Don't Mess with Messiahs

[umair127]

First here is a piece that chops up Obama's broken record narcissistic whining titled "Don't Mess with Messiahs",  and boy is it ever true....here: 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381596/dont-mess-messiahs-victor-davis-hanson

Obama also seems oddly to forget that when he promised to use his pen and phone to run things by his lonesome, nearly everyone took him at his word. And so he tried just that. What Obama is now angry about is not partisanship per se, but that his own partisanship and subversion of settled law have been repudiated consistently by both the Supreme Court and the American public. Were Obama’s poll ratings at 60 percent, and were the Supreme Court upholding his pen-and-phone governance, and were the Democrats on the verge of winning back their long-lost supermajority in the Senate and taking back the House, then Obama would hardly be decrying partisanship, the media, the Tea Party, or Republicans in general. “Messing” with Obama means not being convinced that his record has helped America.

So his blubbering in the Rose Garden this time was over no comprehensive immigration reform bill from the House which is a big "no duh" since the GOP can read polls:
http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=790456
The public wants real border security, which of course Obama has been claiming all this time the GOP has been demogoguing for no good reason except they hate brown people, as that blather is now blowing up in his face.  The fact of the matter is that if the House passed the Senate bill, it would do exactly nothing to fix this problem (shades of Obamacare passed to cover 30 million uninsured only to result in spending trillions to still leave 30 million uninsured).   

   

The real reason Obama is sitting with this time bomb in his lap is because of a law, sponsored by none other than Dem Feinstein, which is making it virtually impossible to process these kids in a timely manner....read herehttp://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-has-wrong-prescription-for-border-crisis/article/2550349.   One very easy step, which would likely pass with little resistance on the part of the GOP, would be to amend it to streamline sending these kids back.
What is needed is a change in the law to allow the government to treat children from Central America the same as children from Mexico. "We ought to have the same protocols that we have for Mexico and Canada for the Central American countries," said Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar last week. "Forty-eight hours — we should return them."
That sounds hopeful, although the wording is vague and Obama's intention unclear. But it raises the hope that president might actually help Congress find a solution — if he can take time away from scheming to run around the very lawmakers he needs to fix the problem.


The problem for Obama, as always, is that he has key $upporter$ who want these illegals to come...and stay.

[sana8410]

More like the problem with government. You really think anyone in the government is interested in more than paying lip service to this?

and, why on earth would they be?

[zolace]

I think both parties are playing kabuki theater with immigration.  Not only do they both have their $special intere$t$, but the electorate is all over the map. 
I think though, when most people see a literal flood of kids coming over like this, it becomes a whole 'nother thing.  We are talking about an invasion of our borders with kids as pawns.  It is just unacceptable and political it is going to be far more damning for Obama/Dems because they have been blowing so much smoke about border security and because we just can't handle this crisis on top of so many others.

[noviapriani]

I thought the border was the most secure it's ever been under O Joke, who takes credit for it.  Isn't that what socialists tell us?

[sana8410]

Maybe the right can tack this to their 'end the war in Iraq' platform? I'm sure Romney promising to end the war and close the border will be so much more convincing than Hillary promising to end the war and close the border.

[zolace]

Maybe the right can tack this to their 'end the war in Iraq' platform? I'm sure Romney promising to end the war and close the border will be so much more convincing than Hillary promising to end the war and close the border.

Yeah, I get all that.  But in the present, there are real kids being dumped here, not to mention real diseases and riff raff slipping in behind them. 

Someone in DC has to be grown up leader for once, which the Prez could actually try and perhaps have something other than a list of disasters  on his record.  He could start by getting off the golf course and actually working with Boehner and Reid to amend this bill now.  That much at least could be done. 

Enough with him whining and casting insults on minions he expects to deliver his druthers up to him on a silver platter.    He is an incompetent pompous ass who will do nothing to solve the problems he creates. 

