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May 30, 2011, 11:45:44 PM
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Here's mine, I'd say it's quite accurate.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.38&soc=-6.97
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June 09, 2011, 01:12:11 PM
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Why not just stop buying the products of disreputable businesses?

while voting with your wallet can work with smaller stores and services
it is (best of the best scenario) equal fight with large companies
300 billions of dollars is spend every year on advertising just in usa
they targeting average joe and it is their well paid job to sell him products no matter what

what consumers can do ie. about monsanto? NOT. A. THING.
i agree it is government fault as lobbyists used it to protect company business,
but nothing less than government can take companies of that size down if they crossing the line
they have billions of dollars to spend to reach their only goal - more profit
and if there is no way to go to bigger profits via legit ways they making new ways with their money or going there anyway

average joe don't give a shit about them monopolizing market, he just want to pay less for his food
he won't do a thing unless there is some shitstorm, and that is usually too late


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June 09, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
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Why not just stop buying the products of disreputable businesses?

while voting with your wallet can work with smaller stores and services
it is (best of the best scenario) equal fight with large companies
300 billions of dollars is spend every year on advertising just in usa
they targeting average joe and it is their well paid job to sell him products no matter what

There is nothing inherently wrong with advertising.  It helps to connect producers and consumers.

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what consumers can do ie. about monsanto? NOT. A. THING.

Wrong.  If properly coordinated, consumers can make an impact.  Just imagine if all that positive energy and momentum from Obama's 2008 election campaign was diverted towards a grass roots strategy to choke the business of whatever his supporters are against (I'm guessing polluters and abusive insurance companies?) instead of through supporting a clunky behemoth that is the top-down monopoly on violence.

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i agree it is government fault as lobbyists used it to protect company business,
but nothing less than government can take companies of that size down if they crossing the line
they have billions of dollars to spend to reach their only goal - more profit
and if there is no way to go to bigger profits via legit ways they making new ways with their money or going there anyway

Monsanto couldn't exist with its size without the help of intellectual property laws.  Patents are the fundamental part of their business model.  From http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/why-does-monsanto-sue-farmers-who-save-seeds.aspx
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Monsanto patents many of the seed varieties we develop. Patents are necessary to ensure that we are paid for our products and for all the investments we put into developing these products

In a free market (that is without intellectual property laws), you would not see these giant top-down vertical behemoth corporations that monopolize entire industries through artificial government protections.

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average joe don't give a shit about them monopolizing market, he just want to pay less for his food
he won't do a thing unless there is some shitstorm, and that is usually too late

No.  Just look at the proliferation of Linux (and open-source software in general), which has basically destroyed Windows' and Apple's domination of the Desktop market.  While it is impossible to say how many people use Linux distros (since there is no reporting mechanism), just take a look at browser usage rates (recorded whenever you browse a website): Internet Explorer - 24.9%, Firefox - 42.4 %, Chrome - 25.9%, Safari - 4.0%.  So in that case alone of internet browser usage, average joes who want to browse free and cheaply, have destroyed Apple's and Window's monopoly.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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June 09, 2011, 03:26:46 PM
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"Average Joe" just started to use Firefox, because the virus IE tends to get. Secondly m4rkiz: due to the shitstorm.
IE market share is lowering, but not Windows, which is still the best thing around to use in a desktop. As for Linux... sorry, pal, but X/Xorg sucks big time. Hardly Linux will make a stand against Windows for as long as it can't deliver any horsepower to match it within the graphical environment.
Apple is a "side-story", it's meant for those sort of exhibitionists that like to pay 2000 USD for an 800 USD PC, being the 1200 USD the price of have an apple printed on it. To not mention Apple has the most insane Fascist-like policies around, if Microsoft did that they would be sued up to Hell, but for Apple users as long as the Apple sticker doesn't fall off, it's ok with them.

Here you've W3C OS stats:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
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June 09, 2011, 04:03:37 PM
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"Average Joe" just started to use Firefox, because the virus IE tends to get.

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As for Linux... sorry, pal, but X/Xorg sucks big time. Hardly Linux will make a stand against Windows for as long as it can't deliver any horsepower to match it within the graphical environment.

