years (or right now if they wish) to return to his own country.
I'm sure I'll lose on this issue, because who the fuck cares about a bunch of kids who never did anything wrong. Much better for the rightwing wing sick southerners to bleat bleat bleat about how we have to toss them all up.
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July 08, 2014, 01:36:04 PM |
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well novi and zolace agree, novi finds an issue he disagrees with Obama on, and zolace disagrees with Obama no matter what he says or does, See novi no need to explain to him or any phoneycons how you view the president, it's a waste of typing time .
Speaking of a waste of typing. Don't you have an Obama poster on the ceiling over your bed to stare at dreamily, sana? Don't let me keep you. |
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July 08, 2014, 01:41:31 PM |
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well novi and zolace agree, novi finds an issue he disagrees with Obama on, and zolace disagrees with Obama no matter what he says or does, See novi no need to explain to him or any phoneycons how you view the president, it's a waste of typing time .
Speaking of a waste of typing. Don't you have an Obama poster on the ceiling over your bed to stare at dreamily, sana? Don't let me keep you. no, but I'm thinking of getting one because I think he's the greatest president ever ........  |
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July 08, 2014, 01:46:46 PM |
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My response is far more directed at the tone and tenor of the sick southern rightwingers on this board,zolace. But the fact is that George W couldn't get immigration reform past Republicans in Congress--honest to god how do you expect Obama to do so?
FIRST the border? That's bullshit. It's just a tactic to stall serious addressing of the internal issues of immigration, first and foremost of which is your beloved corporate profits being so dependent on those immigrants.
Trying to blame the ills of immigration on Obama when even the Smirking Chimp couldn't make the GOP see reason is really falling short of the mark.
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