[sana8410]

Maybe the right can tack this to their 'end the war in Iraq' platform? I'm sure Romney promising to end the war and close the border will be so much more convincing than Hillary promising to end the war and close the border.

Yeah, I get all that.  But in the present, there are real kids being dumped here, not to mention real diseases and riff raff slipping in behind them. 

Someone in DC has to be grown up leader for once, which the Prez could actually try and perhaps have something other than a list of disasters  on his record.  He could start by getting off the golf course and actually working with Boehner and Reid to amend this bill now.  That much at least could be done. 

Enough with him whining and casting insults on minions he expects to deliver his druthers up to him on a silver platter.    He is an incompetent pompous ass who will do nothing to solve the problems he creates. 

Politicians provide political solutions, which in this case amounts to more bullshit piled on top of the last pile of bullshit we bought. The border needs to be militarized and closed. Period. There isn't a politician on earth with the nads, and we can continue to watch as we become part of the third world. 

[Rigon]

Maybe the right can tack this to their 'end the war in Iraq' platform? I'm sure Romney promising to end the war and close the border will be so much more convincing than Hillary promising to end the war and close the border.

Yeah, I get all that.  But in the present, there are real kids being dumped here, not to mention real diseases and riff raff slipping in behind them. 

Someone in DC has to be grown up leader for once, which the Prez could actually try and perhaps have something other than a list of disasters  on his record.  He could start by getting off the golf course and actually working with Boehner and Reid to amend this bill now.  That much at least could be done. 

Enough with him whining and casting insults on minions he expects to deliver his druthers up to him on a silver platter.    He is an incompetent pompous ass who will do nothing to solve the problems he creates. 

Politicians provide political solutions, which in this case amounts to more bullshit piled on top of the last pile of bullshit we bought. The border needs to be militarized and closed. Period. There isn't a politician on earth with the nads, and we can continue to watch as we become part of the third world. 

Not necessarily true.  It's being done successfully in AZ:

While the federal government may have people worried that there is almost nothing that can be done to stop the flow of illegal-immigrant children crossing the border, newly released figures from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency seem to suggest otherwise. The more than 52,000 kids who illegally crossed America’s southwestern border in Fiscal Year 2014 through June 15 represent a 99 percent increase over the number of unaccompanied alien children crossing during the same period last year, and the Rio Grande Valley sector alone has seen an increase of nearly 180 percent.

But the Tucson, Ariz., sector has seen 4 percent fewer kids illegally crossing this fiscal year compared with last. That might be because Tucson has more Border Patrol agents working in its sector than any other sector on the southern border, leading the next closest station by more than 1,000 agents. (The staffing comparison is as of FY 2013, but according to the Tucson Sector’s website, there are currently even more agents, 4,200 in total, working on the sector.)

And Tucson’s drop is startling when considering the record high number of children crossing from Central America. The number of illegal-immigrant children from Honduras who have entered the country thus far in Fiscal Year 2014 includes 2,324 more kids than came during the previous five fiscal years combined. In those five fiscal years, Honduras produced an average of approximately 2,541 illegal-immigrant children per year, and fewer than 1,000 kids came to the U.S. during two of those years; more than 15,000 have arrived this year.

While the number of illegal-immigrant children crossing in the Tucson sector has dropped, the federal government has decided to ship illegal-immigrant children there anyway. The feds transported nearly 1,000 illegal-immigrant kids to Tucson and Phoenix during the first week of June alone, according to CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/arizona-dhs-undocumented-children-moved/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381557/theres-no-illegal-immigrant-surge-best-staffed-sector-southern-border-ryan-lovelace

[noviapriani]

Which of you  can claim one single person who does NOT think that the flood of illegal immigrants, refugees, whatever label you want to give them, pouring across the border is NOT a problem?   That's the accusation, either said or implied, that I keep reading here. 

