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July 23, 2014, 07:08:34 AM |
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Hi, all we are finishing the PCB design of our 4 chip Spondo RockerBox ASIC based board Here is a small teaser
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loshia
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July 23, 2014, 07:48:29 AM |
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LOL it will be around 800 GH miner Right? I like it I wanna see tplink hashing with 6T+ marto - 8+ boards hooked to it Keep us in the loop 10X
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July 23, 2014, 09:43:07 AM |
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Great news I will be waiting for release date and price
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July 23, 2014, 12:42:00 PM |
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Great news I will be waiting for release date and price This.
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bbxx
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July 23, 2014, 01:00:29 PM |
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why so many power connectors?
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y_boonstra
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July 23, 2014, 01:01:22 PM |
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Nice,
But whats the TDP of the chip and how will you place the heatsink inc. cooler so thight to eachother.? Do the coolers share the same mounting hole in the middle ?
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ZBC3
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July 23, 2014, 01:41:13 PM |
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Damn Marto, do you ever get any sleep?
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Sythyn
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July 23, 2014, 02:11:40 PM |
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Damn Marto, do you ever get any sleep?
Sleep is expensive in bitcoin world..
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marto74 (OP)
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August 07, 2014, 01:58:07 PM |
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marto74 (OP)
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September 18, 2014, 01:36:14 AM |
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First full working hex4RB 4 chip RockerBox based boars 650MHz_333W_480GHS
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September 18, 2014, 01:40:00 AM |
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what prices and when may these become for sale? Looks like a simple and efficient design
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September 18, 2014, 01:42:51 AM |
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cant wait!
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September 18, 2014, 03:04:15 AM |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas.
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marto74 (OP)
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September 18, 2014, 05:19:47 AM |
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after a few hours of sleep It is exactly 330 W @ the wall
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September 18, 2014, 05:55:17 AM |
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How the hell did I miss this? Watching
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September 19, 2014, 07:10:10 AM |
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Will these need extra coolers like the hex4m? if so how many and what socket?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 19, 2014, 07:23:34 AM |
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Will these need extra coolers like the hex4m? if so how many and what socket?
No
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September 19, 2014, 11:22:47 AM |
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First full working hex4RB 4 chip RockerBox based boars 650MHz_333W_480GHS
Nice. Did you write cgminer driver from scratch or did you rewrite miner_gate_arm?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 19, 2014, 11:30:33 AM |
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from scratch
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zvisha
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September 19, 2014, 11:51:03 AM |
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from scratch If you don't mind answering: 1) Is it open source/can I see the code? 2) Do you do dynamic voltage/freq scaling based on wattage/temperature limitations? Then did you notice that the "BIST" in ASIC fails at lower frequencies then real jobs because of power drop at beginning of job - it might get you few more GH. 3) Is the driver inside cgminer completely or is it different process on the system? Thanks.
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marto74 (OP)
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September 19, 2014, 12:10:12 PM |
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from scratch If you don't mind answering: 1) Is it open source/can I see the code? 2) Do you do dynamic voltage/freq scaling based on wattage/temperature limitations? Then did you notice that the "BIST" in ASIC fails at lower frequencies then real jobs because of power drop at beginning of job - it might get you few more GH. 3) Is the driver inside cgminer completely or is it different process on the system? Thanks. Of course it is opensource as by GPL. We are tweekeng it @ the moment the new technobit cgminer patch and TP-link img including Rocker based board will be published here http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=53&controller=product&id_lang=1# next week. 2. No 3. Inside CG miner you just have to patch it You can download our 0.3.9 version and take a look of the patch. Do have in mind that most of the job is done inside our firmware . You can always drop me a PM with specific questions and I'll answer you Martin
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September 19, 2014, 12:24:57 PM |
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what prices and when may these become for sale? Looks like a simple and efficient design What is the power usage? 333 Watt?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 19, 2014, 01:17:40 PM |
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yes 333 W " on the wall", i.e. including cooler and PSU loses.
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September 19, 2014, 01:58:23 PM |
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yes 333 W " on the wall", i.e. including cooler and PSU loses.
Wow, 0.69 W/Gh. That's very nice. Count me interested
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ZiG
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September 19, 2014, 03:28:33 PM |
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after a few hours of sleep It is exactly 330 W @ the wall Bravo, Marto... You a 'da" MAN... ZiG
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September 19, 2014, 09:22:24 PM |
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any info about potential delivery times? It would be a great platform for liquid-cooled house heater ...
