Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[Bogleg]

It's sad and disgusting that hardly anyone except Russia and the victims' relatives is still interested to find out the truth about the MH17. This tragedy served its purpose - to demonize Russia and rebels. That's where story ended for western politicians and their miserable medias.

Good observation.

Now that the west has place the blame on Russia, no one seem to care or investigate the validity of the accusation or give the victims families any support.

[Balthazar]

[bill gator]

This flight was traveling along a route it had regularly used on a daily basis in recent weeks. (Flights over conflict zones are actually common. The Federal Aviation Administration banned U.S. carriers from flying over certain areas above Crimea and the Black Sea

[Nemo1024]

This flight was traveling along a route it had regularly used on a daily basis in recent weeks. (Flights over conflict zones are actually common. The Federal Aviation Administration banned U.S. carriers from flying over certain areas above Crimea and the Black Sea

No, it wasn't. Have you been sent in to start altering the reality? The flight was diverted much further north and to a lower altitude by the flight controllers in Dniepropetrovsk, a city under oligarch Kolomoijskij control. Besides, what jurisdiction does FAA have over the non-US flights? Oh, I forgot Ukraine and much of Europe are de-facto occupied by the US...

Also funny how flights over a war zone with partially destroyed civil aviation ground infrastructure is OK, while flight over a peaceful Crimea with a functioning infrastructure is a no-no. 

[niothor]

I understand that they haven;t managed to find the first Malaysia airlines plane but did they managed to find the supposed an-26 that the rebels claimed to have shot down the same day ? =)))))

[manfred]

Anonymous backers offer $30-million reward
http://www.thelocal.de/20140917/german-investigator

[mark coins]

 I honestly don't think we will know who shot the plane down. We can guess and assume but there'll be a fair amount of reasonable doubt. What we have is a bunch of things pointing at Rebels, but no hard proof

[Nemo1024]

I honestly don't think we will know who shot the plane down. We can guess and assume but there'll be a fair amount of reasonable doubt. What we have is a bunch of things pointing at Rebels, but no hard proof

Interesting subversive comment, designed to gently direct the attention in the desired direction. Almost a Jedi mind trick...

What we have so far, is a bunch of thing pointing to the plane being shot by machine gun fire from both sides of the plane, targeting the cockpit, killing the pilots, and ripping the airframe. Whether it was NATO air force or Ukrainian air force that did it is a big question, but one thing is certain, the freedom fighters had neither means, opportunity, nor motive to shoot that plane down (and stop that AN-26 nonsense - the altitudes are incomparable). On the other hand, it is highly visible who gained the most from this false flag.

I find it interesting that these two-name newbie accounts started cropping up now. Something seems not to be going right the the West-field players in the big game...

[niothor]

I honestly don't think we will know who shot the plane down. We can guess and assume but there'll be a fair amount of reasonable doubt. What we have is a bunch of things pointing at Rebels, but no hard proof

Interesting subversive comment, designed to gently direct the attention in the desired direction. Almost a Jedi mind trick...

What we have so far, is a bunch of thing pointing to the plane being shot by machine gun fire from both sides of the plane, targeting the cockpit, killing the pilots, and ripping the airframe. Whether it was NATO air force or Ukrainian air force that did it is a big question, but one thing is certain, the freedom fighters had neither means, opportunity, nor motive to shoot that plane down (and stop that AN-26 nonsense - the altitudes are incomparable). On the other hand, it is highly visible who gained the most from this false flag.

I find it interesting that these two-name newbie accounts started cropping up now. Something seems not to be going right the the West-field players in the big game...

But what about that an-26 that Strelkov  himself posted on his vk account and then deleted ?
UAI???

Besides , there was a plane in the shadows of the Malaysia plane , right? Now we have machine gun fire from the back the front the up the down the 270 degrees up and down a bit to the left? Sounds more like the rebels in the days they refused to hand down the evidence used machine guns to blow holes on the wreckage....
Far more possible...

What about the modified su-25 wiki page to change the altitude that planes can fly?

[Nemo1024]

Sounds more like the rebels in the days they refused to hand down the evidence used machine guns to blow holes on the wreckage....
Far more possible...

That's a lot of 30mm armour-peircing rounds you need to put through that fuselage, observing that the exit holes on the cockpit fragments coincide with strafing scratch marks on the upper sides of the wing fragments, then remove all bullets and casings from the scene, and everything within an hour of arrival of the first OSCE observer, who was in the vicinity of the crash site.

