Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[e4xit]

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/aids-researchers-heading-melbourne-believed-dead-mh17

[zolace]

This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy.  But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?

The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels  in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.

[Rigon]

This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy.  But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?

The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels  in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.

It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat.

[TheIrishman]

Malaysia Airlines plane crash: world demands answers from Russia

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[Grinder]

Yes, it is. As Balthazar said, it's several trucks on wheels making up a missile complex:

Of course, if you consider 3 vehicles a "complex". It's hardly NORAD, though. There is bound to be someone among the rebels who's been in the army and knows enough to get it up and running. Unfortunately they don't have the support needed to know if it's friend or foe.

[Nemo1024]

The so-called recording between terrorists, presented earlier by Kiev is a fake, and was recorded the day before the disaster:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=895343350481178

[noviapriani]

This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy.  But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?

The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels  in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.

It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat.

The Russians could actually try to use illegal action by people to whom they are allied as an excuse to attack the nation whom they are fighting against.

[sana8410]

This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy.  But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?

The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels  in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.

It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat.

Ok, this one IS for you, Rigon - what do you think Obama should be doing about the Ukranian/Russian problem?

[Nemo1024]

The Russians could actually try to use illegal action by people to whom they are allied as an excuse to attack the nation whom they are fighting against.

Downing of the plane is not a reason for Russia to retaliate against Ukraine. On the other hand, the continued shelling of Russian territory from Ukrainian positions (the latest happened today) is. And Lavrov has already made it crystal clear that any further provocations will be met with suppressing fire.

On the airliner note, this blog post is a good read, as the author has a good track record of hitting the nail on the head:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/blatant-falseflag-ukraine-missile-targeted-putins-plane-hit-malaysia-mh17-instead/

[zolace]

Just heard on the news that Russians are blaming Ukraine, claiming that it was either a Ukrainian fighter or a Ukrainian SAM.

[bryant.coleman]

Just heard on the news that Russians are blaming Ukraine, claiming that it was either a Ukrainian fighter or a Ukrainian SAM.

Don't know whether we can trust this source or not. Here is the link:

Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed - Moscow

http://rt.com/news/173784-ukraine-plane-malaysian-russia/

As we all know, only two nations have the capability to detect global SAM launches (Russia and the US). Russia has made its claim. Now the US should release its satellite data to counter it.

[Nemo1024]

http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/

Friday, July 18
13:44 GMT:

The OSCE has said 30 of its staff have arrived at the Malaysian Airlines MH17 crash site near Donetsk.

13:12 GMT:

The self-defense forces of Donetsk People's Republic have allowed Ukraine’s investigators to the site of the crashed Malaysia Airlines plane and promised to welcome all experts from international groups.

“We have already allowed four Ukrainian investigators. Also the experts from OSCE [Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe] and other international organizations will take part in the probe,” DPR’s deputy-PM Andrey Purgin told Interfax.

In the meantime, the OSCE observers hope that militia in eastern Ukraine will assist their investigation of the site, an OSCE representative told RIA Novosti.

“The representatives of DPR promised us and guaranteed the assistance in investigating the circumstances of the accident,” he added.

[umair127]

I think if Obama is smart, he won't be pointing too many fingers at the Russians or threatening even more sanctions and if anyone recalls, our own USS Vincent blew an Iranian commercial passenger plane out of the sky and we ended up apologizing profusely about our own mistake claiming the dicey situation in the Persian Gulf contributed to the tragedy. This is not a time for Obama to tweak the Russian nose with sanctimonious condemnations.

[Rigon]

This is the sort of thing than can start a major war.Rebels fighting against Ukraine and supplied by Russia are the suspects. Bodies reported all over the ground for miles. What a tragedy.  But how can Russia afford to arm the rebels when the country is suffering from crushing sanctions?

The Russian rebels deny they are Russian or funded by Russians and yes, this act by rebels could justify Russia invading Ukraine just like rebels  in crimea justified their takeover of crimea and the forced election.

It's also possible that it was an accident. Russian insurgents in Ukraine have been firing anti-aircraft missiles at Ukrainian fighter jets, so who knows. But an airliner looks nothing like a fighter jet or even a bomber.Exactly. I suspect that Russia may use the same excuse. We shall see. After all, Obama is no threat.

Ok, this one IS for you, Rigon - what do you think Obama should be doing about the Ukranian/Russian problem?

I said Obama is no threat. I have no opinion on what he should do now, because he has already lost the respect of the rest of the world. When he kissed Russia's ass with his idiot 'reset', and took away the European missile defense system, he threw away his leverage at the same time. He's your guy, not mine.

[zolace]

And Ukraine blames the Russians.  So?  Let's wait and learn the truth.  And I agree, Obama should remain silent until proof of fault is found.

[efreeti]

In time of war, anything can happen. And penalty will only apply to the losing side.

[Nemo1024]

I said Obama is no threat. I have no opinion on what he should do now, because he has already lost the respect of the rest of the world. When he kissed Russia's ass with his idiot 'reset', and took away the European missile defense system, he threw away his leverage at the same time. He's your guy, not mine.

Last time I checked the "European missile defence" was still expanded by the US, encircling Russia, an bringing the tension to ever higher levels.

[Nemo1024]

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[noviapriani]

This is just a thought I a will admit that their is no evidence of this idea.  But their are a lot of people that want a world war. Perhaps this was done by some idiots that want the war to expand and bring about the rapture faster.

[Nemo1024]

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Listening to the representative from UK made my ears wither. It was all about "Russia at fault" "bad separatists" "they should disarm" "Poroshenko's peace plan", "Russia", "more Russia".


According to the latest news the plane was asked to reduce the altitude by Ukrainian ATC prior to disaster.