The president sure as hell knows it's a problem....he has deported more than any previous modern president, including George W. Bush ...est. nearly 2 million.  He HAS "tightened security"...again, beyond anything any previous president did.    The sitting on their thumbs Congress sure as hell knows it's a problem.  They just won't do anything except squirm on their thumbs and blame it on the president.

Enough with the Dream Act blaming.  It was a common sense, compassionate, humane solution to path to citizenship for those under-30s who have been here since childhood and know nothing else except for all intents they ARE Americans.  That it started a false rumor mill in Central America is no one's fault except the rumor-spreaders.   

The president is doing all he can within the constraints of the executive.  HE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE MONEY to "militarize the border" by phone or pen, HE CAN'T PASS THE LAWS - some of these are international law -  HE CAN ONLY FOLLOW THEM, AND HE CAN ONLY SIGN THEM after they are passed by the congress.   Nothing has been passed, and word is nothing will be.   HELLO???

If he takes further exec order action, you'll howl.  If he doesn't, you'll howl.   Either shut the fuck up or get down to the border and start shooting...men, women, teens and kids.    You first.

So sick of this useless carping, just to carp.

[umair127]

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

[sana8410]

Which of you  can claim one single person who does NOT think that the flood of illegal immigrants, refugees, whatever label you want to give them, pouring across the border is NOT a problem?   That's the accusation, either said or implied, that I keep reading here. 

The president sure as hell knows it's a problem....he has deported more than any previous modern president, including George W. Bush ...est. nearly 2 million.  He HAS "tightened security"...again, beyond anything any previous president did.    The sitting on their thumbs Congress sure as hell knows it's a problem.  They just won't do anything except squirm on their thumbs and blame it on the president.

Enough with the Dream Act blaming.  It was a common sense, compassionate, humane solution to path to citizenship for those under-30s who have been here since childhood and know nothing else except for all intents they ARE Americans.  That it started a false rumor mill in Central America is no one's fault except the rumor-spreaders.   

The president is doing all he can within the constraints of the executive.  HE CAN'T ALLOCATE THE MONEY to "militarize the border" by phone or pen, HE CAN'T PASS THE LAWS - some of these are international law -  HE CAN ONLY FOLLOW THEM, AND HE CAN ONLY SIGN THEM after they are passed by the congress.   Nothing has been passed, and word is nothing will be.   HELLO???

If he takes further exec order action, you'll howl.  If he doesn't, you'll howl.   Either shut the fuck up or get down to the border and start shooting...men, women, teens and kids.    You first.

So sick of this useless carping, just to carp.

“Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since [Obama's] first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009,” Brian Bennet wrote. “On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics.”

[Rigon]

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

Who's murdering their own kids? And do you really think kids possess the wherewithal to undertake something as dangerous as immigrating across the third world alone?

[sana8410]

and novi,if you're going to argue that this president is doing more to lock down the border and deport illegals, you need to actually argue with facts and not whine and start making personal insults when your information is contradicted.  

[zolace]

and novi,if you're going to argue that this president is doing more to lock down the border and deport illegals, you need to actually argue with facts and not whine and start making personal insults when your information is contradicted.  

Perhaps if the republican house would do their job and pass the immigration bill we would have the funding for more fences and about double the amount of border patrol.  So to say that it is Obama is a well known lie. The republicans stand in the way of solving any problem and then turn around and try and blame it on Obama.  But even though we know it is bullshit they won't solve any problem as Obama just might get a little credit for it and they will have no liberal getting credit for solving anything. They want the democrats to be like them and stand in the way of solving any problem this country faces.  The only thing they can think about is to reduce taxes on the people that are working hard to destroy the middleclass. Not understanding that they are hurting themselves.

[noviapriani]

The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country

He stated clearly that the priority was going to be deporting those with criminal records, or known to be a threat to public health and safety, anjy.   Also, the ones "caught" would seem to me to be a good place to start, n'est pas?

Where would you have preferred he start?  With the toddlers?