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September 19, 2014, 09:37:43 PM |
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I agree it is time for more refinement in those areas to both help power consumption and heat dissipation. The odd board arrangements hinder that. why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas.
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September 19, 2014, 11:55:17 PM |
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Will these need extra coolers like the hex4m? if so how many and what socket?
No No need for big heatsink on top side This is great
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MasterRadix
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September 20, 2014, 12:32:23 PM |
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Please make them less ugly than your A1 miner
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September 21, 2014, 05:57:42 AM |
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Please make them less ugly than your A1 miner I love ugly miner. Never had problem with airport customs.
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marto74 (OP)
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September 21, 2014, 07:58:34 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint you Zich, this time it will be in a box most probably
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September 22, 2014, 01:36:35 AM |
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Taugeran
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September 22, 2014, 01:43:04 AM |
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bga chips like that toss heat out the top (like a cpu)
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marto74 (OP)
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September 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM Last edit: September 22, 2014, 02:52:09 PM by marto74 |
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Update 770Ghs in turbo mode with proper cooling
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MasterRadix
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September 22, 2014, 03:15:39 PM |
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Any info about the release date?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 22, 2014, 03:57:13 PM |
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ZBC3
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September 22, 2014, 08:31:02 PM |
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In comparison to the Hex16e4s, are these units larger or smaller?
Have you had any issues like you had with the HEX4M's or HEX4E's?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 22, 2014, 08:53:38 PM |
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In comparison to the Hex16e4s, are these units larger or smaller?
Have you had any issues like you had with the HEX4M's or HEX4E's?
longer but thinner and shorter. this prototype is 130x130x300 (including fans) The issue with hex4m and hex16e was the batch of microchip PIC controllers.
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ZBC3
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September 22, 2014, 09:40:06 PM |
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Awesome, as always, Martin is kicking ass and taking names in the bitcoin miner manufacturing game!
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September 23, 2014, 05:28:30 AM |
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What is the power usage "at the wall" for turbo mode?
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September 23, 2014, 08:47:07 PM |
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Can I ask how many flashing LEDs it has? Need LEDs because they create extra hash
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marto74 (OP)
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September 25, 2014, 04:28:05 AM |
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http://technobit.eu/0_4_0.rar* 0.4.0 * Known Issues reported by users: 1. dhcp client my brick your router - do not use it 2. Openwrt failsafe mode is not working 3. Startup scripts are messed up during upgrade. Fix them via web or check and execute /usr/bin/fix_rc. Minimum is (s)cgminer and udev (Hotplug) to be enabled during startup * cgminer for hex BTC Miners - patch to cgminer 4.6.1 rev_9afd0a216a0f95adb650e4818f24af1a61ad837d.patch * cgminer for hex Scrypt Miners - patch to cgminer 4.6.1 srev_9afd0a216a0f95adb650e4818f24af1a61ad837d.patch * cgminer - HEXR driver production release * Compile Rocker HEXR ./autogen.sh ..... --enable-hexminerr * Rocker (HEXR) new cgminer config options --hexminerr-asic-diff use at least 16 here and meake sure your pool worker min difficulty is configured accourdingly in order not to loose hash rate --hexminerr-pic-roll - Default: 60 or 90. MicroChip PIC work internal roll count - Reduces dramatically USB load - range 0-255. Please use at least 10 or 20 here --hexminerr-chip-mask - 255 enable all chips --hexminerr-voltage - core voltage Default: 690 --hexminerr-options chip_count:frequency Default: 4:650 * openwrt - New HEXR web config tabs to reflect above * openwrt updated to 42657 Todo * Fix dhcp,failsafe and startup scripts when time alows * Fix bugs HEXR (Spondoolies-Tech Rocker ASICs) in preparation for board launch - done
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September 25, 2014, 08:27:41 AM |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas. 350watt on a "high end" air cooler is going to result in bad temperatures. With a price of a high end air cooler it would be easier to buy one of those corsair aio water cooling units and have better performance for a price in the same ballpark.
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September 25, 2014, 09:28:26 AM |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas. 350watt on a "high end" air cooler is going to result in bad temperatures. With a price of a high end air cooler it would be easier to buy one of those corsair aio water cooling units and have better performance for a price in the same ballpark. High end air with a sensible fan = will do that fine while being smaller, lighter and cheaper. Either way it doesn't matter because I don't think its what we're getting.