Yeah, entirely possible.

That was most probably not SU-25 anyway. And whoever can modify the Wikipedia for whatever reason. That's for dummies. The technical specs of the plane, is what people should be looking at.

PS:
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925

Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/13-08-2014/128268-boeing_crash_ukraine-0/

[niothor]

Sounds more like the rebels in the days they refused to hand down the evidence used machine guns to blow holes on the wreckage....
Far more possible...

That's a lot of 30mm armour-peircing rounds you need to put through that fuselage, observing that the exit holes on the cockpit fragments coincide with strafing scratch marks on the upper sides of the wing fragments, then remove all bullets and casings from the scene, and everything within an hour of arrival of the first OSCE observer, who was in the vicinity of the crash site.

Yeah, entirely possible.

That was most probably not SU-25 anyway. And whoever can modify the Wikipedia for whatever reason. That's for dummies. The technical specs of the plane, is what people should be looking at.

PS:
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925

Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/13-08-2014/128268-boeing_crash_ukraine-0/

About that romanian expert... He has in charge when the only plane in Romanian after 89' history "crashed" at Balotesti.
The expert hasn't yet revealed his implication in that crash and there are a lot of theories that a lot of persons needed to die on that plane.

Also he is involved in cigarette smuggling on a military airport...who where his partners... you can take a guess since he is spending his time in Russia now.

[Nemo1024]

So you attacked him on a personal level. Now can you address the actual matter at hand? Because what you just wrote does not detract from his analysis of the situation.

[niothor]

So you attacked him on a personal level. Now can you address the actual matter at hand? Because what you just wrote does not detract from his analysis of the situation.

So two polish mig fighters come from Poland and shot down the plane in the rebel territory then vanish?

And the evidence is ... where?

And of course I will attack him , he was deep involved with the national security in the pre 89' era and was twice accused of being a spy for the KGB.
No wonder pravda is publishing his works.

[Schleicher]

Anonymous backers offer $30-million reward
http://www.thelocal.de/20140917/german-investigator

Original source:
http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html

[CripLib]

This flight was traveling along a route it had regularly used on a daily basis in recent weeks. (Flights over conflict zones are actually common. The Federal Aviation Administration banned U.S. carriers from flying over certain areas above Crimea and the Black Sea

I honestly don't think we will know who shot the plane down. We can guess and assume but there'll be a fair amount of reasonable doubt. What we have is a bunch of things pointing at Rebels, but no hard proof

But, remember, we are not allowed to expose the American lies. Just try to, and you will be considered as a mad conspiratorial theorist.

To always accept what CNN and BBC say is our duty of obedient slaves.

The government can kill your families and friends, like it has done in the 9-11. We cannot doubt it was for our own good. The government is the only terrorist allowed. We must accept it.

Just do not question. Accept the stupid things they say, and pretend you have a mental retardation. That's what they want.

Do not fight for freedom. Just pay your taxes and let those corrupt politicians enjoy it.

 

[freedomno1]

I was thinking about reviving this one but not much news
Other than a 25% compensation offer for the lost airplane and the fact that its a quiet issue atm nothing much worth note.

[samaricanin]

Not a big deal shot down Kiev junta, with the help of the United States

[Balthazar]

Not a big deal shot down Kiev junta, with the help of the United States

Their time is running out, rating of the communist party jumped into the sky after failed ban attempt.

http://provokacia.net/uncategory/14_07_29_reyting_kpu_rastet_v_razyi__kisse

Under current conditions they will be able to get more than 50% of seats on the upcoming parliamentary elections even without any election campaign. In case of getting the majority of seats, the junta & president will be forced to leave office or become a puppets of the parliament. But this will be another story...

[Paya]

Families of German victims of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 downed over Ukraine plan to sue the country and its president for manslaughter by negligence in 298 cases, the lawyer representing them said on Sunday: "Each state is responsible for the security of its air space. If it is not able to do so temporarily, it must close its air space. As that did not happen, Ukraine is liable for the damage."

Professor of aviation law Elmar Giemulla plans to hand his case to the European Court of Human Rights in about two weeks, accusing Ukraine and its President Petro Poroshenko of manslaughter by negligence in 298 cases. He would also push for compensation of up to one million euros ($1.3 million) per victim.

(source: Reuters)

[Balthazar]

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/21/ukraine-crisis-mh17-germany-idINKBN0HG09720140921?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

I think that "negligence" is temporary here.