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July 13, 2014, 11:47:03 PM |
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Can someone offer some context/background for this?
Thanks in advance.
The Bitcoin foundation has gained Pierce and lost Antonopolos. This isn't going in the right direction at all.
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July 14, 2014, 01:19:02 AM |
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In any event, Gavin's criticism was lack of transparency, not that the organization is centralized.
It was Andreas who said that. Gavin apparently disputed his claim. Sorry, I meant to type "Andreas." I'm aware and surprised that Gavin defends the Foundation. |
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July 14, 2014, 02:43:10 AM |
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Small blow I'd say but it will continue, not halt all together.
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July 14, 2014, 02:54:36 AM |
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In any event, Gavin's criticism was lack of transparency, not that the organization is centralized.
It was Andreas who said that. Gavin apparently disputed his claim. Sorry, I meant to type "Andreas." I'm aware and surprised that Gavin defends the Foundation. You're surprised that a founding permanent member of TBF aggressively defends it. Yeah, funny that! |
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July 14, 2014, 03:36:10 AM |
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In any event, Gavin's criticism was lack of transparency, not that the organization is centralized.
It was Andreas who said that. Gavin apparently disputed his claim. Sorry, I meant to type "Andreas." I'm aware and surprised that Gavin defends the Foundation. I'm not terribly surprised. Seems to me that Gavin believes basically that open source code is good enough and the userbase should be happy to have that. Also, of course, the Bitcoin Foundation pays him although he's stated that he made enough on Bitcoin that he doesn't really need the money. Gavin has and will give a sort of a 'heads up' when he visits the CIA or CFR, but that makes sense since not doing so (and getting caught) would probably go over poorly. It annoyed me significantly that Gavin would not make any efforts to stipulate that 'open' was an important principle in Bitcoin-land and necessary for his participation at the CFR even, document and publish his experiences, and didn't even bother to follow up the CFR thread with an after action report. Had he had no off-the-record conversations with the CFR participants, it would have taken less than a minute to state this. The logical inference is that he probably did have such conversations. On cannot escape feeling as though Gavin feels more of a sense of unity with the CFR parties than with the Bitcoin userbase (where the two sets don't overlap.) |
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July 14, 2014, 06:02:22 AM |
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Olivier Janssens was completely right on looking for alternative to the foundation.
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/Love what they've been doing but I don't think there should be "one" alternative. A centralized institution becomes political and eventually loses its best people. This is exactly whats happening to the BitCoin Foundation. |
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http://nakamotoinstitute.org/Love what they've been doing but I don't think there should be "one" alternative. A centralized institution becomes political and eventually loses its best people. This is exactly whats happening to the BitCoin Foundation. Oliver Janssens was/is looking for a decentralized software solution. He isn't looking for another centralized alternative to the foundation, but rather making it unnecessary. |
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July 14, 2014, 08:29:28 AM |
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Taaki goes on to describe the bitcoin anarchist’s elusive ideal: decentralized, autonomous corporations whose equity is tracked in the bitcoin blockchain rather than in legal contracts and whose funds are held at a bitcoin address controlled in part by every stakeholder. [ ... ] In that future, math and consensus, not violence, might govern the control of resources. The result, as Taaki describes it, would be a new society where code replaces courts and men with guns as the arbiter of civilization. “We have new tools, a new class of mathematical contracts, based on the incorruptible rules of the cosmos,” he says, his voice resonating through the empty building.
I am trying to imagine armed robbers breaking into Taaki's home to steal his car and valuable trinkets, pointing their guns at the blockchain, and leaving frustrated because it won't transfer his property to their address. By the way, wasn't Taaki involved with Intersango? Ha-ha that would be funny, but it really is more like keep Taaki around until he gives up the private key Else bring him with them lol. I didn't know about Intersango before but it looks like he was the founder of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DVOYyx_6UNeat stuff even Doog worked on it from JD (edit in if thats his real pic its far from what I imagined lol) https://github.com/dooglus/intersango |
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July 16, 2014, 03:58:24 AM |
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http://nakamotoinstitute.org/Love what they've been doing but I don't think there should be "one" alternative. A centralized institution becomes political and eventually loses its best people. This is exactly whats happening to the BitCoin Foundation. Oliver Janssens was/is looking for a decentralized software solution. He isn't looking for another centralized alternative to the foundation, but rather making it unnecessary. A Decentralized Autonomous Organization would be the solution. I'm actually quite fascinated by it's implementation in Ethereum, and I'm hoping we could achieve atleast a third of that in the core protocol. |
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July 16, 2014, 05:19:11 PM |
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I think there is a need for the Bitcoin Foundation. That's why I recently joined as a member.
I think it's the right place to pay the coredeveloper(s) by a member-fee.
So the main purpose is get some (more than 1 hopefully soon) fulltime developers working with the code and as project managers.
Besides that there is also a need for marketing, that's not existent at the moment. imho
This could be financed through member-fees too, if there are enough.
Or the foundation could sell high quality promotion items. The ones I found where kinda cheap.
I think we don't want a big "waterhead", but just having nothing would mean to run like a headless chicken.
As a benefit for members they should be able to vote. There should be regular online-votings about unimportant things at first to find out what people expect from the foundation to do.
To have such a process could be vital to a coordinated and directed support reather than just a chaotic ammount of comments in maillists, opinions in boards and github-comments.
it's extacly. Talk about Bitcoin to people who are interested. Write about it on your blog Bitcoin. Tell your favorite stores that you would like to pay using Bitcoin. Help keep the list accurate and actual sellers. Or be creative and make Bitcoin t-shirts for your own good. The easiest way to help is to donate some bitcoin Bitcoin Foundation. Or you can help fund any projects related to Bitcoin that you believe will benefit our future. It's hard to find out who is interested in Bitcoin and who isn't I have struggled with that for a long time. A lot of people I try to talk to about it find it confusing and are not interested and always compare it to illegal activities which is a little unfortunate. exactly once, only in forums like this we can share with them and tell that like bitcoin, and it makes me more enthusiastic and confident. as all here know about bitcoin even for common things |
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July 16, 2014, 05:21:24 PM |
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I would say it was a blow to the foundation, but nothing at all to bitcoin.
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I am starting to wonder why there's a Bitcoin Foundation at all. I haven't heard them doing anything other than participating in drama. I write Bitcoin news regularly and ... the Foundation doesn't appear all that often in my research. Plus, the one time I contacted them I got nothing. I see more Bitcoin advocacy and evangelism from Bitpay and Coinbase.
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July 24, 2014, 01:14:08 AM |
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I am starting to wonder why there's a Bitcoin Foundation at all. I haven't heard them doing anything other than participating in drama. I write Bitcoin news regularly and ... the Foundation doesn't appear all that often in my research. Plus, the one time I contacted them I got nothing. I see more Bitcoin advocacy and evangelism from Bitpay and Coinbase.
it's just a marketing thing. We need someone out there selling Bitcoin to retailers, companies and individuals. It kind of sells itself but having someone there to assure people of any concerns will help grow Bitcoin even faster. One foundation, many associations, thousands of individuals, it all achieves the same thing. |
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July 24, 2014, 01:28:16 AM |
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Go rawdawg!
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July 24, 2014, 05:20:49 AM |
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I am starting to wonder why there's a Bitcoin Foundation at all. I haven't heard them doing anything other than participating in drama. I write Bitcoin news regularly and ... the Foundation doesn't appear all that often in my research. Plus, the one time I contacted them I got nothing. I see more Bitcoin advocacy and evangelism from Bitpay and Coinbase.
They pay Gavin. That's reason enough to exist. |
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