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September 25, 2014, 10:38:53 AM |
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How loud of the fan? In your webshop, you combine 2 miners into 1 units. Not sure about fan sound when run in turbo mode. I want to run it on an office or living room, do you have info on this?
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marto74 (OP)
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September 25, 2014, 10:41:51 AM |
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How loud of the fan? In your webshop, you combine 2 miners into 1 units. Not sure about fan sound when run in turbo mode. I want to run it on an office or living room, do you have info on this?
on the power distribution board you have an option to attach fans to 5V when underclocked
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September 25, 2014, 10:53:50 AM |
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nice porn there..
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ZiG
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September 25, 2014, 06:15:05 PM |
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nice porn there..
Better of anything else...
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September 26, 2014, 06:16:22 AM |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas. 350watt on a "high end" air cooler is going to result in bad temperatures. With a price of a high end air cooler it would be easier to buy one of those corsair aio water cooling units and have better performance for a price in the same ballpark. High end air with a sensible fan = will do that fine while being smaller, lighter and cheaper. Either way it doesn't matter because I don't think its what we're getting. I'm not sure what high end cooler you are referring to. For $80-100 a H series Corsair AIO will dissipate more heat regardless. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103189&cm_re=cooler_master_v8-_-35-103-189-_-ProductI am assuming this is what you consider a high end air cooler, if that is the case then yes the Corsair units would be better all around. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181031&cm_re=corsair_h80-_-35-181-031-_-ProductThat cooler master will be a huge awkward sized cooler where the corsair will be a small block with a radiator where you can position to your convenience...
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September 26, 2014, 06:33:39 AM |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas. 350watt on a "high end" air cooler is going to result in bad temperatures. With a price of a high end air cooler it would be easier to buy one of those corsair aio water cooling units and have better performance for a price in the same ballpark. High end air with a sensible fan = will do that fine while being smaller, lighter and cheaper. Either way it doesn't matter because I don't think its what we're getting. I'm not sure what high end cooler you are referring to. For $80-100 a H series Corsair AIO will dissipate more heat regardless. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103189&cm_re=cooler_master_v8-_-35-103-189-_-ProductI am assuming this is what you consider a high end air cooler, if that is the case then yes the Corsair units would be better all around. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181031&cm_re=corsair_h80-_-35-181-031-_-ProductThat cooler master will be a huge awkward sized cooler where the corsair will be a small block with a radiator where you can position to your convenience... ... no, just no....
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September 26, 2014, 09:15:55 AM Last edit: September 26, 2014, 09:32:38 AM by BitcoinRuinedMyLife |
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why so many power connectors?
Why not, its just a test board and there's plenty of board space. For the retail boards you just don't dont drop PCI-E connectors through and leave them as empty connections. I personally would have preferred the chips to be centralised and squashed together more so we could have used standardised PC heatsinks cooling all 4 chips. 350W can be done with one higher end air heatsink or basic 120mm watercooling. I think its time we moved away from these strange aluminium blocks with obscene fans to make up for the low surface areas. 350watt on a "high end" air cooler is going to result in bad temperatures. With a price of a high end air cooler it would be easier to buy one of those corsair aio water cooling units and have better performance for a price in the same ballpark. High end air with a sensible fan = will do that fine while being smaller, lighter and cheaper. Either way it doesn't matter because I don't think its what we're getting. I'm not sure what high end cooler you are referring to. For $80-100 a H series Corsair AIO will dissipate more heat regardless. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103189&cm_re=cooler_master_v8-_-35-103-189-_-ProductI am assuming this is what you consider a high end air cooler, if that is the case then yes the Corsair units would be better all around. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181031&cm_re=corsair_h80-_-35-181-031-_-ProductThat cooler master will be a huge awkward sized cooler where the corsair will be a small block with a radiator where you can position to your convenience... ... no, just no.... Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
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September 26, 2014, 12:55:44 PM |
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pics pics pics
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September 26, 2014, 03:04:27 PM |
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Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
I just need to quote this to show you don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth arguing with.
