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March 21, 2012, 08:50:48 AM |
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Yeah, I now see Luke's intentions are fine. The solution is now to make a Bitcoin client with TOR built-in.
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Matthew N. Wright
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March 21, 2012, 09:05:01 AM |
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Matthew, you're too good for this. I hate to see you waste your energy on something so minuscule. So what if I am reactionary? Don't you have a girl to fuck and a magazine to print?
Hey, douchebag.https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/966This my friends is what power lust looks like. Mr. Luke Jr. wants your location easily traceable when using Bitcoins. He wants you to fear the powers that be when you deal in Bitcoins. Bitcoin users could then be controlled. Let's keep a watchful eye on people like Mr. Luke and their proposals. With no vigilance, stuff like this could be merged. Yeah, I now see Luke's intentions are fine. The solution is now to make a Bitcoin client with TOR built-in.
If you understand, why do you keep the title and OP the same, unless you're a self-important attention whore who wants desperately to make everyone as involved as possible in his every learning experience? Learn to ask questions next time. Also, FYI: I'm printing the magazine on the back of a girl I'm fucking while typing this. Like a boss. |
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March 21, 2012, 09:15:04 AM |
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Yeah, I now see Luke's intentions are fine. The solution is now to make a Bitcoin client with TOR built-in.
TOR doesn't need to be built-in. use "torify" or whatever. Why would bitcoin tie itself to a single privacy solution that can easily be outsourced? |
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March 21, 2012, 10:10:49 AM |
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I agree with Atlas...
Luke WTF?
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March 21, 2012, 12:28:14 PM |
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No need to overreact. I think most of us know luke has some interesting political views... divine right of kings and such. http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/04/14It's better for Bitcoin in the long run to get used to dealing with this sort of thing, even from within the dev group. |
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March 21, 2012, 12:34:41 PM |
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Seems that you are the troll here, not Luke. I did read the log and there is not a word about "divine right of kings". The only political views luke expresses there are that you should obey the basic taxation laws of the country you live in, those laws are there for a reason. So unless you give some other quotes, (perhaps this was the wrong link?), I call troll alert. |
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March 21, 2012, 12:43:09 PM |
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It's not the wrong link, it's just not a claim that needs to be substantiated. Most of us have had enough discussions with luke to know his views already, eg. http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2011/12/23The link in my previous post was just there to illustrate relevance to the topic at hand. |
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March 21, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
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Since it seems people are getting the wrong impression from this pullreq...
It was proposed by a pool member who noticed the mystery jerk miner (making transactionless blocks) was relaying them through Eligius. This handy-but-simple change enabled me to get the real IP of the actual server making these blocks. The objections given herein by other developers are logical concerns, and I have no qualms with the pullreq being closed unmerged.
I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings. However, I consider this to be fairly off-topic in this forum, so don't intend to get into a discussion about it here.
P.S. The point of pull requests is for others to review them...
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March 21, 2012, 01:59:17 PM |
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Since it seems people are getting the wrong impression from this pullreq...
It was proposed by a pool member who noticed the mystery jerk miner (making transactionless blocks) was relaying them through Eligius. This handy-but-simple change enabled me to get the real IP of the actual server making these blocks. The objections given herein by other developers are logical concerns, and I have no qualms with the pullreq being closed unmerged.
I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings. However, I consider this to be fairly off-topic in this forum, so don't intend to get into a discussion about it here.
P.S. The point of pull requests is for others to review them...
How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous... Burn the bastard! |
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March 21, 2012, 02:13:27 PM |
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I'll refrain from feeding any trolls, but FWIW I do believe everything the Catholic Church teaches, including (the "weaker" form of) the divine right of kings.
Lines like this are why I keep coming back to this forum day after day.  precious... |
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March 21, 2012, 03:23:51 PM |
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How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous... Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin. |
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March 21, 2012, 03:31:29 PM |
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How dares he, the "mystery jerk miner", to mine a pseudo-anonymous currency while wishing to stay anonymous... Maybe if he wanted to be anonymous, he shouldn't have attracted negative attention by trying to harm Bitcoin. Don't you love how ridiculously hypocritical these tards can be sometimes? "We want anonymity! We want freedom! Hey btw, someone stole my coins. FIND HIM!" |
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March 21, 2012, 03:50:43 PM |
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Matthew freedom is scary. The honest reality is most people don't want freedom.
They want "freedom" but some entity (usually the govt) to control "other people".
I want to be free but those gayz can't get married. Stop them govt.
I want to be free but drunk drivers are dangerous so it is ok when the govt violates the Constitution to stop drunk drivers.
I want to be free but sex outside marriage is a sin so lets legislate morality (prostitution laws, etc)
I want to be free but drugs scare me so lets make them illegal.
The sum of all of the govt interference and control is merely the sum of the collective will of the people who want to be free ... BUT we need x. Take 300 million people who all have an X they feel needs control and you get a govt which controls/fights/restricts/legislates 100,000 different Xs
Now along comes Bitcoin which is very difficult for the govt to be "the entity" so the same people who want "freedom" need someone to control it.
Stolen coins = we need a blacklist.
Scammmers = we need to be able to reverse transactions.
Lost coins = we need to be able to replace them.
Miners not including freeloading tx (which protocol doesn't require) = we need a way to track him.
Different day same story.
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March 21, 2012, 03:55:30 PM |
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Miners not including freeloading tx (which protocol doesn't require) = we need a way to track him.
If it were easy for the protocol to require this, it would be included already. Recognizing when someone is gaming the system is not controversial. |
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March 21, 2012, 04:03:36 PM |
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I don't see it as gaming.
The compensation for including transactions isn't worth the cost. Period. Up till now people have "played nice" but any system will be pushed to its limits in the name of efficiency.
Its not gaming it is optimal decision making.
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March 21, 2012, 04:06:14 PM |
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I don't see it as gaming.
The compensation for including transactions isn't worth the cost. Period. Up till now people have "played nice" but any system will be pushed to its limits in the name of efficiency.
Its not gaming it is optimal decision making.
The problem isn't requiring a fee, it's this miner not including any transactions at all period. |
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March 21, 2012, 04:06:39 PM |
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Part of the compensation is the block reward. And if transaction-less blocks become predominant, it may be reduced significantly.
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March 21, 2012, 04:07:34 PM |
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The problem isn't requiring a fee, it's this miner not including any transactions at all period.
The AGGREGATE FEES determines the compensation compensation relative to the potential cost. AGGREGATE FEES are worthless. |
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March 21, 2012, 04:07:53 PM |
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I respond to this thread with a high class bear.  |
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March 21, 2012, 04:10:22 PM |
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^^ The ignore button is highlighted there for a reason...
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