Really, whether political flaks are fudging the numbers with technicalities in order to bump them for public consumption is the kind of thing that conservatives obsess over; not me.   I know as I write this that the president and this administration are sincerely doing all they can, despite these batshit conspiracies you people seem to live to immerse yourselves in.

[noviapriani]

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

Who's murdering their own kids? And do you really think kids possess the wherewithal to undertake something as dangerous as immigrating across the third world alone?

Look at who is bringing them .  This is human traffic, money changing hands, using desperate people as their pawns.   $ From these corrupt government officials to the cartels to the coyotes.  Round and round.

[Rigon]

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

Who's murdering their own kids? And do you really think kids possess the wherewithal to undertake something as dangerous as immigrating across the third world alone?

Look at who is bringing them .  This is human traffic, money changing hands, using desperate people as their pawns.   $ From these corrupt government officials to the cartels to the coyotes.  Round and round.

No I do not think that  3 year old knows why and what they are doing.  But their parents did.  Can you imagine the anguish the parents must feel when the only way for their kids to have a life is to be separated from them.  It must be hell in those countries if a parent would let them come without them.

[sana8410]

The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country

He stated clearly that the priority was going to be deporting those with criminal records, or known to be a threat to public health and safety, anjy.   Also, the ones "caught" would seem to me to be a good place to start, n'est pas?

Where would you have preferred he start?  With the toddlers?

Really, whether political flaks are fudging the numbers with technicalities in order to bump them for public consumption is the kind of thing that conservatives obsess over; not me.   I know as I write this that the president and this administration are sincerely doing all they can, despite these batshit conspiracies you people seem to live to immerse yourselves in.

Well that's all well and good, unless of course you're going to go around touting those inflated numbers to make your case.  You can't argue that he's deported more than any other president, then get upset when it's pointed out that this isn't the case, and then say that it isn't for you to worry about if the numbers are inflated.  lol.  Well I mean you can, but...

[sana8410]

Damn those children, what right do they have to want to live in a country that is not killing them.  OH you righties want this country to be the same as the 3rd world countries these children are coming from. Yep our hate abortion republicans say just send them back to be murdered.

Who's murdering their own kids? And do you really think kids possess the wherewithal to undertake something as dangerous as immigrating across the third world alone?

Look at who is bringing them .  This is human traffic, money changing hands, using desperate people as their pawns.   $ From these corrupt government officials to the cartels to the coyotes.  Round and round.

No I do not think that  3 year old knows why and what they are doing.  But their parents did.  Can you imagine the anguish the parents must feel when the only way for their kids to have a life is to be separated from them.  It must be hell in those countries if a parent would let them come without them.

It is indeed rough in some of those countries.  My SIL lives in Honduras and takes in some of those children who do not have parents, or who have been abandoned.  These children are coming here, though, because their parents have been given the idea that once they cross, it's a ticket to stay.  And may be right.  That is the problem, and why more keep coming.

[umair127]

The people who count in the “removals” numbers (which is what administration flacks mean when they boast of “deportations”) are legal immigrants who’ve committed crimes or illegal aliens caught inside the country

He stated clearly that the priority was going to be deporting those with criminal records, or known to be a threat to public health and safety, anjy.   Also, the ones "caught" would seem to me to be a good place to start, n'est pas?

Where would you have preferred he start?  With the toddlers?

Really, whether political flaks are fudging the numbers with technicalities in order to bump them for public consumption is the kind of thing that conservatives obsess over; not me.   I know as I write this that the president and this administration are sincerely doing all they can, despite these batshit conspiracies you people seem to live to immerse yourselves in.

Well that's all well and good, unless of course you're going to go around touting those inflated numbers to make your case.  You can't argue that he's deported more than any other president, then get upset when it's pointed out that this isn't the case, and then say that it isn't for you to worry about if the numbers are inflated.  lol.  Well I mean you can, but...

Forget the numbers then.  F... the numbers.   Tell us what you're telling your Republican congressman to do.
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