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September 26, 2014, 10:16:45 PM |
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Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
I just need to quote this to show you don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth arguing with. I can't help but laugh and want to humor this guy with a pic of my air cooled habanero running at slightly better than baby jet speeds ~435 Ghs
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September 26, 2014, 11:40:02 PM |
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If you got solidworks/inventor you could run analyst on cooling systems and identify flow and trap locations and adapt to low power solutions to dissipate heat.
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marto74 (OP)
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September 27, 2014, 03:46:03 AM Last edit: September 27, 2014, 04:54:25 AM by marto74 |
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If you got solidworks/inventor you could run analyst on cooling systems and identify flow and trap locations and adapt to low power solutions to dissipate heat.
+1 I was using Solidworks since 2001 and it is a great tool . Anyway do have in mind that in real life , cooling is always different.
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September 27, 2014, 07:10:06 AM |
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This looks very interesting I am current looking for new mining gear... Watching this thread
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September 27, 2014, 12:50:57 PM Last edit: September 27, 2014, 01:20:19 PM by BitcoinRuinedMyLife |
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Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
I just need to quote this to show you don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth arguing with. Get off your high horse. Hard to argue something you can't prove. You took the time to write horse manure instead of list a name of a product, so the only waste of time here is you. Dodge more when someone questions your opinion because you can't provide facts to prove it. You are claiming a "high end" air cooler can dissipate 350watts of heat. Do you have a name for one? Sorry you don't. The high end air coolers you mention cost the same as closed loop coolers. The closed loop coolers dissipate more watts of heat than the air coolers. When it comes to surface area, air and water, ambient temperature water flowing through a radiator with fans blowing through the radiator fins will dissipate more than the same surface area of heatsink with just air blowing on the fins. Again, feel free to prove yourself, because it would of took less words to type the model of this "high end air cooler". You could have saved everyone the time and just listed the name of this unicorn air cooler.
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September 27, 2014, 01:48:32 PM |
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Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
I just need to quote this to show you don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth arguing with. Get off your high horse. Hard to argue something you can't prove. You took the time to write horse manure instead of list a name of a product, so the only waste of time here is you. Dodge more when someone questions your opinion because you can't provide facts to prove it. You are claiming a "high end" air cooler can dissipate 350watts of heat. Do you have a name for one? Sorry you don't. The high end air coolers you mention cost the same as closed loop coolers. The closed loop coolers dissipate more watts of heat than the air coolers. When it comes to surface area, air and water, ambient temperature water flowing through a radiator with fans blowing through the radiator fins will dissipate more than the same surface area of heatsink with just air blowing on the fins. Again, feel free to prove yourself, because it would of took less words to type the model of this "high end air cooler". You could have saved everyone the time and just listed the name of this unicorn air cooler. 250W TDP at 26dB (huge, using 2 120mm fans) http://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/482350W TDP http://www.techpowerup.com/141811/zalman-announces-cnps11x-extreme-cpu-cooler.htmlIMO the only fan/heatsink coolers that can handle such wattage are massive monstrosities that almost certainly cannot be shipped mounted or they will snap the PCB/mounts, and would require a big open case to offer the airflow. Closed-loop liquid cooling seems like the obvious winner
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Technobit Up to 10 week delays in shipment of some customers Minion Group Buy Units. The hurt / delays continue for some customers of Technobit who have paid substantial amounts for miners over 10 weeks ago. I agree with scrappy here, Batch 1 should of been sent out by now. reading the thread its totally unprofessional sending out small orders first. i see some people waiting 10 weeks now for there order to be shipped out and nothing. Seems people with large orders are getting shafted.
I think compensation is due MARTO!!!!
People have been patient with you since you had a problem with the boards, but this now seems to be resolved. So what exactly is going on??
i do not what to take legal action as BFL are facing and now KNC miner, marto. You really havent provided any updates to people with large orders on the forum at all.
Please provide a clear update on what is going on and when everyone's orders are going to be fulfilled and compensation package. with have been patient, but you have taken are patience for granted now.
There is seriously something wrong with this thread. Folks Martin has yet to deliver batch one yet we have 3 confirmed cases of him shipping batch 2. He says "small orders" Fuck that shit. Mine may have been large and paid in fiat. I have as of to date received 6 of 50, and Marto has promised 6 shipping dates and only sent once!
Guys, enough of the bullshit.