You should try Compiz, which uses 3D graphics processor effects ontop of your standard X/Xorg to make some really slick desktop effects.  Much cooler than windows.

Apple is a "side-story", it's meant for those sort of exhibitionists that like to pay 2000 USD for an 800 USD PC, being the 1200 USD the price of have an apple printed on it. To not mention Apple has the most insane Fascist-like policies around, if Microsoft did that they would be sued up to Hell, but for Apple users as long as the Apple sticker doesn't fall off, it's ok with them.

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Wow...that is pretty bad:

Win7    Vista    Win2003   WinXP   Linux    Mac      Mobile
36.5%   7.1%    0.9%    40.7%   5.1%    8.3%    0.8%

But looks like linux has been steadly gaining ground...was about 2% in 2003 and is now past 5%.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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June 09, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
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I think my chart is a better representation.  No test for it though: http://www.thefashionablephilosopher.com/politics/the-philosophers-political-spectrum-chart/

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June 09, 2011, 04:44:57 PM
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Here's mine, I'd say it's quite accurate.




So does that mean you are a socialist? Socialists supporting bitcoins?

I didn't do the test, I just put the graph how it should be for me:



As long as that means full civil and economic liberties.

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June 09, 2011, 05:41:50 PM
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Wrong.  If properly coordinated, consumers can make an impact.  Just imagine if all that positive energy and momentum from Obama's 2008 election campaign was diverted towards a grass roots strategy to choke the business of whatever his supporters are against (I'm guessing polluters and abusive insurance companies?) instead of through supporting a clunky behemoth that is the top-down monopoly on violence.

until you reset they still have money and are extremely well organized

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Monsanto couldn't exist with its size without the help of intellectual property laws.  Patents are the fundamental part of their business model.  

without patents and intellectual property no one will go with coordinated expensive development and testing unless there is quick profit involved

if they can wait for someone and get the results\code\etc. for free there is no point to spend money for it

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In a free market (that is without intellectual property laws), you would not see these giant top-down vertical behemoth corporations that monopolize entire industries through artificial government protections.

but they won't disappear overnight too

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No.  Just look at the proliferation of Linux (and open-source software in general), which has basically destroyed Windows' and Apple's domination of the Desktop market.  While it is impossible to say how many people use Linux distros (since there is no reporting mechanism), just take a look at browser usage rates (recorded whenever you browse a website): Internet Explorer - 24.9%, Firefox - 42.4 %, Chrome - 25.9%, Safari - 4.0%.  So in that case alone of internet browser usage, average joes who want to browse free and cheaply, have destroyed Apple's and Window's monopoly.

there is os stated in useragent, windows is still installed on more than ~85% of desktops
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June 09, 2011, 06:01:59 PM
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Wrong.  If properly coordinated, consumers can make an impact.  Just imagine if all that positive energy and momentum from Obama's 2008 election campaign was diverted towards a grass roots strategy to choke the business of whatever his supporters are against (I'm guessing polluters and abusive insurance companies?) instead of through supporting a clunky behemoth that is the top-down monopoly on violence.

until you reset they still have money and are extremely well organized

Ok, so be organized about it.  And pool your money together.

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Monsanto couldn't exist with its size without the help of intellectual property laws.  Patents are the fundamental part of their business model.  

without patents and intellectual property no one will go with coordinated expensive development and testing unless there is quick profit involved

if they can wait for someone and get the results\code\etc. for free there is no point to spend money for it

False.  Just look at the Linux and all open-source projects out there.  Proves that you don't need IP in order to coordinate expensive development and testing.

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In a free market (that is without intellectual property laws), you would not see these giant top-down vertical behemoth corporations that monopolize entire industries through artificial government protections.

but they won't disappear overnight too

Not necessarily disappear overnight, but be relegated as just another struggling dead irrelevant dinosaur.

