Sanctions against Russia spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US - Sanctions be good

[Nemo1024]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

That is exactly what they are doing. They are supplying money, training, and weapons to the seperasts. They are not admitting to doing this, but it is well known that they are.

I beg to differ. Even if Russia helps the freedom fighters, which is nothing but speculation, they are helping Russians living on the land that was exclusively a part of Russia prior to 1917 and wasn't technically another country until 1992, to defend themselves from an invasion, with the residents of said land voting at a referendum of 1993 against split of USSR and being split from Russia, and again during a referendum of 2014 voting for independence. That's not "the other side of the world", as done by another country that we all know of. This is a big difference.

Is AK-47 intellectually protected?

Who is gaining the most? Russian IP or American weapon manufacturer?

It's not intellecually protected as far as I know, the gun originates from communistic times, 1948,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

It all depends if IzhMash factory took a copyright on it. I cannot find any info about it.
Here is the factory's website. The US embargo is basically targeting this factory:
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/trade/

[LostDutchman]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

That is exactly what they are doing. They are supplying money, training, and weapons to the seperasts. They are not admitting to doing this, but it is well known that they are.

I beg to differ. Even if Russia helps the freedom fighters, which is nothing but speculation, they are helping Russians living on the land that was exclusively a part of Russia prior to 1917 and wasn't technically another country until 1992, to defend themselves from an invasion, with the residents of said land voting at a referendum of 1993 against split of USSR and being split from Russia, and again during a referendum of 2014 voting for independence. That's not "the other side of the world", as done by another country that we all know of. This is a big difference.

Is AK-47 intellectually protected?

Who is gaining the most? Russian IP or American weapon manufacturer?

It's not intellecually protected as far as I know, the gun originates from communistic times, 1948,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

It all depends if IzhMash factory took a copyright on it. I cannot find any info about it.
Here is the factory's website. The US embargo is basically targeting this factory:
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/trade/

That would be a trademark and/or a patent, rather than a copyright and no, the design was never patented and has been in the public domain almost since the beginning.

"3. The inventor of the AK-47 did not profit from the gun. Communist states had no patents, and until its collapse in 1991, Kalashnikov was simply an employee of the Soviet Union."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mikhail-kalashnikov-dead-10-things-2957513

[beetcoin]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

[5dollarbill]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

[beetcoin]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

[i dig bitcoins]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

That was during the cold war...Russia is far smaller and less powerful now to be doing that ( I remember those days as I'm a product of the 80's  .) The US and EU are still gaming
the system to this day.

[Window2Wall]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

one could even make the argument that nuclear weapons has improved world peace for this very reason

[LostDutchman]

You know, this thread was supposed to be about H.Obama's illegal, arbitrary and unjustified executive order and it has now turned into something else entirely.

Why do you guys do that?

Oh, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, H.Obama is now enforcing the terms of international treaties on individaul American citizens who had no vote in the matter.

[gmx95]

Sanctions against Russia spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US
http://rt.com/usa/175652-kalashnikov-sanction-gun-sales/

Russian-made firearms are reportedly flying off the shelves of American gun stores after the United States Treasury Department announced sanctions last week against the maker of the popular AK-47 rifle.

And Russian stocks are up after the European sanctions.

Sanctions be good.  

There was some study done somewhere that any economic sanctions are not effective and in fact have an opposite effect: the country under sanctions starts to develop other sectors of its economy, the countries that impose the sanctions suffer from loss of business, etc. The same is going to happen here.

[beetcoin]

i agree they are out of control, and it's sometimes hard to figure out how bad the US is compared to russians.

At the least Russians are honest, they want to take over someone they do it. They don't play proxy influence wars. Or murder people on other side of the world...

i call bullshit. i wouldn't say russians are more honest than the americans, it's just that they don't have the infrastructure to circumvent shit with a pseudo-democracy.

you do know that russians were highly involved in southeast asia, china, afghanistan, and probably many other countries, right? they were part of the proxy wars too.

I would argue that most modern wars are some form of proxy wars. With the advent of nuclear weapons two countries with nuclear bombs do not want to fight eachother as they would both likely lose (nuclear war).

yes, that's why i said in the "are we going to see WW3 soon?" that it is not likely. no one wants to fight with another developed nation, or one that has nuclear weapons. they'll just do what has been happening - gain resources, make your enemy rely on it, and if they mess with you, sanction their ass. and then fund proxy wars.

one could even make the argument that nuclear weapons has improved world peace for this very reason

yeah, until entire continents get blown up. peace and prosperity for 100 years, and then world annihlation.. is not worth it to me.

[Nemo1024]

Kalashnikov ‘feels sorry’ for sanctions-struck American customers
http://rt.com/usa/176368-kalashnikov-pity-american-customers/

“The present situation has once again proven our guns are highly popular among the Americans and the introduced sanctions go against their interests. Kalashnikov Concern regrets our customers are facing that kind of a problem,” the manufacturer’s press-secretary Ekaterina Boni told Itar-Tass news agency.

[bryant.coleman]

Kalashnikov should tell its customers to purchase their AK-47 from SR 2.0.

I am not sure whether they are available on SR 2.0 or not, but in BMR there was a wide choice of assault rifles and other weapons.

[Spendulus]

You know, this thread was supposed to be about H.Obama's illegal, arbitrary and unjustified executive order and it has now turned into something else entirely.

Why do you guys do that?

Oh, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, H.Obama is now enforcing the terms of international treaties on individaul American citizens who had no vote in the matter.

You know, in the context of sanctions, I have no problem with including a popular export product, the AK47 family of rifles.  They aren't exactly a sole source, those things are made all over the place.  If the ban on Kalishnikov remains in place after the sanctions are lifted, you've got a point.

I'm not even in favor of sanctions and I'm way to the pro gun side, by the way.

[Nemo1024]

I should probably start a separate thread to mock the sanctions... still:

Russia sanctions may hit Finland — president
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743268

Rosneft: EU sanctions on oil equipment are not critical
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/743250

Sanctions against Russia already taking toll on Western businesses — FT
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743245

Ukraine is barking too the tune:
Ukraine plans sanctions on companies with Russian capital — official
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743242

Now that Ukraine shells Russia with artillery even more, Russia clearly need to be put under heavier sanctions for not allowing a full-scale invasion and stubbornly continuing with diplomatic rebukes.

[hologram]

Why don't Kalashnikov sell his gun to Russian citizen ?