I paid in fiat for a flat conversion, have been lied to about shipping, and seen batch 2 orders go out before mine. Check the thread, I was in page 2 and traded in 2 x3's and paid in fiat. I know I am not alone here as I have spoke to many of you in pm's. Enough with the BS, bring it.
scrappy do, dam so shipments are just trickling out. i would of thought at least batch 1 would of been completed by now
I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th. Marto any news when batch 2 will be shipped, its been over a month now since you received my chips. ive emailed you on your site, 2 weeks ago and no reply. would like to know whats happening with those. you going to be offering any compensation for late deliveries now. awaiting 25 boards and counting No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us.
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+1 I was using Solidworks since 2001 and it is a great tool . Anyway do have in mind that in real life , cooling is always different.
Solidworks stays pretty up to date in latest Thermal Dynamics. The biggest thing to over come is your fans because not every fan you buy has the same parameters. I think though if you did a liquid cooling system analyst would be extremely easy and operating cost slashed although hardware cost would go up but that is the trade off.
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Your post regarding an air cooler dissipating 350watt is nonsense. Dual 120mm radiators with decent fans of 1500-1800rpm would dissipate up to 300w. I am not sure where you're pulling your magical unicorn numbers from. Feel free to post a air cooler that can dissipate 350watts, make sure it doesn't have 5000rpm fans attached to it.
I just need to quote this to show you don't know what you're talking about and you're not worth arguing with. Get off your high horse. Hard to argue something you can't prove. You took the time to write horse manure instead of list a name of a product, so the only waste of time here is you. Dodge more when someone questions your opinion because you can't provide facts to prove it. You are claiming a "high end" air cooler can dissipate 350watts of heat. Do you have a name for one? Sorry you don't. The high end air coolers you mention cost the same as closed loop coolers. The closed loop coolers dissipate more watts of heat than the air coolers. When it comes to surface area, air and water, ambient temperature water flowing through a radiator with fans blowing through the radiator fins will dissipate more than the same surface area of heatsink with just air blowing on the fins. Again, feel free to prove yourself, because it would of took less words to type the model of this "high end air cooler". You could have saved everyone the time and just listed the name of this unicorn air cooler. 250W TDP at 26dB (huge, using 2 120mm fans) http://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/482350W TDP http://www.techpowerup.com/141811/zalman-announces-cnps11x-extreme-cpu-cooler.htmlIMO the only fan/heatsink coolers that can handle such wattage are massive monstrosities that almost certainly cannot be shipped mounted or they will snap the PCB/mounts, and would require a big open case to offer the airflow. Closed-loop liquid cooling seems like the obvious winner No point, the dogie guy will dodge this scenario as he insulted me while being delusional and pretending that I was incompetent for pointing out his failure. Don't forget those are manufactured specs. An example is gigabytes windforce cooler which they claim can dissipate up to 600watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=706302.msg8868719#msg8868719He mentioned high end air cooler or basic 120mm watercooler. I pointed out a dual 120mm closed loop cooler could do up to 300w but would love to see his unicorn air cooler.. Somehow he thinks quoting me as If I can't read and chose to not post this unicorn cooler and insult me instead, of course because we all know typing 3 words is easier than 30
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No point, the dogie guy will dodge this scenario as he insulted me while being delusional and pretending that I was incompetent for pointing out his failure. Don't forget those are manufactured specs. An example is gigabytes windforce cooler which they claim can dissipate up to 600watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=706302.msg8868719#msg8868719He mentioned high end air cooler or basic 120mm watercooler. I pointed out a dual 120mm closed loop cooler could do up to 300w but would love to see his unicorn air cooler.. Somehow he thinks quoting me as If I can't read and chose to not post this unicorn cooler and insult me instead, of course because we all know typing 3 words is easier than 30 I don't think dogie is totally wrong, you *can* find air cooling that handles 350W but as I showed above its often large, top-heavy monstrosities that cost as much as a liquid-cooling solution. That windforce one you mentioned is for GPU so doesnt make much sense in this regard. IMO, dogie is 90% right - cluster the chips and place mounting holes for common CPU heatsinks. Let the buyer go and get a decent liquid-cooling system from thier local market and most of those can easily take 300-400W TDP for a fair price and small footprint. Additionally, they can be salvaged and used on other equipment in 12 months from now when the HEX4RB is no longer profitable. (or if the HEX4RB underclocks to ~200W TDP in 6mos from now it can be swapped for a more tame air cooler)
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No point, the dogie guy will dodge this scenario as he insulted me while being delusional and pretending that I was incompetent for pointing out his failure. Don't forget those are manufactured specs. An example is gigabytes windforce cooler which they claim can dissipate up to 600watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=706302.msg8868719#msg8868719He mentioned high end air cooler or basic 120mm watercooler. I pointed out a dual 120mm closed loop cooler could do up to 300w but would love to see his unicorn air cooler.. Somehow he thinks quoting me as If I can't read and chose to not post this unicorn cooler and insult me instead, of course because we all know typing 3 words is easier than 30 Coolers don't have a single parameter that defines how much power they can dissipate. I could dissipate 1000W from a stock Intel CPU cooler with a little airflow, depending on parameters. Most mining ASICs are designed to run pretty hot and acoustics are much less important than they are in a desktop computer. I can't speak from experience with the RB chips in particular, but with a flip chip package it's absolutely possible to dissipate 300W of heat using a relatively inexpensive air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo and a high flow fan. I'd agree about using water cooling though; it does make things easier and isn't much more expensive in low volumes if you keep your eyes open. I just bought six H80i's from Newegg for CDN$284 (about US$255), and you can dissipate 550-600W at the chip (~800W at the wall) if using a high flow fan while keeping die temps at or under 100C.