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No.  Just look at the proliferation of Linux (and open-source software in general), which has basically destroyed Windows' and Apple's domination of the Desktop market.  While it is impossible to say how many people use Linux distros (since there is no reporting mechanism), just take a look at browser usage rates (recorded whenever you browse a website): Internet Explorer - 24.9%, Firefox - 42.4 %, Chrome - 25.9%, Safari - 4.0%.  So in that case alone of internet browser usage, average joes who want to browse free and cheaply, have destroyed Apple's and Window's monopoly.

there is os stated in useragent, windows is still installed on more than ~85% of desktops

That's windows+apple.  Most of those windows are pirated or free versions anyways.  Anyway, everyone still uses open-sources alternatives for most of their daily programs, without even realizing it.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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June 09, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
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Ok, so be organized about it.  And pool your money together.

they are already organized and already have funds, that can be done against one or two companies, but you can't do that to all of wrongdoers

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False.  Just look at the Linux and all open-source projects out there.  Proves that you don't need IP in order to coordinate expensive development and testing.

it still loses big time if you compare it to other systems & that is only some coding done in spare time with no real deadlines

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Not necessarily disappear overnight, but be relegated as just another struggling dead irrelevant dinosaur.

or just may start to play dirtier

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That's windows+apple.

no, ms + apple has more than 95% total

linux has less than 2%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

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Most of those windows are pirated or free versions anyways.

not important why or for how much, they using it over alternatives that they did not know about

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Anyway, everyone still uses open-sources alternatives for most of their daily programs, without even realizing it.

my point exactly, average user don't know what is good or better for him

it is not important if that happened because of 300 bln usd on advertising or because he don't have knowledge of what is going behind the scene

there is plenty of dirty tricks that both apple (tn panels instead of ips, cracking screens, broken antennas etc.) and microsoft (that list would be quite long, including things that are not fixed for years even that they are informed about it, broken wga) getting away with every year, and still worst that can happen is some class action lawsuit that ends with some laughable compensations,
even when they knowingly selling crap

and those two still control 95% of all desktop operation systems

there must be fail-safe to shoot down companies that gown too big and starting scamming people
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June 09, 2011, 08:03:08 PM
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Linux has a shitload of gizmos, but still not match Windows for desktop user. Stop claiming "the user doesn't know what is good for him", he knows... he just wants something that works, Windows does / Linux doesn't. Even within the OS alternative software, it tends to be better on the Windows port than Linux.
Linux, to desktop, is an evolution fiasco; too much versions and updates, support fades as they change main version... unstable and too heavy in graphical environment (it doesn't matter if you can play around with the GUI... that sounds pretty much as fun as touchscreen; cool for the first 2 days, a pain the ass for the rest of the time).

Evolution is what Microsoft did from Vista to 7. 7 can do better using LESS system resources. Do "more" by blasting the machine resources even the lousier coder can do.
Like it uses to say: «evolution is not to create a 500hP car that runs at 250 mph, evolution is to create a 100hP car that runs at that same speed»

Where Linux is good, server side, it has 95% share...
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June 09, 2011, 08:36:35 PM
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average user need some office suite (even that he will use less than 10% features), some way to put mp3 on ipod, share pictures from camera and web browser

and all that can be achieved for free
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June 09, 2011, 08:42:27 PM
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average user need some office suite (even that he will use less than 10% features), some way to put mp3 on ipod, share pictures from camera and web browser

and all that can be achieved for free

So the whole point of "Free Software" is "Free" as in "Free lunch"...
Also that "for free" come with a load of nags, MP3 on some distros doesn't play, Linux players requires more resources; try to see a movie encoded on the edge of your machine's capacities in Windows, then in the same machine try with Linux... good luck (you'll need it).
Unless you want to expend a graphical card suitable to play the latest top game in Windows just for can watch a movie with Linux (so long for the "free"...).

Also the (average) user may or may not want that, he may want to produce and edit a video to youtube, edit music he records... why should he resume to "use office and see some pics"?!
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June 09, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
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Here is mine Smiley
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June 12, 2011, 06:43:36 AM
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Politics is obsolete.

Bitcoin combines money, the wrongest thing in the world, with software, the easiest thing in the world to get wrong.
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June 12, 2011, 09:56:23 AM
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