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October 02, 2014, 01:51:30 AM Last edit: October 02, 2014, 02:01:58 AM by BitcoinRuinedMyLife |
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No point, the dogie guy will dodge this scenario as he insulted me while being delusional and pretending that I was incompetent for pointing out his failure. Don't forget those are manufactured specs. An example is gigabytes windforce cooler which they claim can dissipate up to 600watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=706302.msg8868719#msg8868719He mentioned high end air cooler or basic 120mm watercooler. I pointed out a dual 120mm closed loop cooler could do up to 300w but would love to see his unicorn air cooler.. Somehow he thinks quoting me as If I can't read and chose to not post this unicorn cooler and insult me instead, of course because we all know typing 3 words is easier than 30 I don't think dogie is totally wrong, you *can* find air cooling that handles 350W but as I showed above its often large, top-heavy monstrosities that cost as much as a liquid-cooling solution. That windforce one you mentioned is for GPU so doesnt make much sense in this regard. IMO, dogie is 90% right - cluster the chips and place mounting holes for common CPU heatsinks. Let the buyer go and get a decent liquid-cooling system from thier local market and most of those can easily take 300-400W TDP for a fair price and small footprint. Additionally, they can be salvaged and used on other equipment in 12 months from now when the HEX4RB is no longer profitable. (or if the HEX4RB underclocks to ~200W TDP in 6mos from now it can be swapped for a more tame air cooler) I mentioned a GPU cooler to point out the principle that because a manufacturer lists a spec. Just like when you read the CFM and static pressure of fans. No point, the dogie guy will dodge this scenario as he insulted me while being delusional and pretending that I was incompetent for pointing out his failure. Don't forget those are manufactured specs. An example is gigabytes windforce cooler which they claim can dissipate up to 600watts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=706302.msg8868719#msg8868719He mentioned high end air cooler or basic 120mm watercooler. I pointed out a dual 120mm closed loop cooler could do up to 300w but would love to see his unicorn air cooler.. Somehow he thinks quoting me as If I can't read and chose to not post this unicorn cooler and insult me instead, of course because we all know typing 3 words is easier than 30 Coolers don't have a single parameter that defines how much power they can dissipate. I could dissipate 1000W from a stock Intel CPU cooler with a little airflow, depending on parameters. Most mining ASICs are designed to run pretty hot and acoustics are much less important than they are in a desktop computer. I can't speak from experience with the RB chips in particular, but with a flip chip package it's absolutely possible to dissipate 300W of heat using a relatively inexpensive air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo and a high flow fan. I'd agree about using water cooling though; it does make things easier and isn't much more expensive in low volumes if you keep your eyes open. I just bought six H80i's from Newegg for CDN$284 (about US$255), and you can dissipate 550-600W at the chip (~800W at the wall) if using a high flow fan while keeping die temps at or under 100C. The parameters that define how much a heat a cooler can dissipate are the ambient room temperatures, amount of surface area on heatsink, the metals used, the type of contact of these metals, and the ability to move air through that cooler to dissipate the heat. There is a reason two coolers with the same surface area and different amount of heatpipes can perform different than each other. Also, those numbers you pulled can easily be thrown away by searching for proper reviews done on the internet by credited and reputable people such as http://martinsliquidlab.org/
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The parameters that define how much a heat a cooler can dissipate are the ambient room temperatures, amount of surface area on heatsink, the metals used, the type of contact of these metals, and the ability to move air through that cooler to dissipate the heat. There is a reason two coolers with the same surface area and different amount of heatpipes can perform different than each other. Also, those numbers you pulled can easily be thrown away by searching for proper reviews done on the internet by credited and reputable people such as http://martinsliquidlab.org/They not number I pulled, they're numbers I've personally tested on equipment I own. For instance, this is a stock Hyper 212 Evo keeping a Habanero under 90C while dissipating ~180W through the chip. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=519943.msg6714539#msg6714539Using a 200+CFM server fan, I've pushed over 350W at the wall (closer to 300W at the chip) with the same cooler. I have some Habaneros pushing 600W into the chip running a single H80i with a 240CFM fan.
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The parameters that define how much a heat a cooler can dissipate are the ambient room temperatures, amount of surface area on heatsink, the metals used, the type of contact of these metals, and the ability to move air through that cooler to dissipate the heat. There is a reason two coolers with the same surface area and different amount of heatpipes can perform different than each other. Also, those numbers you pulled can easily be thrown away by searching for proper reviews done on the internet by credited and reputable people such as http://martinsliquidlab.org/They not number I pulled, they're numbers I've personally tested on equipment I own. For instance, this is a stock Hyper 212 Evo keeping a Habanero under 90C while dissipating ~180W through the chip. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=519943.msg6714539#msg6714539Using a 200+CFM server fan, I've pushed over 350W at the wall (closer to 300W at the chip) with the same cooler. I have some Habaneros pushing 600W into the chip running a single H80i with a 240CFM fan. This is what I mentioned in previous posts. A stock high end cooler and the same high end cooler with 5000rpm fans are not the same things. Also, as an example a cooler has one heatpipe with 8 fins on it, regardless of a 100CFM or 1000CFM fan there is only so much heat that can be dissipated. Now for a well designed cooler than can take advantage of how it's actual design, you can obviously get more cooling potential out of it. I'm sure you can agree on this as you are reiterating the points I previously made
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Martin,
What's the estimated sale date of these boards?
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Martin,
What's the estimated sale date of these boards?
Hi, I'm Vesi from technobit. Martin is not able to answer you here for some time. So I'll try: The first pre-production run of about 10 boards will be ready hopefully next week. We are going to test it for a week or so . So these will be put in sales next week with shipment date withing 2 weeks. Right after that there will be first full production batch for sale This is all the info I have Best Vesi
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October 02, 2014, 01:50:06 PM |
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Hello Vesi,
Thank you for the info. Not bad for trying, ha.
Sorry to hear Martin won't be in forums for a while.
Could you do me one more favor please,
What's the power draw to GH/s comparison between the 3 box solutions?
Hex4rb (?)
4Hex16e (600 GH/s)
2Hex4RM (800 GH/s)
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watching this thread with alot of interest i need some miners and have 5.5btc burning a hole in my wallet.
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October 02, 2014, 09:12:38 PM |
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Martin,
What's the estimated sale date of these boards?
Hi, I'm Vesi from technobit. Martin is not able to answer you here for some time. So I'll try: The first pre-production run of about 10 boards will be ready hopefully next week. We are going to test it for a week or so . So these will be put in sales next week with shipment date withing 2 weeks. Right after that there will be first full production batch for sale This is all the info I have Best Vesi Zdrasti Vesi... Welcome HOME... ZiG
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HI, Well thank you ZiG for the kind words. as they say "дoбpe зaвapили "
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What settings should we be using for the Rockerbox in the tplink?
I've got my Rockerbox running, but am only getting about 350 GH/s. I am using all of the default settings in cgminer.
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What settings should we be using for the Rockerbox in the tplink?
I've got my Rockerbox running, but am only getting about 350 GH/s. I am using all of the default settings in cgminer.
x4RB Chip Count - 4 Hex4RB Chip Frequency - 800 Hex4RB Chip Core Voltage - 740 Hex4RB pic work roll - 63 Hex4RB Enable or Disable - 255 Hex4RB ASIC difficulty - 16
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